New mandate for drunk driving detection in all vehicles

cannabineer

cannabineer

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i smoke weed...hard to believe, i know, but there you are...if i smoked weed yesterday, and am not imparied in any way now, how are they supposed to know WHEN i last indulged...and if i live in a place that it's still illegal, as i do...will my car report me to the authorities...i agree with Han, they'll never implement this without years of law suits stopping it from taking effect, and if it does pass the courts, it will be in a drastically altered form
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I’ve been known to partake of Lucifer’s leaf a time or two myself.
From what I read, the proposed system indexes on intoxicated-seeming behaviors.

It’s why “really tired” could matter.

The long-lived metabolite that powers the cannabis drug test should be of no consequence in this case.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Hook Daddy said:
Just curious as to the majority of peoples thoughts on the mandate included in Biden’s Trillion dollar Infrastructure package. It states that all new vehicles, starting sometime later this decade, will have passive drunk or impaired driving detection along with the ability to disable the vehicle. I don’t normally post or comment on political threads but I think things are really getting way out of control.
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I'm on the fence about this. I just want to hear logical arguments from both sides.

 
OldMedUser

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My grandkids, and the generation before them, are growing up in a world where privacy is almost forgotten now.

Doorbell cams that relay everything they see to the cloud so the police get it. Machines that listen to every word in case a question is asked of it. Phones that track your every move or keystroke. CCTV watching everything while you're out and about.

Self driving cars will invade every kind of privacy. I unplugged the GPS tracker in my 2008 Saturn Vue so the OnStar unit doesn't know where I go. Newer cars make disconnecting harder but still doable. Self driving cars won't move without that stuff active.

The devil can't get you if you don't invite him in. :)

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Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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OldMedUser said:
My grandkids, and the generation before them, are growing up in a world where privacy is almost forgotten now.

Doorbell cams that relay everything they see to the cloud so the police get it. Machines that listen to every word in case a question is asked of it. Phones that track your every move or keystroke. CCTV watching everything while you're out and about.

Self driving cars will invade every kind of privacy. I unplugged the GPS tracker in my 2008 Saturn Vue so the OnStar unit doesn't know where I go. Newer cars make disconnecting harder but still doable. Self driving cars won't move without that stuff active.

The devil can't get you if you don't invite him in. :)

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I wear ICP face paint every day because it defeats facial recognition.

The problem is that everybody in town knows me as "that one asshole who wears ICP facepaint every day".

It sucks to be ahead of your time.

 
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1212ham

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Hook Daddy said:
I didn’t say it’s happening, pay attention. I said it’s a mandate that was passed to happen. Try reading the post then bashing.
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You said "Instead they are putting in cameras that constantly watch you and are sent out to be analyzed, and turn off your car if they don’t like what they see."
 
DancesWithWeeds

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OldMedUser said:
My grandkids, and the generation before them, are growing up in a world where privacy is almost forgotten now.

Doorbell cams that relay everything they see to the cloud so the police get it. Machines that listen to every word in case a question is asked of it. Phones that track your every move or keystroke. CCTV watching everything while you're out and about.

Self driving cars will invade every kind of privacy. I unplugged the GPS tracker in my 2008 Saturn Vue so the OnStar unit doesn't know where I go. Newer cars make disconnecting harder but still doable. Self driving cars won't move without that stuff active.

The devil can't get you if you don't invite him in. :)

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Do you remember movie or book "1984"? What more is there to say? That sort of says the whole thing.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Hook Daddy said:
Just curious as to the majority of peoples thoughts on the mandate included in Biden’s Trillion dollar Infrastructure package. It states that all new vehicles, starting sometime later this decade, will have passive drunk or impaired driving detection along with the ability to disable the vehicle. I don’t normally post or comment on political threads but I think things are really getting way out of control.
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Sorry to annoy you to ask for a link that says this? I looked and could only find that the National Transportation Safety Board is recommending that.

It's not necessarily linked to a loss of privacy but more to the nanny state. Or fear of it. Seatbelts were disdained and unused until seatbelt safety laws were regularly enforced. So, yeah, people do shit that causes them and others harm. I don't have a problem with locking out the driver if he/she is drunk. The idea of monitoring air in the cab is dumb, because the driver can be sober and a passenger might be drunk. But you jump from that to a different issue, privacy.

Privacy, or lack of it is a different and, to me, a serious policy issue. Europe has better laws on this than the US does. We aren't even trying. Why is that? It always comes down to how much influence corporations have on lawmakers. There is a bill in congress right now that is not going anywhere,
H.R.5807 — 117th Congress (2021-2022)

Digital Accountability and Transparency to Advance Privacy Act or the DATA Privacy Act

This bill establishes information security requirements for businesses that collect, process, store, or disclose information relating to at least 50,000 people in a 12-month period. The bill applies to information that may be linked to a specific individual or a device associated with a specific individual. It does not cover data related to employment or publicly available government records.

Specifically, covered businesses must

  • provide consumers with accessible notice of the business's privacy practices with respect to such information; and
  • if meeting a certain revenue threshold, appoint a privacy officer to oversee compliance with the business's privacy practices.
The bill further requires the Federal Trade Commission to promulgate rules requiring covered businesses to

  • limit the purpose and amount of consumer data collection to reasonable business purposes, provide consumers with clear methods to opt-in and opt-out of such collection, and refrain from using such data for discriminatory purposes;
  • provide consumers with a method to access, revise, transmit, and delete collected information; and
  • establish information security standards based on the sensitivity and level of identifiability of the collected data, risk of exposure of such data, widely-accepted practices of securing such data, and cost and impact of implementing such practices.
Finally, the bill requires the National Science Foundation, and other agencies, to support research of technology that increases the privacy and confidentiality of collected data.
 
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