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DIY-HP-LED

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It looks so strange seeing these 40+-year-olds on the frontline... usually it is filled with kids.
Usually it's the territorials, generally older guys who carry the phones and make the videos. The younger guys appear to be in the regular army and they are the ones doing most of the advancing and don't carry phones, but sometimes gopros. It's a war of national liberation and for many it has been going on since 2014 in the east, over 400K men went through NATO based training since before this current war, that's aside from the regular army, many have combat experience in Donbas. It is surprising to see a lot of grey beards in this fight, considering the population, but many older fellows realize the gravity of the situation and have sons in the fight too. For awhile they were trying to pay bribes to get into the territorials and I figure the army is picking volunteers based on motivation and there are no shortage of men wanting to volunteer. Moral counts for a lot, the Ukrainians have lot's and the Russians don't have any.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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It would be nice, if on the day Putin went down in Russia, Trump was indicted in America. Maybe they could cut a deal and make them cellmates on an island somewhere...
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Let's talk about Putin and a Swan Lake moment....
 

printer

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makes me wonder how they're getting these cards out.....hmm air drop maybe

There are rockets that get fired toward the Russians with the cards in them.

 

BudmanTX

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Roger A. Shrubber

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It would be nice, if on the day Putin went down in Russia, Trump was indicted in America. Maybe they could cut a deal and make them cellmates on an island somewhere...
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Let's talk about Putin and a Swan Lake moment....
and then nuke the island...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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… to be probably replaced by someone cut from the same damn cloth.
While they are going through replacements and struggling for power, Belarus will be liberated and Ukraine will grow strong. A liberal democracy in Russia would probably mean the dissolution of the Russian federation as we know it, chunks fly off whenever they get close. In the long run Belarus and Ukraine will change the culture and politics of Russia and that is what the Kremlin and ultra nationalists fear the most, not military conquest, but cultural, economic and political conquest. Postwar Ukraine will thrive economically, between rebuilding with Russian money and getting their gas developed for export to Europe. It will end up being a magnet for Russians with brains and ambition, but with a different attitude.
 

BudmanTX

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Keep in mind, some might say, that Russia has already taken over Belarus and is gonna be apart of Duma later on.....i could be wrong..
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
While they are going through replacements and struggling for power, Belarus will be liberated and Ukraine will grow strong. A liberal democracy in Russia would probably mean the dissolution of the Russian federation as we know it, chunks fly off whenever they get close. In the long run Belarus and Ukraine will change the culture and politics of Russia and that is what the Kremlin and ultra nationalists fear the most, not military conquest, but cultural, economic and political conquest. Postwar Ukraine will thrive economically, between rebuilding with Russian money and getting their gas developed for export to Europe. It will end up being a magnet for Russians with brains and ambition, but with a different attitude.
No because oligarchs.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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List of Russian municipal deputies calling for Putin’s resignation grows to nearly 50, local official says
From CNN's Uliana Pavlova

Nearly 50 municipal deputies have now signed a petition demanding the resignation of President Vladimir Putin, 29 more than on Monday, according to one of those involved.
Ksenia Thorstrom, a municipal deputy of the Semenovsky District in Saint Petersburg, told CNN:
“Now we have 47 verified signatures. Their geography has expanded significantly.”
“My colleagues and I wanted to support the deputies from Smolninsky, who were recently summoned to the police and will soon have a trial,” Thorstrom said.
The petition says: “We, the municipal deputies of Russia, believe that the actions of its president Vladimir Putin are detrimental to Russia’s and its citizens’ future. We demand Vladimir Putin's resignation from the post of the President of the Russian Federation."
“We decided to make our appeal so short that there would be less reason to find any fault with it from the authorities and so that as many municipal deputies as possible would sign the petition,” Thorstrom said.
Last week, the deputies of the Smolninskoye municipality of St. Petersburg called on the State Duma of the Russian Federation to bring charges of treason against Putin in order to remove him from office due to the war in Ukraine. Now those deputies face charges of "discrediting" the Russian army, according to a tweet by one of them, Nikita Yuferev.
Municipal deputies are local officials with limited political influence. The petition follows Russia’s first regional and municipal elections since the start of the war, in which pro-Kremlin candidates were overwhelmingly successful.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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No because oligarchs.
They haven't been doing too well lately and most are tied to Putin, so when he goes they might need a new patron. Most of the best and brightest have already left Russia and are in neighboring republics or in the west and Belarus and Ukraine are Russian speaking Slavic countries that should be prospering. It's politics, not language that will count the most, the languages are easy to pick up and to understand, in Belarus it's more Russian with an accent and European influences.

We will know a lot more in a month and we will see if the Russians can stabilize the situation on their side. Continued losses in the east (it ain't over) and in the south might change the picture quite a bit. There are an estimated 35K Russians in Kherson with few ways out and no supplies. This might turn into a cascading collapse, the Russians appear ripe for it and the Ukrainians probably haven't used much ammo once they broke through in the east and other than HIMARS to cut bridges don't seem to be using a lot in the south either. They are apparently trying to get all those Russians near Kherson to surrender or starve, another thing that saves ammo, capturing 30,000 troops instead of killing them, much cheaper.
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
They haven't been doing too well lately and most are tied to Putin, so when he goes they might need a new patron. Most of the best and brightest have already left Russia and are in neighboring republics or in the west and Belarus and Ukraine are Russian speaking Slavic countries that should be prospering. It's politics, not language that will count the most, the languages are easy to pick up and to understand, in Belarus it's more Russian with an accent and European influences.

We will know a lot more in a month and we will see if the Russians can stabilize the situation on their side. Continued losses in the east (it ain't over) and in the south might change the picture quite a bit. There are an estimated 35K Russians in Kherson with few ways out and no supplies. This might turn into a cascading collapse, the Russians appear ripe for it and the Ukrainians probably haven't used much ammo once they broke through in the east and other than HIMARS to cut bridges don't seem to be using a lot in the south either. They are apparently trying to get all those Russians near Kherson to surrender or starve, another thing that saves ammo, capturing 30,000 troops instead of killing them, much cheaper.
Judging by their lock on the state media, they are close to being as entrenched as the regimes in Saudi, Iran and China. So I am not optimistic that exchanging the head will change the way of things. They had a clearer shot thirty years ago, and look where they are now.
 
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