War

[Roger A. Shrubber]

no playing in Poland for you Roger

"Go sing in Moscow": Kraków councillor seeks to stop Roger Waters concerts over Ukraine stance

Pink Floyd founder Waters has blamed NATO for the war and accused Ukraine of "crossing red lines set out quite clearly by Russia".

notesfrompoland.com

i really was a fan of his music, but every interview i've read with him paints him as a fucking twat...
he can just go into QUIET retirement, as far as i'm concerned

 

[cannabineer]

remember that we all live in Babylon, before you get too prophetic...

I think Kadyrov is realizing that, as a puppet of Vladolf, he has lost his sponsor and protector. On the face of it, now would seem to be an opportune time for Chechens to harass him and his government.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Using phosphorus on SOLDIERS is a war crime….

it's a very gray area...using it in proximity to civilians, definitely a crime, using it on military targets clear of civilian areas, not a crime...if soldiers happen to be manning that equipment, seems like they're just fucked
and perhaps we shouldn't holier than thou, when we seem to be kind of guilty at times as well...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-phosphorus-facts-sb/factbox-key-facts-about-white-phosphorus-munitions-idUSTRE5471T620090508

 

[cannabineer]

Appeasement never worked with Hitler or Putin, Donbas and Crimea are proof of that. In the case of Europe it was selling them down the river for Russian oil, until Putin went for the whole country. A war of attrition is just what we want, bleed them white slowly without provoking nukes, a longer war will only mean deeper destruction of the Russian economy and infrastructure. We don't want Europe to go back to Russian energy anytime soon, we want a transition away from it. The smart people in Ukraine don't want a long war, but know that the destruction of the Russian military and economy is their best long term security.

… and if he does use a nuke, have a plan to visit massive and immediate conventional Nemesis by a full Nato air campaign.

The one situation in which a nuclear response might be indicated is in a single coordinated strike on every deployed Russian nuclear submarine using nuclear torpedoes and depth charges. Not much radiological consequences that way.

 

[Billy the Mountain]

Zelensky telegram post yesterday:

"Do you still think that we are 'one nation?' Do you still think that you can scare us, break us, make us make concessions?"
"You really did not understand anything? Don't understand who we are? What are we for? What are we talking about?," said the post, which published Sunday.

"Read my lips:
Without gas or without you? Without you.
Without light or without you? Without you.
Without water or without you? Without you.
Without food or without you? Without you," Zelensky wrote.
"Cold, hunger, darkness and thirst are not as scary and deadly for us as your 'friendship and brotherhood,'" he added.
"But history will put everything in its place. And we will be with gas, light, water and food ... and WITHOUT you!"

 

[ANC]

I can think of a couple of golden bobbles I'd like to decorate with phosphorus glitter.

 

[Friendly_Grower]

it's a very gray area...using it in proximity to civilians, definitely a crime, using it on military targets clear of civilian areas, not a crime...if soldiers happen to be manning that equipment, seems like they're just fucked
and perhaps we shouldn't holier than thou, when we seem to be kind of guilty at times as well...
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-afghanistan-phosphorus-facts-sb/factbox-key-facts-about-white-phosphorus-munitions-idUSTRE5471T620090508

Thanks for that clarification.
I have a lot to learn about what is allowed in War.
I just do the Mr. Mackey, Mmmkay?

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

… and if he does use a nuke, have a plan to visit massive and immediate conventional Nemesis by a full Nato air campaign.

The one situation in which a nuclear response might be indicated is in a single coordinated strike on every deployed Russian nuclear submarine using nuclear torpedoes and depth charges. Not much radiological consequences that way.

Contingency planning is something the military does, or is suppose to, have a plan for everything, success, or failure. In Ukraine the Russian's weakened their lines and failed to have a contingency plan for defensible fall back positions, or the officers responsible for making them were killed along with a lot of other ones. The Ukrainians also had a plan for better than expected results and exceeded it and are probably making adjustments on the fly.

The use of nukes is not black and white, though it could easily get to that point, response depends on what kind of nuke they use and where they use it and how many. There are many non nuclear options for inflicting pain on Russia and Putin and the responses are already mapped out, depending on the level of provocation. As I mentioned before, Ukraine can produce dirty bombs, conventional explosives with plutonium or other manufactured isotopes that can make cities uninhabitable in Russia and could already have such weapons ready, we don't know and neither does Vlad, or maybe they told him quietly.

 

[cannabineer]

Contingency planning is something the military does, or is suppose to, have a plan for everything, success, or failure. In Ukraine the Russian's weakened their lines and failed to have a contingency plan for defensible fall back positions, or the officers responsible for making them were killed along with a lot of other ones. The Ukrainians also had a plan for better than expected results and exceeded it and are probably making adjustments on the fly.

The use of nukes is not black and white, though it could easily get to that point, response depends on what kind of nuke they use and where they use it and how many. There are many non nuclear options for inflicting pain on Russia and Putin and the responses are already mapped out, depending on the level of provocation. As I mentioned before, Ukraine can produce dirty bombs, conventional explosives with plutonium or other manufactured isotopes that can make cities uninhabitable in Russia and could already have such weapons ready, we don't know and neither does Vlad, or maybe they told him quietly.

I consider the probability of Ukraine having dirty bombs as less than that of an asteroid strike.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I consider the probability of Ukraine having dirty bombs as less than that of an asteroid strike.

I do too, but, they have the means, reactors and proximity to their potential targets with the means to deliver them. Nuking them might not be a good idea, aside from what NATO would do in retaliation, but for what they or some in their country might do in response. Deterrence works, it worked for the Brits in WW2 and MAD worked during the cold war, you wanna keep that genie in the bottle for sure. Just bear in mind Ukraine is a nuclear power too and one a few hundred miles from Moscow, Vlad should remember that fact, nukes don't need to go bang to be devastatingly effective.

 

[cannabineer]

I do too, but, they have the means, reactors and proximity to their potential targets with the means to deliver them. Nuking them might not be a good idea, aside from what NATO would do in retaliation, but for what they or some in their country might do in response. Deterrence works, it worked for the Brits in WW2 and MAD worked during the cold war, you wanna keep that genie in the bottle for sure. Just bear in mind Ukraine is a nuclear power too and one a few hundred miles from Moscow, Vlad should remember that fact, nukes don't need to go bang to be devastatingly effective.

Do you seriously think that Ukraine would squander one of its mightiest weapons, favorable world opinion, on a terror strike?

I don’t. The cost/benefit analysis is negative from every angle.

There are two wars here: the physical and the moral. Ukraine is winning both at this time. I expect their Russian POWs (barring, perhaps, those of field and flag rank) eventually to report that their standard of living improved upon internment.

 

[printer]

Lessons dedicated to the special operation will be held in schools throughout the year
The Ministry of Education divided the topic dedicated to the special operation into the lessons "Talk about the important"
During the school year, Russian schoolchildren will study the topic of the special military operation in Ukraine at the lessons "Talk about the important," said Minister of Education Sergei Kravtsov.

Earlier it became known that one of these lessons for schoolchildren from the fifth to the 11th grade will be devoted to the NWO and the understanding that the inhabitants of the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics are Russian people.

"Conversations about the important" - a series of classes in the format of a classroom hour, which will be held in schools at the beginning of each school week. Their main goal will be the development of patriotism and morality, as well as historical education and civic education.

The first lesson was held in Russian schools on September 5th. It was dedicated to the Day of Knowledge and aimed at forming an understanding among schoolchildren that the state creates opportunities for self-realization of each of them.
https://ria-ru.translate.goog/20220912/shkola-1816344354.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Wonder if they will include the big loss they just had?

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Do you seriously think that Ukraine would squander one of its mightiest weapons, favorable world opinion, on a terror strike?

I don’t. The cost/benefit analysis is negative from every angle.

There are two wars here: the physical and the moral. Ukraine is winning both at this time. I expect their Russian POWs (barring, perhaps, those of field and flag rank) eventually to report that their standard of living improved upon internment.

As I said, I don't think it's on the table at this point, but wanted to point out it is a possibility that Vlad might want to consider, since he would consider it. I also don't think use of a tactical nuke by Russia in Ukraine would result in a full blown response from America, but it might shut the Baltic and the black sea off from Russia and provision of conventional weapons to the Ukrainians that can hit deep inside Russia, including Vlad personally. Europe would freak out at any use of nukes by either side.

 

[BudmanTX]

Lessons dedicated to the special operation will be held in schools throughout the year
The Ministry of Education divided the topic dedicated to the special operation into the lessons "Talk about the important"
During the school year, Russian schoolchildren will study the topic of the special military operation in Ukraine at the lessons "Talk about the important," said Minister of Education Sergei Kravtsov.

Earlier it became known that one of these lessons for schoolchildren from the fifth to the 11th grade will be devoted to the NWO and the understanding that the inhabitants of the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics are Russian people.

"Conversations about the important" - a series of classes in the format of a classroom hour, which will be held in schools at the beginning of each school week. Their main goal will be the development of patriotism and morality, as well as historical education and civic education.

The first lesson was held in Russian schools on September 5th. It was dedicated to the Day of Knowledge and aimed at forming an understanding among schoolchildren that the state creates opportunities for self-realization of each of them.
https://ria-ru.translate.goog/20220912/shkola-1816344354.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Wonder if they will include the big loss they just had?

or they want to make sure the story is correct on they're side.....

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Lessons dedicated to the special operation will be held in schools throughout the year
The Ministry of Education divided the topic dedicated to the special operation into the lessons "Talk about the important"
During the school year, Russian schoolchildren will study the topic of the special military operation in Ukraine at the lessons "Talk about the important," said Minister of Education Sergei Kravtsov.

Earlier it became known that one of these lessons for schoolchildren from the fifth to the 11th grade will be devoted to the NWO and the understanding that the inhabitants of the Luhansk and Donetsk People's Republics are Russian people.

"Conversations about the important" - a series of classes in the format of a classroom hour, which will be held in schools at the beginning of each school week. Their main goal will be the development of patriotism and morality, as well as historical education and civic education.

The first lesson was held in Russian schools on September 5th. It was dedicated to the Day of Knowledge and aimed at forming an understanding among schoolchildren that the state creates opportunities for self-realization of each of them.
https://ria-ru.translate.goog/20220912/shkola-1816344354.html?_x_tr_sl=ru&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en&_x_tr_pto=sc

Wonder if they will include the big loss they just had?

Like in Red states, they have the internet and what books say in school about history matters less and less with each generation. Kids in Russia will end up watching lot's of Russian videos about this war eventually, YouTube will be popular in Russia again, it was one of the last services to go under the crackdown. In a way it's become a bit of a Wikipedia and archive for video and there is loads of quality educational content for kids in a variety of languages. May people under 30 don't even watch TV anymore, that is for the older crowd, here and in Russia.

 

[cannabineer]

As I said, I don't think it's on the table at this point, but wanted to point out it is a possibility that Vlad might want to consider, since he would consider it. I also don't think use of a tactical nuke by Russia in Ukraine would result in a full blown response from America, but it might shut the Baltic and the black sea off from Russia and provision of conventional weapons to the Ukrainians that can hit deep inside Russia, including Vlad personally. Europe would freak out at any use of nukes by either side.

I could be wrong, but the use of even one small nuke would lead to a massive response by Nato. It’s for what the organization was made and is being maintained.
Imo.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

don't jump the gun...things look very good, but it ain't over till it's over

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I could be wrong, but the use of even one small nuke would lead to a massive response by Nato. It’s for what the organization was made and is being maintained.
Imo.

The main question is, would it be a nuclear response and that depends on circumstances, proportional response.

 

[printer]

In the Kharkiv region, the SBU arrested teachers teaching Russian
In the Kharkiv region, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) detained teachers from Russia, they face up to 12 years in prison. This was announced by the Prime Minister of the country Irina Vereshchuk.

“They committed a crime against our state. <...> There are serious terms of punishment, ”Strana.ua quoted the official as saying. Detained teachers face up to 12 years in prison in accordance with Art. 438 of the Criminal Code of Ukraine (violation of the laws and customs of war). Vereshchuk added that they would not be treated as prisoners for exchange.

Also, criminal cases were initiated against Ukrainian teachers who worked under Russian educational programs. They face up to 15 years in prison.

Earlier, a military expert, reserve colonel Gennady Alekhin told URA.RU that thousands of civilians in the Kharkiv region are being held hostage by Ukrainian nationalists . According to him, the Armed Forces of Ukraine are catching people who helped the Russian army. The head of the VGA, Vitaly Ganchev , reported on repressions , because of which people cannot leave the Kharkiv region. Russia has been conducting a special operation in Ukraine since February 24. Its main goals, according to Russian President Vladimir Putin, are the demilitarization and denazification of territories.

В Харьковской области СБУ арестовала преподающих русский язык учителей

Читайте на URA.RU

ura-news.translate.goog

Russian teachers detained in liberated Kupyansk
“The current academic year could last up to 15 years for these bastards,” the MP wrote.

Additionally, two Kupyansk locals were charged in absentia for voluntarily collaborating with Russian occupation “authorities” in the town, Office of the Prosecutor-General of Ukraine said in a Telegram post.

The Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) continue their multi-pronged counteroffensive in both Kherson and Kharkiv oblasts, which began on Aug. 29.

Key bridges across the Dnipro River are constantly disrupted by Ukrainian artillery, leaving Moscow’s troops on Dnipro’s western bank largely cut off from supplies and reinforcements.

The pace of the Ukrainian advance in Kharkiv Oblast has stunned military observers, who have estimated Kyiv has liberated 2,500 square kilometers of land in a span of several days.

Ukraine’s General Staff remains tight-lipped on how the counteroffensive is going, adhering to a strict operations security regime.

Russian teachers detained in liberated Kupyansk

Ukrainian law enforcement is detaining Russian teachers in recently liberated Kupyansk, Kharkiv Oblast, who were tasked with indoctrinating Ukrainian students, extolling imperial virtues of “Pax Russica,” Ukrainian MP Oleksii Honcharenko said in a Telegram post on Sept. 10.

news.yahoo.com

 

[cannabineer]

The main question is, would it be a nuclear response and that depends on circumstances, proportional response.

You’ve seen my opinion: probably conventional. The only exception might be a fast positive takedown of the missile boats, as I do not know how good our conventional ASW weapons are. “If you can’t do fast and clean, go with fast.”