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DIY-HP-LED

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Electric vehicle battery capable of 98% charge in less than ten minutes

Enovix, based in Fremont, California, announced that it demonstrated in electric vehicle (EV) battery cells the ability to charge from 0% to 80% state-of-charge in as little as 5.2 minutes and to achieve a greater than 98% charge capacity in under 10 minutes. The cells also surpassed 1,000 cycles while retaining 93% of their capacity.

The achievement shattered the United States Advanced Battery Consortium (USABC) goal of achieving 80% charge in 15 minutes
There have also been major breakthroughs in Sulphur Lithium batteries with a good chance it can also be used with other chemistries. They too offer fast charging, long life and high power densities, up to 8 times current technology in theory and the first generation are expected to be 3 times as energy dense as current ones.
 
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doublejj

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There have also been major breakthroughs in Sulphur Lithium batteries with and good chance it can also be used with other chemistries. They too offer fast charging, long life and high power densities, up to 8 times current technology in theory and the first generation are expected to be 3 times as energy dense as current ones.
2035 is a long way off in technology years....
 

DIY-HP-LED

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So, pie in the sky.
I reinspected the post; it does not say “in future”. Thus it was reasonable for me to request currently sold solutions.
There are no current solutions as far as I know unless you want to get into some heavy DIY and Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are the current power bank option. Solar panels are already cheap and there are a variety of battery solutions in the works, some near production, others 5 years out. However all batteries should drop in price over the next few years as Lithium ion have over the past decade. It is a dynamic situation and personal charging/ backup depends like grid storage on evolving battery technologies of several kinds, depending on the purpose. It is a dynamic situation and what is not feasible now might be in a few years.

Immediate energy solutions would be in the area of efficiency and conservation, heat pumps, and insulation. However if you want to charge an EV at home a lot depends on it's size, battery capacity and daily usage. A 220 power line might deliver 80 amps, so unless it it is supplemented you won't be putting a lot of daily miles on electric your Ford F150 charging at home. Fast chargers for these kind of vehicles must deliver 300 amps DC at 300 volts!
 

DIY-HP-LED

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2035 is a long way off in technology years....
I wouldn't place too many heavy bets on any particular energy or battery technology. If the geothermal thing works it will cause a crash in renewable and nuclear stocks, but perhaps not battery stocks that are focused on vehicles. There are many promising battery technologies that will be competing for the next decade or more. The automotive makers have made the psychological switch and the die is cast.
 

cannabineer

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There are no current solutions as far as I know unless you want to get into some heavy DIY and Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries are the current power bank option. Solar panels are already cheap and there are a variety of battery solutions in the works, some near production, others 5 years out. However all batteries should drop in price over the next few years as Lithium ion have over the past decade. It is a dynamic situation and personal charging/ backup depends like grid storage on evolving battery technologies of several kinds, depending on the purpose. It is a dynamic situation and what is not feasible now might be in a few years.

Immediate energy solutions would be in the area of efficiency and conservation, heat pumps, and insulation. However if you want to charge an EV at home a lot depends on it's size, battery capacity and daily usage. A 220 power line might deliver 80 amps, so unless it it is supplemented you won't be putting a lot of daily miles on electric your Ford F150 charging at home. Fast chargers for these kind of vehicles must deliver 300 amps DC at 300 volts!
I’ve heard it bruited about that megawatt-class chargers are coming. I wonder if they are harder on a battery in terms of degradation of real capacity. My current household rechargeables’ manuals recommend slower charging rates for device longevity. I would not want to be near one such in a marine environment.

Charging a heavy-use pair of EVs is imo the performance baseline I would choose: one passenger vehicle and one utility vehicle, with 500-mile days planned in.

Where I live, heat pumps run out of efficiency just when I would need them: to heat at 10 degrees with a gale chilling the dwelling, and to cool at 120, with sun on the heat exchanger. This means against a gradient of 60 degrees either way.

The other times, good insulation plus ventilation management do the trick for me. It isn’t luxury, but running a 4kW a/c at $.55 per marginal kWh is.

I admit I am looking for worst conditions to evaluate such a tech. It has to operate affordably and without increased chance of under-or nonperformance under the most adverse conditions realistic for where I am.
 

Fogdog

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Dang, I could only take a short listen of him. He was rambling and slurring his speech. The boy seems demented. He seemed wistful that he couldn't rule the US with an iron fist. His description of his administration's relationship with Xi and "Ch eye nah" was not the one I recall. A wonderful trade package? I guess so, if one can call a trade war "wonderful".

Imagine where this country would be if we had another four years of him.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I’ve heard it bruited about that megawatt-class chargers are coming. I wonder if they are harder on a battery in terms of degradation of real capacity. My current household rechargeables’ manuals recommend slower charging rates for device longevity. I would not want to be near one such in a marine environment.

Charging a heavy-use pair of EVs is imo the performance baseline I would choose: one passenger vehicle and one utility vehicle, with 500-mile days planned in.

Where I live, heat pumps run out of efficiency just when I would need them: to heat at 10 degrees with a gale chilling the dwelling, and to cool at 120, with sun on the heat exchanger. This means against a gradient of 60 degrees either way.

The other times, good insulation plus ventilation management do the trick for me. It isn’t luxury, but running a 4kW a/c at $.55 per marginal kWh is.

I admit I am looking for worst conditions to evaluate such a tech. It has to operate affordably and without increased chance of under-or nonperformance under the most adverse conditions realistic for where I am.
Using a ground heat loop can make a heat pump put out 5 watts of cooling or heating for every watt ya put in. Most subsoil temps are in the 60F range year round. I think the idea most folks will have is a small commuter EV as a second car that can easily charge from home overnight using it's internal charger using 220 volts. Most people drive less than 50 miles a day and a small EV can be topped up overnight, it is a completely different proposition than an electric F150 used on a farm say or hauling a trailer for a contractor.
 

cannabineer

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Using a ground heat loop can make a heat pump put out 5 watts of cooling or heating for every watt ya put in. Most subsoil temps are in the 60F range year round. I think the idea most folks will have is a small commuter EV as a second car that can easily charge from home overnight using it's internal charger using 220 volts. Most people drive less than 50 miles a day and a small EV can be topped up overnight, it is a completely different proposition than an electric F150 used on a farm say or hauling a trailer for a contractor.
How expensive is it to install such a loop, and how long before it saturates at 10kW continuous?

Figure a Sierra Nevada location (or somewhere on the Canadian Shield craton) with solid granite (a famously poor thermoconductor) as the source/sink. No groundwater cheats.
 

cannabineer

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There is a lot of room in the desert for wind farms or solar farms. Off shore also. Tidal surge is an untapped resource. Billions of gallons flow in and out of San Francisco bay with each tide change...
No. There is already too much. The desert is a fragile ecology under heavy threat from just such proposals made by sonzabitches from out of town.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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How expensive is it to install such a loop, and how long before it saturates at 10kW continuous?

Figure a Sierra Nevada location (or somewhere on the Canadian Shield craton) with solid granite (a famously poor thermoconductor) as the source/sink. No groundwater cheats.
Move to a more hospitable location...
 

doublejj

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False dichotomy. Water can be imported. Desert area, not so much.
Nor Cal rivers are turning brackish and fish stocks are plummeting because they pump so much water into the SoCal aqueduct. They must truck salmon fry from the hatcheries up river to the SF Bay to bypass the pumps.
The drought in California is so bad that the state is loading almost 17 million hatchery salmon into trucks for a ride to the coast in a massive effort to help the species.
Typically, Chinook salmon spawn in rivers and then migrate to the ocean as juveniles, eventually swimming back up rivers to lay their eggs.

Salmon are a “keystone species,” one that has a domino-like effect on other organisms in an ecosystem. If salmon go, so does everything else. Animals from birds to bears rely on the fish for food and nourishment.
But, some environmental activists are positive about what efforts like this transportation project mean for the species.
“Well, actually, in the short term, this gives us hope,” said local fish and wildlife conservation activists John McManus to CBS News. “And we’re happy that they’re moving these fish. But it’s also a very sad testament to what’s happening with our rivers in the middle of this state,” McManus said.

 

cannabineer

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Nor Cal rivers are turning brackish and fish stocks are plummeting because they pump so much water into the SoCal aqueduct. They must truck salmon fry from the hatcheries up river to the SF Bay to bypass the pumps.
The drought in California is so bad that the state is loading almost 17 million hatchery salmon into trucks for a ride to the coast in a massive effort to help the species.
Typically, Chinook salmon spawn in rivers and then migrate to the ocean as juveniles, eventually swimming back up rivers to lay their eggs.

Salmon are a “keystone species,” one that has a domino-like effect on other organisms in an ecosystem. If salmon go, so does everything else. Animals from birds to bears rely on the fish for food and nourishment.
But, some environmental activists are positive about what efforts like this transportation project mean for the species.
“Well, actually, in the short term, this gives us hope,” said local fish and wildlife conservation activists John McManus to CBS News. “And we’re happy that they’re moving these fish. But it’s also a very sad testament to what’s happening with our rivers in the middle of this state,” McManus said.

I am not in favor of that. Climate change means we will likely have to buy it from our Canadian neighbors and pipeline it. The Mackenzie is a reliable source.
 

doublejj

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I am not in favor of that. Climate change means we will likely have to buy it from our Canadian neighbors and pipeline it. The Mackenzie is a reliable source.
I've seen plans for an offshore pipeline from the mouth of the Columbia river in Oregon to SoCal.
 
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