Lockdowns didn't work.

cannabineer

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schuylaar said:
It's the selectivity..no one knows what's in a mods mind..personally, I'd like to see true debate rules posted and adhered to so that you have a reference point. Selectivity is a Rightie thing.

Debate: Argue about especially in formal manner.
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That enjoins everyone to rely on sound logic. Good luck with that.
 
HGCC

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Sometimes the discussion is pointless and you should just move on. Not sure of the right term, but there's an argument tactic of just muddying the waters and continually sidetracking the conversation to prevent it from going forward when you don't have a point. It's like trying to talk about school/mass shootings and people keep interjecting about calibers, definitions, etc. It's nonsense shit designed to keep the topic at a standstill. There isn't a debate to be won. You just kick those unproductive people out of the conversation. This isn't a family member you're trying hard to get along with, so you let them have their stupid say or try and reach a common ground. Tough shit for that 3% that hold whatever view, they were offered the opportunity for input and opted to not make use of it, so the 97% should just do what they do.
 
cannabineer

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HGCC said:
Sometimes the discussion is pointless and you should just move on. Not sure of the right term, but there's an argument tactic of just muddying the waters and continually sidetracking the conversation to prevent it from going forward when you don't have a point. It's like trying to talk about school/mass shootings and people keep interjecting about calibers, definitions, etc. It's nonsense shit designed to keep the topic at a standstill. There isn't a debate to be won. You just kick those unproductive people out of the conversation. This isn't a family member you're trying hard to get along with, so you let them have their stupid say or try and reach a common ground. Tough shit for that 3% that hold whatever view, they were offered the opportunity for input and opted to not make use of it, so the 97% should just do what they do.
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A red herring is derailing the debate with irrelevant issues or information. Is that the one? Also called ignoratio elenchi or a straw man. We have a few power users of this fallacy.

Ignoratio Elenchi (Irrelevant Conclusion); Straw Man; Red Herring; Non Sequitur

Ignoratio Elenchi is the fallacy of reaching an irrelevant conclusion by attempting to prove a conclusion not evidentially pertinent and different from that which was intended or required
philosophy.lander.edu philosophy.lander.edu

But, considering where we are, it’s perhaps wise to treat us regulars as having the attention span of a cat on espresso.
 
Fogdog

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Wattzzup said:
First of all, did America ever even lock down? “Essential” even construction workers were allowed to keep working. So did we even lock down? :wall:
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Commerce in my town virtually went to zero for a few months. So, not everybody stayed home but practically everybody did. It's like the difference between not buying a lottery ticket and buying one. If I don't buy one, I have literally no chance at winning the lottery. If I buy one, I have virtually no chance at winning. We were in virtual lockdown, not absolute. Covid didn't start spreading much in Oregon until June, 2020, when people started opening up.

But we couldn't keep it up. At least not most. I did. For all intents and purposes, I still am in lockdown, going on three years now. I also haven't contracted the virus, so there is that. But I can't stay in this mode much longer. In March, I plan to start doing things that are necessary to maintain my health, like going to our athletic center for workouts and participating in activities with rafting and dive clubs. Barring my time working out at the health club, I'll still wear a KN-95 mask when in closed spaces with people outside my bubble and don't know if I'm going to dine inside restaurants. But I feel like I'm waving the white flag at Covid.
 
cannabineer

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Fogdog said:
Commerce in my town virtually went to zero for a few months. So, not everybody stayed home but practically everybody did. It's like the difference between not buying a lottery ticket and buying one. If I don't buy one, I have literally no chance at winning the lottery. If I buy one, I have virtually no chance at winning. We were in virtual lockdown, not absolute. Covid didn't start spreading much in Oregon until June, 2020, when people started opening up.

But we couldn't keep it up. At least not most. I did. For all intents and purposes, I still am in lockdown, going on three years now. I also haven't contracted the virus, so there is that. But I can't stay in this mode much longer. In March, I plan to start doing things that are necessary to maintain my health, like going to our athletic center for workouts and participating in activities with rafting and dive clubs. Barring my time working out at the health club, I'll still wear a KN-95 mask when in closed spaces with people outside my bubble and don't know if I'm going to dine inside restaurants. But I feel like I'm waving the white flag at Covid.
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Not only do we have immune-evasive new scrabble variants, but there are nasty flu and rsv cultivars keeping healthcare providers busier than a one-armed paperhanger. Declaring the pandemic over is politics despite epidemiology. I refuse to yield to pandemic fatigue when my carelessness could put me in some casualty’s infection “genealogy”.
 
PadawanWarrior

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Fogdog said:
Commerce in my town virtually went to zero for a few months. So, not everybody stayed home but practically everybody did. It's like the difference between not buying a lottery ticket and buying one. If I don't buy one, I have literally no chance at winning the lottery. If I buy one, I have virtually no chance at winning. We were in virtual lockdown, not absolute. Covid didn't start spreading much in Oregon until June, 2020, when people started opening up.

But we couldn't keep it up. At least not most. I did. For all intents and purposes, I still am in lockdown, going on three years now. I also haven't contracted the virus, so there is that. But I can't stay in this mode much longer. In March, I plan to start doing things that are necessary to maintain my health, like going to our athletic center for workouts and participating in activities with rafting and dive clubs. Barring my time working out at the health club, I'll still wear a KN-95 mask when in closed spaces with people outside my bubble and don't know if I'm going to dine inside restaurants. But I feel like I'm waving the white flag at Covid.
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Crazy man. I don't know how you can't do it. I was more cautious at the beginning. But everything has back to normal for me for the last couple years. People use to give dirty looks to people that didn't wear a mask, but not anymore.

I've got no issues with people wearing them though if they want. Some people probably should, but I'll take my chances. And I wasn't a fan of the lockdowns anyways, especially with schools.
 
Budley Doright

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cannabineer said:
Not only do we have immune-evasive new scrabble variants, but there are nasty flu and rsv cultivars keeping healthcare providers busier than a one-armed paperhanger. Declaring the pandemic over is politics despite epidemiology. I refuse to yield to pandemic fatigue when my carelessness could put me in some casualty’s infection “genealogy”.
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I waved the flag a year ago when everyone (most) stopped masking. My partner is a stylist and very few wear masks (she still wears it as does my stepdaughter). I figured it was inevitable that I would catch it but nothing yet even though the stepdaughter had it. It’s a crazy weird thing how it misses some. I don’t like people much so avoid them unless needed lol.
 
Budley Doright

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PadawanWarrior said:
Crazy man. I don't know how you can't do it. I was more cautious at the beginning. But everything has back to normal for me for the last couple years. People use to give dirty looks to people that didn't wear a mask, but not anymore.

I've got no issues with people wearing them though if they want. Some people probably should, but I'll take my chances. And I wasn't a fan of the lockdowns anyways, especially with schools.
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Well the mask is more of a passive protector of the people around you. We probably all should but we don’t, just say’n.
 
Fogdog

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PadawanWarrior said:
Crazy man. I don't know how you can't do it. I was more cautious at the beginning. But everything has back to normal for me for the last couple years. People use to give dirty looks to people that didn't wear a mask, but not anymore.

I've got no issues with people wearing them though if they want. Some people probably should, but I'll take my chances. And I wasn't a fan of the lockdowns anyways, especially with schools.
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I'm primary care giver to my mother, or was. She passed away not long ago, and so did my mother in law, my wife was taking care of her. We couldn't chance contracting Covid and passing it on to them. The last thing I wanted was to be the one who gave it to my MIL. It's been a year since she moved on but we've made our little bubble comfortable so, it's not so bad. Our two sons moved out and are in college now, so it's just me and my wife. We decided to stick it out through this winter and re-evaluate in the spring but I think it's time to get my life back to the things I like to do.

I'm conflicted about some of the things that happened at the worst of the epidemic. But it's time to just say fuck it and let it go.

I'll still wear a mask when out in public and at work. I don't care if others don't.

Budley Doright said:
Well the mask is more of a passive protector of the people around you. We probably all should but we don’t, just say’n.
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N95 masks are effective at protecting the wearer. It has to fit but it's effective when worn properly and consistently.
 
PadawanWarrior

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Fogdog said:
I'm primary care giver to my mother, or was. She passed away not long ago, and so did my mother in law, my wife was taking care of her. We couldn't chance contracting Covid and passing it on to them. The last thing I wanted was to be the one who gave it to my MIL. It's been a year since she moved on but we've made our little bubble comfortable so, it's not so bad. Our two sons moved out and are in college now, so it's just me and my wife. We decided to stick it out through this winter and re-evaluate in the spring but I think it's time to get my life back to the things I like to do.

I'm conflicted about some of the things that happened at the worst of the epidemic. But it's time to just say fuck it and let it go.

I'll still wear a mask when out in public and at work. I don't care if others don't.



N95 masks are effective at protecting the wearer. It has to fit but it's effective when worn properly and consistently.
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Ya man. I say you gotta live. Life is full of risks. And even without taking chances shit happens sometimes. Like all the poor kids that get cancer. Anything can happen and I would rather live a shorter happier life than a longer less happy one. But that makes a lot of sense if you were caring for people that weren't in the best health. That's commendable, :bigjoint:
 
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