GangaDownUnder
Well-Known Member
What am I missing when it comes to Grove Bags?
I will quickly say that I've never used them, but I did recently buy some that will be putting to the test in a few weeks.
Anyways, it seems the big marketing claims that eveyone is talking about on the forums and such is the fact that they don't need to be burped because of their patented "Terploc" technology that regulates the humidity and oxygen blah blah.
But this is where they've already lost me.
The whole point of burping was, to me, because nobody has moisture probes, we needed to slow the dry down for the last few percent to avoid overdrying and get a more even moisture distribution. Because it would be hard to go straight to that 60% required in one go without a perfect slow dry and the use of moisture probes. So we dry to say under 70% and then jar it with a cheap atmospheric humidity decector inside, burping until we slowy get to 60%.
Ummm, so how is that any different to Grove Bags?
The buds need to be at 60% moisture in order to seal the Grove Bags in the first place...so yeah obviously Grove Bags dont need to be burped. But then of course you'll need moisture probes to be able to determine that moisture content. But nobody has them, right? Right. So as Grove says on their website, "if you think the cannabis is too wet still burp it in the bag for 3-4 days" and then seal the bag.
So they DO need to be burped exactly the same as a mason jar unless you've got the moisture probes! But if you've got the moisture probes, then why couldn't I just dry them to 60% and go straight to the mason jars...and like magic I've invented "burp-less mason jars with patented TerpKeep technology" according to Grove Bags logic.
So yeah the whole "doesn't need to be burped" thing is completely wrong it seems. And there goes one of the reasons, if not the only major reason (for me), to use them.
They claim that their TerpLoc technology creates "The perfect cannabis environment" because of the following properties: Durability, Odour, Oxygen, Anti-Static, Humidity, UV.
Well, that all seems like crap marketing to me as well.
Durability: okay, jars are durable. I'm usuing the same jars I was 10 years ago...no way I could be using these in ten years. So yeah, real durable.
Odour: right well if its sealed then its sealed isnt it and the smell wont get out. I can't smell my buds when they're in a jar either.
Anti-Static: I never had a problem with static and it really wouldn't be a big deal anyways.
Humidity: again, if its sealed then its sealed...so it will maintain the humidity the same as a jar.
UV: this is just irrelevant since I don't think anyone stores their weed in the sun. A jar in the dark will be the same as the bags.
And lastly Oxygen: this is the only one that MIGHT have some merit. But really how much of a problem will oxygen degredation be for the general grower? Maybe if you were storing your weed for years...but a few months aint going to do shit either way.
And then you see shit like the slider comparsion picture they have on their website showing how weed ages in a Grove Bag compared to a regular bag. Even that is low effort marketing bs. I mean, its just the exact same photo that they've opened in photoshop multiple times and made it darker. If it actually worked like that then why not actually do the experiment and take actual photos. Or if you're going to fake it why not move the bag around between shots so it doesn't clearly look like the same picture...making them just seem dishonest.
So yeah I dont know what I'm missing about the Grove Bags, but it all just seems like marketing BS to me. The copious good reviews mean nothing when theres a million and one other products out there that definitively don't and can't work (because physics) and yet they also get good reviews all the time. The placebo can be strong. So reviews are worthless.
As mentioned at the top, I did get some Grove Bags recently that I'll be putting to the test. Just because I don't understand it doesnt mean it doesn't work after all, so I'll try. But I'm not expecting much.
I'm going to do a three way test. Grove Bags versus Mason Jar versus Mylar Bag. All three will be 60% before they get sealed and and then no burping. The mylar bags are pictured below. It should be interesting.
Thoughts?
I will quickly say that I've never used them, but I did recently buy some that will be putting to the test in a few weeks.
Anyways, it seems the big marketing claims that eveyone is talking about on the forums and such is the fact that they don't need to be burped because of their patented "Terploc" technology that regulates the humidity and oxygen blah blah.
But this is where they've already lost me.
The whole point of burping was, to me, because nobody has moisture probes, we needed to slow the dry down for the last few percent to avoid overdrying and get a more even moisture distribution. Because it would be hard to go straight to that 60% required in one go without a perfect slow dry and the use of moisture probes. So we dry to say under 70% and then jar it with a cheap atmospheric humidity decector inside, burping until we slowy get to 60%.
Ummm, so how is that any different to Grove Bags?
The buds need to be at 60% moisture in order to seal the Grove Bags in the first place...so yeah obviously Grove Bags dont need to be burped. But then of course you'll need moisture probes to be able to determine that moisture content. But nobody has them, right? Right. So as Grove says on their website, "if you think the cannabis is too wet still burp it in the bag for 3-4 days" and then seal the bag.
So they DO need to be burped exactly the same as a mason jar unless you've got the moisture probes! But if you've got the moisture probes, then why couldn't I just dry them to 60% and go straight to the mason jars...and like magic I've invented "burp-less mason jars with patented TerpKeep technology" according to Grove Bags logic.
So yeah the whole "doesn't need to be burped" thing is completely wrong it seems. And there goes one of the reasons, if not the only major reason (for me), to use them.
They claim that their TerpLoc technology creates "The perfect cannabis environment" because of the following properties: Durability, Odour, Oxygen, Anti-Static, Humidity, UV.
Well, that all seems like crap marketing to me as well.
Durability: okay, jars are durable. I'm usuing the same jars I was 10 years ago...no way I could be using these in ten years. So yeah, real durable.
Odour: right well if its sealed then its sealed isnt it and the smell wont get out. I can't smell my buds when they're in a jar either.
Anti-Static: I never had a problem with static and it really wouldn't be a big deal anyways.
Humidity: again, if its sealed then its sealed...so it will maintain the humidity the same as a jar.
UV: this is just irrelevant since I don't think anyone stores their weed in the sun. A jar in the dark will be the same as the bags.
And lastly Oxygen: this is the only one that MIGHT have some merit. But really how much of a problem will oxygen degredation be for the general grower? Maybe if you were storing your weed for years...but a few months aint going to do shit either way.
And then you see shit like the slider comparsion picture they have on their website showing how weed ages in a Grove Bag compared to a regular bag. Even that is low effort marketing bs. I mean, its just the exact same photo that they've opened in photoshop multiple times and made it darker. If it actually worked like that then why not actually do the experiment and take actual photos. Or if you're going to fake it why not move the bag around between shots so it doesn't clearly look like the same picture...making them just seem dishonest.
So yeah I dont know what I'm missing about the Grove Bags, but it all just seems like marketing BS to me. The copious good reviews mean nothing when theres a million and one other products out there that definitively don't and can't work (because physics) and yet they also get good reviews all the time. The placebo can be strong. So reviews are worthless.
As mentioned at the top, I did get some Grove Bags recently that I'll be putting to the test. Just because I don't understand it doesnt mean it doesn't work after all, so I'll try. But I'm not expecting much.
I'm going to do a three way test. Grove Bags versus Mason Jar versus Mylar Bag. All three will be 60% before they get sealed and and then no burping. The mylar bags are pictured below. It should be interesting.
Thoughts?
