I've gotten 5 jabs over the course of the pandemic.I understand the recalcitrance of some people who are wary(it's not like pharma has a sterling history).My main reasoning was that the shots were probably safe and I rolled up my sleeve. My primary concern was not to transmit the disease to someone who'd end up in a life/death battle rather than my own concern for being infected. I just say to those who resist vaccination is consider those around you that are dear to you and whose heath is not stellar,would you want to be the ONE who brings potential death to their door?. I don't know where your at on this but I don't need that scenario playing out in my mind to add to the FK'd up times we're now navigating.So I've decided to error on the side of caution and concern.
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PJ Diaz
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Show me where it says that vaccination only gives better protection compared to immunity from a previous infection. You are comparing vaccination plus infection to infection only. You seem to be harping upon something which I never claimed, and I was clear that I did not claim it upon your initial examination.
You seem to have refused to answer my inquiry as to how often you believe that folks should get boosted. Your unwillingness to provide a simple answer to a basic question is suspect.
PJ Diaz
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Dude, I know A LOT of people who were vaccinated, boosted, whatever, and still got covid to the same degree as unvaccinated people I know. Your reasoning, while seemingly noble, doesn't necessarily have the effect that you are hoping for. The vaccine manufactures never tested to see if their vaccine prevents transmission or not. I knew this early on. The vaccine is only supposed to reduce the clinical symptoms associated with covid-19, not prevent transmission or contraction.
CANON_Grow
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I am not harping on anything, simply pushing back on the implication that having had covid negates the need for vaccination. It's not what you said, it's what you didn't say that causes me concern for other people reading this thread; it should be made clear so that people don't believe in covid parties to gain natural immunity or some other crazy idea's.
Folks should get boosted based on the advice of medical experts that are familiar with that persons personal health situation. I'm not qualified to make blanket statements beyond that, which I have tried to convey at every appropriate opportunity.
PJ Diaz
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Wow, you can't even answer a simple question as to how often people should get boosted? This should be a very easy answer. I think we both know why you don't want to answer though.
CANON_Grow
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LOL, I would agree that we both know why....it's right there in that post!
PJ Diaz
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No, it's between the lines, pretty clearly. I'm curious.. You haven't asked your doctor when to get your next booster?
PJ Diaz
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This article pretty clearly states that the vaccine wanes after 3 months, so wouldn't you want to get reboosted every 3 or 4 months to maintain top immunity, if it's totally safe and effective?
COVID-19 Vaccine Protection Against Hospitalization Wanes
Kaiser Permanente finds the Pfizer COVID-19 third dose vaccine protection against hospitalization from omicron wanes after 3 months.
about.kaiserpermanente.org
CANON_Grow
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I corresponded with my doctor via email and am following their advice on vaccination. Before saying more I want to point out that the advice I followed was specific to my personal circumstances and everyone should be getting medical advice (edit - MEDICAL ADVICE FROM A MEDICAL DOCTOR) for their own personal circumstances. I received my second booster dose in early December, same time as the flu vaccine. I have no underlying health concerns, am physically fit, and would be in the age range of 40-49. I got the booster because I have a few family members that are immunocompromised, and dealt with a family member that had their cancer diagnosis and treatment delayed when the hospitals did not have the capacity because of COVID patients. I didn't want to have it weighing on my conscience if one of those family members ended up sick with COVID knowing I didn't do everything I can control. I have two kids in elementary/primary school, and my wife and I discussed vaccinations with them and they chose to get vaccinated, but we decided against getting them booster doses.
Waning after 3 months is for immunocompromised individuals, pulled from that article:This article pretty clearly states that the vaccine wanes after 3 months, so wouldn't you want to get reboosted every 3 or 4 months to maintain top immunity, if it's totally safe and effective?
COVID-19 Vaccine Protection Against Hospitalization Wanes
Kaiser Permanente finds the Pfizer COVID-19 third dose vaccine protection against hospitalization from omicron wanes after 3 months.about.kaiserpermanente.org
“Pfizer BioNTech COVID-19 booster doses significantly improve protection against omicron, although while that protection stays high for immunocompetent patients, it seems to wane for immunocompromised patients after 3 months against emergency room visits, and even for hospitalization,”
After 3 doses in immunocompetent individuals, effectiveness against omicron-related hospitalization was 83% at less than 3 months and stayed high at 79% at 3 months or longer.
Against emergency department visits that did not result in hospitalization, protection was high and stayed high for immunocompetent individuals (approximately 78%), but remained at suboptimal levels in immunocompromised individuals (approximately 50%).
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Skillcraft
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Me and my wife are unvaccinated and both got COVID last month and it wasn't any worse than a case of the flue that lasted about 5 days then we were fine. Does that mean I have a lesser chance of getting it again since we are not vaccinated?
CANON_Grow
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No, no it does not.
PJ Diaz
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The only reason they mention that in the article is because they are cross referencing two different studies, one related to immunocompromised people, and also this one: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanres/article/PIIS2213-2600(22)00101-1/fulltext
Both studies show the vaccine waning after 3-months for people in each study.
Also, I noticed in your answer that you intentionally failed to answer the question, while giving a lot of other irrelevant info. I find it funny that you can't just answer how often people need boosters.
Skillcraft
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I just don't see the reason for the big push for people to get vaccinated.
PJ Diaz
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You and your wife will have some natural immunity as a result of infection, which will indeed give you a lesser chance of getting it again, despite not being vaccinated.
PJ Diaz
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Our family got it in November. It wasn't the worst cold I've ever had.
Skillcraft
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For the wife and I it was a like a mild case of the flu. Really wasn't that bad.
CANON_Grow
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You asked: "No, it's between the lines, pretty clearly. I'm curious.. You haven't asked your doctor when to get your next booster?"
I answered: "I corresponded with my doctor via email and am following their advice on vaccination."
The other info is not irrelevant, it speaks directly to what I have repeatedly said, there is no blanket statement that can be made on when booster doses should be administered - it is entirely specific to each individual and their own specific circumstances. I don't know why you are so worried about when people need boosters, it's fascinatingly strange. Love the articles though, not sure why you keep posting ones that counter what you are trying to say, but it's good reading.
I'm out for now, be well - stay safe - go get vaccinated for your own sake.
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CANON_Grow
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Skillcraft
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The flu kills tens of thousands each year. The only difference is COVID is more contagious in my opinion.
CANON_Grow
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According to the CDC:
So to have 1.11M deaths in three years since COVID has been around, not including the other deaths that were not COVID related but may have been prevented when hospitals were beyond capacity - your opinion does not accurately reflect reality.
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