Trump Announces Presidential Campaign 2024

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Fogdog

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PopAndSonGrows said:
Ehh, i credit Zalenskyy for rallying thr World behind Ukraine. Joe sent him some bullets, sure, but in no way did Biden rally the World. Zalenskyy did that. That list is fluffed.
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That's a very simple analysis. As if a single factor accounts for all of the results.. Zelensky and Ukraine are doing amazingly well with support from the west that began with Biden's leadership from the US. But also UK and EU are critical. It's a coalition. Sanctions and military aid make Ukraine's sacrifices on the battlefield enough to staunch Russia's invasion.

Zelensky is one of the key factors that stopped Putin. His decision to stay in Kyiv after being offered a flight out was a rallying point. I'm not saying you are wrong, just not very right.

If Trump had been president, Ukraine would have been alone and defenseless. Same if EU opted out of sanctions against Russia. As I said. Take one factor out and it all fails.
 
PopAndSonGrows

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Fogdog said:
That's a very simple analysis. As if a single factor accounts for all of the results.. Zelensky and Ukraine are doing amazingly well with support from the west that began with Biden's leadership from the US. But also UK and EU are critical. It's a coalition. Sanctions and military aid make Ukraine's sacrifices on the battlefield enough to staunch Russia's invasion.

Zelensky is one of the key factors that stopped Putin. His decision to stay in Kyiv after being offered a flight out was a rallying point. I'm not saying you are wrong, just not very right.

If Trump had been president, Ukraine would have been alone and defenseless. Same if EU opted out of sanctions against Russia. As I said. Take one factor out and it all fails.
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The quote was "rallied the World", my contention is that Zelenskyy did that, not Biden. You're straying.
 
cannabineer

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DIY-HP-LED said:
Yep, Trump sort of leveled the playing field for the democrats, but couldn't overcome gerrymandering, they would probably need 10% more of the national vote to break even. Trump gave the democrats the senate and that's for 6 years, time for some demographic and generational change to take hold in their states, 3 election cycles. America has minority rule, from gerrymandering in the house to the senate representing geography not people and the electoral college for POTUS, all allow for minority rule. If America was more of a democracy, it would have moved into the future and out of the past long ago, even with a large majority of whites voting republican.
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Two years. About one-third of Senate seats are up each time.
 
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PopAndSonGrows

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xtsho said:
If it hadn't been for Biden and the rapid response in sending advanced weapons to Ukraine there would be Russian tanks in Kyiv right now.
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Social media did more for Ukraine than Biden did. Not saying Biden did nothing, he has helped, but he is NOT responsible for rallying "the World", again I say that's Zelenskyy's doing
 
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GOP megadonor no longer supporting Trump
A GOP mega-donor said that he would no longer support former President Trump after his announcement of a third presidential bid in 2024 on Tuesday night.

Stephen Schwarzman, the CEO and co-founder of the investment firm Blackstone, told Axios in a statement that the Republican Party should nominate someone else who will represent a new generation of leaders.

“America does better when its leaders are rooted in today and tomorrow, not today and yesterday,” he said.
“It is time for the Republican Party to turn to a new generation of leaders and I intend to support one of them in the presidential primaries,” he continued.

Schwarzman had been closely engaged with Trump on trade issues and had considerable influence in the Trump administration, Axios’s Jonathan Swan reported.

Schwarzman is the second major Republican donor to announce he would not support Trump in the past two days.
Ken Griffin, the founder of the investment firm Citadel, said on Tuesday at Bloomberg’s New Economy Forum in Singapore that Trump is a “three-time loser” who should step aside in the 2024 race.

Axios reported that the donors’ announcements could give more cover for elected Republicans to break with the former president.

Trump has received blame for the GOP’s performance in last week’s midterms, in which the party failed to win a majority in the Senate and is likely to only win narrow control of the House.

Polls have shown Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis (R), who has been rumored to be considering a run for president and is seen as the top alternative to Trump, making gains on the former president in hypothetical 2024 primary matchups in the past week.

Some Republican officials including former Trump adviser Larry Kudlow called the former president to delay his 2024 announcement for fear that it would negatively impact the Georgia Senate runoff between Sen. Raphael Warnock (D-Ga.) and Republican Herschel Walker.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3738002-gop-megadonor-no-longer-supporting-trump/
 
xtsho

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PopAndSonGrows said:
Social media did more for Ukraine than Biden did. Not saying Biden did nothing, he has helped, but he is NOT responsible for rallying "the World", again I say that's Zelenskyy's doing
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The thing that stopped the Russians was weapons and defense systems. Rallies held around the world didn't stop anything.

It's also not just US weapons it's the US Military providing intelligence and strategic planning. The Ukrainians didn't have an army capable of planning the offensive operations they've launched. That has US military advisors all over it.

The world rallying around Ukraine made for nice television but the actual work was being done behind the scenes with little fanfare. That's what halted the Russians in their tracks and is driving them out of Ukraine.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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xtsho said:
If it hadn't been for Biden and the rapid response in sending advanced weapons to Ukraine there would be Russian tanks in Kyiv right now.
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They played Vlad after they blunted his attack and drove him back from Kyiv, they gave the Ukrainians tailored arms packages, just in time for each phase of the war, using up all the Soviet stuff laying around first. They made him think he could win and ended up sucking his entire army into the cauldron, all the while not spooking him into running or using nukes. The war needed to be long enough to break Europe's dependency on Russian energy, break their economy and keep sanctions on until Vlad is gone too. Vlad could leave Ukraine any time and have peace, that is the cornered rat's way out, but hubris and his own survival prevents it.
 
Offmymeds

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PopAndSonGrows said:
Ehh, i credit Zalenskyy for rallying thr World behind Ukraine. Joe sent him some bullets, sure, but in no way did Biden rally the World. Zalenskyy did that. That list is fluffed.
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Are you kidding? Biden has so far prevented a nuclear war by leading the charge and aligning NATO allies that FPOTUS had totally alienated. FPOTUS was ready to kill NATO. POTUS strengthened NATO after a disastrous transactional foreign policy and secured funding for the war to preserve democracy. He did it despite knowing it could cost him politically but it was\is the right thing to do.
 
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Sativied said:
Yes that’s some of the many reasons why I said things changed and I wouldn’t bet on Trump winning. But then, what you mention are facts and facts aren’t major obstacles for magats or for the gop to survive enough to do damage.
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He has his 30% and he always will. Independents and many other Republicans have moved on and they are aware of the facts. He will very likely get primaried.
 
DIY-HP-LED

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ec121 said:
He has his 30% and he always will. Independents and many other Republicans have moved on and they are aware of the facts. He will very likely get primaried.
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He will very likely be indicted soon and be removed from the scene like God himself stomped on him. That is unfortunate, because it would force a civil war inside the GOP with gore ankle deep ending with Trump walking his base out of the party to form the Sucker's party and crippling the GOP while destroying their "brand" with a generation. People forgive mistakes much more readily than moral failures, once someone steals from you it is hard to ever trust them again.
 
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HGCC said:
Oh he could fully and easily win the primaries, he still pulls enough of the republican base along with him that he is strong there. Of course he could win in the general election, pulled it off before, but I think the chances of that happening would be much much lower this go around. In 2016 he had lots of generic republican support as he was an unknown quantity. That isn't the case anymore. There are a bunch of people here who voted for him in 2016 but they are now loud critics. He has transformed the party, pushing out moderates and bringing in extremists. While that has solidified his place within that group, it's a group that is bound to fail and shrink, they can't grow their numbers going further to the right as they are up against that boundary all the time and it keeps moderates out.

However...yeah, stranger things have happened. Not to be a conspiracy theorist, but Trump was talking about shit being rigged in 2016, I'm not convinced he didn't cheat then, he has a terrible problem with projection. The stories about trying to gain access to voting machines in 2020 make me think it isnt the first time.

*it actually makes a lot of sense why he won in 2016.
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He was alone during the announcement at his country club...the kiss of death..no family, friends or aides..did anyone see the audience?

He's not King Of Con for nothing.
 
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