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ec121

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Fogdog said:
Imagine where this country would be if we had another four years of him.
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That's the thing. He pushed the envelope to pretty good extremes knowing that he had to remain attractive for re-election. If he got a second term and knew that he would have to relinquish power after 4 more years, there is no telling how far he would have pushed the extremes, especially if any of those extremes would helpful in his hope to become another Putin.
 
HGCC

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Polly Wog said:
I stopped in to a local rural king to get some items a few weeks back. Rural king is a self proclaimed christian chain farm store. I wanted to pick up some straight non alcohol gas to use to mix for my 2 cycle tools. I commented about how difficult it has been for years to find ethenol free gas. He said the gubment makes them add ethenol. This is a major soybean and corn area. I said I believe the farmers lobby for it too increase corn sales which increases prices. He said where did you here that? I said I read it on the news. He said I don't watch the news. I said not much else to say. Bought my gas and left.
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That was a good tale of the midwest!

Wife was there for a wedding this weekend. Lots of shirts...not a lot of shirt sleeves though, thought that was funny, couldnt wait to break out the tank tops and arrived at the reception ready to party. Obligatory shotgun pictures, because that's the only joke they knew...so despite it being some people getting married after dating like 10 years and it not being wedlock, they decided they needed that. To each their own I guess.
 
Fogdog

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schuylaar said:
This is a 30-minute essay; Gerson reads personally. Worth it.

Trump should fill Christians with rage. How come he doesn’t?

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It was an interesting listen. "How come he doesn't?" was a rhetorical question and not one he answers in his essay. He does present a good discussion of what he considers Christian values that is based upon an ancient history. Events on or around 305 AD represents the end of the Christian faith that Gerson discussed, if there ever really was such a thing.

305 AD was when Flavius Valerius Constantinus made a bargain with God that if he helped him win a battle, he would replace the pagan Roman religion that was based upon the pagan Greek religion and elevate Christianity as the one true faith of the Roman Empire. He won the battle, eventually was crowned Emperor and Christianity became forever linked to absolutist authoritarian government.

Authoritarian leaders are oriented around social dominance.

The characteristics of authoritarian followers are:
  • fiercely loyal to the leader.
  • fearful of change.
  • resistant to contrary evidence or arguments.
  • aversive to introspection.
  • deficient in empathy.
  • skeptical of equality.
  • conventional in lifestyle.
  • dogmatically religious and yet unapologetically amoral and aggressive in support of anything advocated by the leader.
It is the last one that is the reason that authoritarian followers who call themselves Christians do or countenance acts completely out of line with the teachings Gerson promoted. They have been doing it as so called Christians for almost 1700 years. They were doing the same for much longer but not under the guise of Christianity.
 
Bagginski

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i don't know about that. they've been glaring stupid, incredibly, blatantly lie filled trump masturbation fests since the first one...and the magats just keep coming...and so does trump.
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I’m not trying to wave away any of that…but the only sure cure I know for the levels of delusion and blind devotion I’ve watched increase these many years is: FAILURE. The shocking moment when you realize the shark is going to eat YOUR face, your wife’s face, NOW. WHILE YOU WATCH.

I ain’t talking some burst of enlightenment or brain flash; I’m talking the cold shock that sinks in when you realize you’ve led YOURSELF (or someone you genuinely love) to the slaughter - and it’s too late. The realization of what YOU HAVE DONE that went wrong (and HOW wrong) wakes everyone up.

Of course, it will almost certainly be too late for us as a nation, and there’ll be tons of blubber abut how we were right all along, that they didn’t know, they really believed, they had no idea, they never imagined.

If any of them can arrive there at the ‘almost’ stage, I figure that’s good: that HOLY FUCK moment is good, and necessary, and therapeutic, but what matters is being able grab the wheel, stomp the brakes, and NOT GO OVER THE CLIFF; so I’ll accept anyone whose ‘come to Jesus’ moment includes Jesus screaming “WAKE UP AND STOP THE FUCKING BUS!!!”

I had that moment 60 years ago. All I care about is stopping the fucking bus from going over the edge…’cause ‘too late’ = ‘game over’: ‘almost made it’ makes Baby Jesus cry and I’m not willing to play that
 
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cannabineer

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Bagginski said:
I’m not trying to wave away any of that…but the only sure cure I know for the levels of delusion and blind devotion I’ve watched increase these many years is: FAILURE. The shocking moment when you realize the shark is going to eat YOUR face, your wife’s face, NOW. WHILE YOU WATCH.

I ain’t talking some burst of enlightenment or brain flash; I’m talking the cold shock that sinks in when you realize you’ve led YOURSELF (or someone you genuinely love) to the slaughter - and it’s too late. The realization of what YOU HAVE DONE that went wrong (and HOW wrong) wakes everyone up.

Of course, it will almost certainly be to late for us as a nation, and there’ll be tons of blubber abut how we were right all along, that they didn’t know, they really believed, they had no idea, they never imagined.

If any of them can arrive there at the ‘almost’ stage, I figure that’s good: that HOLY FUCK moment is good, and necessary, and therapeutic, but what matters is being able grab the wheel, stomp the brakes, and NOT GO OVER THE CLIFF; so I’ll accept anyone whose ‘come to Jesus’ moment includes Jesus screaming “WAKE UP AND STOP THE FUCKING BUS!!!”

I had that moment 60 years ago. All I care about is stopping the fucking bus from going over the edge…’cause ‘too late’ = ‘game over’: ‘almost made it’ makes Baby Jesus cry and I’m not willing to play that
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Regarding that cliff —
I think this is the moment about which Saturday morning TV was trying to warn us.

Don’t look down. It’s the looking down that does for you.

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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Bagginski said:
I’m not trying to wave away any of that…but the only sure cure I know for the levels of delusion and blind devotion I’ve watched increase these many years is: FAILURE. The shocking moment when you realize the shark is going to eat YOUR face, your wife’s face, NOW. WHILE YOU WATCH.

I ain’t talking some burst of enlightenment or brain flash; I’m talking the cold shock that sinks in when you realize you’ve led YOURSELF (or someone you genuinely love) to the slaughter - and it’s too late. The realization of what YOU HAVE DONE that went wrong (and HOW wrong) wakes everyone up.

Of course, it will almost certainly be to late for us as a nation, and there’ll be tons of blubber abut how we were right all along, that they didn’t know, they really believed, they had no idea, they never imagined.

If any of them can arrive there at the ‘almost’ stage, I figure that’s good: that HOLY FUCK moment is good, and necessary, and therapeutic, but what matters is being able grab the wheel, stomp the brakes, and NOT GO OVER THE CLIFF; so I’ll accept anyone whose ‘come to Jesus’ moment includes Jesus screaming “WAKE UP AND STOP THE FUCKING BUS!!!”

I had that moment 60 years ago. All I care about is stopping the fucking bus from going over the edge…’cause ‘too late’ = ‘game over’: ‘almost made it’ makes Baby Jesus cry and I’m not willing to play that
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the sad truth is, i've watched a lot of people live their entire lives without having ANY kind of epiphany, they were born stupid, lived stupid, and died stupid. if a magat has not only lived through the last 6 years, but continues to support trump, then they're not poor deluded fools anymore, now they're willing foot soldiers to a fascist movement...to me, that makes them my enemy, and you know what one does with enemies in an existential conflict.
you can't have an epiphany if you're not only comfortable in your role as fascist lackey, but you enjoy it, on the off chance you might get to kill someone, or at least burn some shit. only one cure for that sickness, a few grams of lead.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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you know what would cure them? a secret live feed to a few trump meetings and discussions, where he makes it plain as day that his supporters are tools and fools that he uses and discards, where it is plain that trump cares about trump, first, last, and at all times in between, and America and Americans are tools for trump to use to further the legacy of trump...
that is pretty much what it would take for them to wake the fuck up...and many of them would never believe even that, they would claim it was faked, and continue to worship the piece of orange shit
 
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