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Lucky Luke

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Ok, so i was a little out of date...I'd still like to finish this shit once and for all. The goal seems to be to cripple russia financially and militarily so they can't attack anyone else...But the thing is, they'll immediately start rebuilding their army, and they'll remember being humiliated. Now, they'll start checking that shit gets done. They'll change their command structure and try to build a cadre of NCO equivalent ranks to control groups in the field better. They'll stockpile sensitive spare parts, build up their supply of precision munitions,
work on their distribution system...
and then they'll attack Ukraine again, or they'll just subsume Belorussia, or they'll be really fucking insane and attack a NATO country...
and we'll right back here...not daring to stop them again, because of the fucking aged, decrepit, soviet era piece of shit nukes...
we'll be the leader of russia's hostage...how long till they want to expand past the nato countries blocking them? will we finally have the fucking balls to stand up to him then? or will we let him march through Romania to get to Serbia? and then let them steal another country...because he has nukes?
Sure they could. But who wants a one world government? Of any political persuasion.
Russians are people. Why do you want to kill millions perhaps billions of people and wildlife? Your a crazy man.
Be wonderful if nobody had nukes wouldn't it?
 
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ANC

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Apparently it is still a distinct possibility, from the article I read from a fellow promoting it years ago, I got the impression the risks had diminished along with the arsenals. Nuclear war is a bad idea and as I said before, a Hail Mary conventional precision strike on their nukes could reduce the risks considerably. These fuckers might go nuts yet and would have to be dealt with. You might not get them all, but reducing them by 90% would avoid nuclear winter, or lessen it's severity, we must deal with this shit the best way we can. During the cold war the plan was to nuke the shit out of the Russians as they invaded, now the idea is we can easily lick them conventionally, the same idea might be true for nukes.

Their nukes are distributed over one of the biggest land masses on earth as well as on nuclear submarines.
Some on automatic doomsday mode.

Things have the potential to get really ugly really fast if you don't happen to take most of the command structure out within the first few hits. And even then it might not be the end...

In my deepest heart, I also want to call Russia's bluff, But I'm a middle-aged sickly guy who will never get called up for duty.
Besides, the dumbarses in charge of our country would probably back Brics
 

cannabineer

Ursus marijanus
Their nukes are distributed over one of the biggest land masses on earth as well as on nuclear submarines.
Some on automatic doomsday mode.

Things have the potential to get really ugly really fast if you don't happen to take most of the command structure out within the first few hits. And even then it might not be the end...

In my deepest heart, I also want to call Russia's bluff, But I'm a middle-aged sickly guy who will never get called up for duty.
Besides, the dumbarses in charge of our country would probably back Brics
I have never heard of automatic doomdsay mode. I cannot imagine the arms treaties left that available. Link?
 

ANC

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I have never heard of automatic doomdsay mode. I cannot imagine the arms treaties left that available. Link?



System concept
"Perimeter" appeared as an alternative system for all units armed with nuclear weapons. It was meant to be a backup communication system, in case the key components of the "Kazbek" command system and the link to the Strategic Missile Forces are destroyed by a decapitation first strike.

To ensure its functionality the system was designed to be fully automatic, with the ability[7] to decide an adequate retaliatory strike on its own with no (or minimal) human involvement in the event of an all-out attack.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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China is not working with the West on this one. This complicates things imo

i really don't think China has ever "worked with the west" on anything they didn't see a distinct advantage for themselves in.
they're opportunists, all the way down to their cultural roots, and don't understand the concept of staying loyal to an ally..
and i'm not trying to be insulting, i think that is a real cultural difference, they developed their society differently than ours, in a different situation, and to try to judge their actions by our values is not going to give you any real, useful information. You have to try to understand their worldview, which is difficult if you have little experience of them.
in America, individuals make achievements, in China, the team that individual is on made the achievements.
China is much more structured than America...a floor worker in a Chinese factory would never speak to the owner of the business if he passed by, or even a general manager, without going through their direct supervisor.
Chinese people are usually much more roundabout in their way of trying to make a point, and can easily be misunderstood by their American counterparts, who are used to much more direct communication.
Americans are used to freedom of speech, where they can say pretty much anything that isn't a direct threat to another person with no penalties, while Chinese are raised in a society of censorship, where a small slip of the tongue can have costly consequences, so they're a lot more introspective about what they say, before they say it.
losing your cool in China and yelling at someone, even a subordinate, is a sign of weakness, and a loss of face...where as in America, it's just something you do when someone pisses you off, then you go give them an insincere apology, and everyone is all better....

so to expect them to be good, reliable allies by American standards is just never going to happen, being a good ally by our standards makes them willing pawns to an outside power, by their standards...
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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sure...lets just sit on our hands while he makes his shitty army less shitty...he won't ever learn, he won't ever correct past errors, they'll stay the same incompetent fools they became during a period of peace...
we better fucking hope they stay the same fucking fools...we don't have the fucking balls to face him directly, and it appears we never will
 

printer

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Drone strike on Russian fleet halts Crimea festival; agribusiness owner dies in possible targeted attack: Ukraine updates
A drone attack at the headquarters of Russia's Black Sea Fleet wounded six people and shut down a festival marking Navy Day in the Crimean peninsula city of Sevastopol, the mayor said Sunday.

"There were no fatalities, six people were injured, two in moderate condition, the rest are in stable condition," Mayor Mikhail Razvozhaev said on social media.

The Black Sea Fleet’s press service said the drone appeared to be homemade and described the explosive device as “low-power." Crimean authorities raised the terrorism threat level for the region to “yellow,” the second-highest tier.

Sevastopol is about 100 miles south of the Ukrainian mainland and has been under Russian control since 2014, when the Kremlin illegally annexed Crimea. Russian forces also control much of the mainland coast area along the Black Sea. There was no immediate information on where the drone came from.

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy has vowed to take Crimea back from Russia. His top aide said the drone strike was a reflection of Russia's weak air defenses.

“Did the occupiers admit the helplessness of their air defense system? Or their helplessness in front of the Crimean partisans?" Oleksiy Arestovich said on Telegram.

Wealthy businessman killed in what Ukrainian official calls targeted attack
One of Ukraine’s wealthiest men and his wife were killed in their Mykolaiv home by a Russian missile strike that an Ukrainian official said was carefully targeted.

Oleksiy Vadatursky, who headed a grain production and export business and once was given the "Hero of Ukraine'' award for his contributions to the country, died alongside his wife, Raisa, in an early Sunday morning attack, regional Gov. Vitaliy Kim said.

Their killing comes just as Ukraine is about to resume exporting grain under a deal with Russia brokered by the United Nations and Turkey.

The southern port city of Mykolaiv came under heavy bombardment overnight, but presidential adviser Mykhailo Podolyak said Vadatursky, 74, was specifically targeted. Vadatursky’s agribusiness, Nibulon, includes a fleet of ships for sending grain abroad.

It “was not an accident, but a well-thought-out and organized premeditated murder,'' Podolyak said. "Vadatursky was one of the largest farmers in the country, a key person in the region and a major employer. That the exact hit of a rocket was not just in a house, but in a specific wing, the bedroom, leaves no doubt about aiming and adjusting the strike.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Ex-Chairman of Joint Chiefs predicts if Ukraine can win long fight with Putin
142,501 views Jul 31, 2022 Michael Mullen, the former Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, discusses where the war in Ukraine stands now and if Ukraine can win against Putin.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Is Russia on the verge of economic collapse? | Jeff Sonnenfeld
8,861 views Aug 1, 2022 "The myth of Putin as the world's energies tsar is running out of gas." Putin can't pivot east to sell oil and gas and is eating into his reserves to finance the war, which will create "a very tough time in Russia" in the coming months, says Jeff Sonnenfeld.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Is Russia on the verge of economic collapse? | Jeff Sonnenfeld
8,861 views Aug 1, 2022 "The myth of Putin as the world's energies tsar is running out of gas." Putin can't pivot east to sell oil and gas and is eating into his reserves to finance the war, which will create "a very tough time in Russia" in the coming months, says Jeff Sonnenfeld.
this is the first financial assesment of russia's situation that i trust...Sonnenfeld knows what the fuck he's talking about, he's been around forever, and he's been right forever.
 
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