Is a reversal of Roe v Wade decision next?

[Bagginski]

I do think they will need to establish some sort of legal framework that would override states rights.

US Constitution: Article VI, Clause 2:

This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.

This won’t go over big with the fake-patriot faction, but eff ‘em: conniving swindlers & pumped-up dupes & carpetbaggers….

Fun fact: this kinda takes the mojo out of SCROTUS attempting to make state legislatures sovereign & autonomous (on one level, anyway). “Judges in every state shall be bound thereby; any Thing in the Constitution or laws of any state *notwithstanding*“…given *THAT*, there’s a certain ‘contrarian’ party that should be hearing alarms go off all around them - but they’re whistling too loud

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I do think they will need to establish some sort of legal framework that would override states rights.

Edit: well I only posted half a thought there, not sure where it was headed originally. Maybe they can sell people on nationalized healthcare this time, not sure if it would work, but I would assume that nationwide federal law would override the states. It would of course wind up in the supreme court and would likely lose, and really has no chance of getting off the ground...but maybe. I'm stretching there.

they need to federalize a lot of things. the states had their chance, and while some of them did a lot of it right, it seems more of them have made shit hash out of self governance.
there has to be a federal framework of guaranteed rights, codified into law.
children need to learn the actual truth, no matter how uncomfortable it makes their racist parents.
domestic terrorist need to be hunted down and punished. make a threat to a teacher, or a government worker, go to jail, and lose the right to ever own a gun or vote.
this needs to be nation wide, no loopholes.
that's just a quick beginning.

 

[injinji]

US Constitution: Article VI, Clause 2:

This won’t go over big with the fake-patriot faction, but eff ‘em: conniving swindlers & pumped-up dupes & carpetbaggers….

Fun fact: this kinda takes the mojo out of SCROTUS attempting to make state legislatures sovereign & autonomous (on one level, anyway). “Judges in every state shall be bound thereby; any Thing in the Constitution or laws of any state *notwithstanding*“…given *THAT*, there’s a certain ‘contrarian’ party that should be hearing alarms go off all around them - but they’re whistling too loud

The problem is that the court gets to decide what that means. They kind of overlooked the "well regulated Milita" part of the 2nd.

 

[Bagginski]

they need to federalize a lot of things.

You had me already with this. Boy howdy, do we need to federalize some shit.

THE STATES, for example. Talk about leaving broken shit to the dustbin of history…. But you’ve heard me go on about that.

the states had their chance, and while some of them did a lot of it right, it seems more of them have made shit hash out of self governance.
there has to be a federal framework of guaranteed rights, codified into law.

I’ve been thinking overtime about both these points lately: turns out the anti-Federalists were right: we *DO* need to have our rights laid out, explained and affirmed…and who knows, even THAT might not be enough to preserve them. Historical note: the “anti-Federalists” were not in opposition to a federal government, they were in disagreement with the authors of the Federalist papers on a few points, not the least of which was the matter of expressly and explicitly enshrining rights *as* ‘unalienable’. The Federalists were of course Hamilton, Madison and some few others explaining *why* it was designed this way, and how it was - and is - supposed to work.

To make it stick, it would need to be a second bill of rights, adopted and ratified to amend - can’t just be a law, we’ve seen what happens to them. Maybe set it up as a schedule, a la the drug schedules, let it be added to without amendment, same as?

children need to learn the actual truth, no matter how uncomfortable it makes their racist parents.
domestic terrorist need to be hunted down and punished. make a threat to a teacher, or a government worker, go to jail, and lose the right to ever own a gun or vote.
this needs to be nation wide, no loopholes.
that's just a quick beginning.

Some other thoughts:

- revamp & expand the USPS, give it control of the net backbone, the responsibility to roll out net service to all @ highest speed & lowest cost, oversee net security & defense - the internet. Give them that. Get the Free Software Foundation and the EFF involved. Task them to develop a genuinely secure and anonymized yet traceable/verifiable/credible online voting system by 2030, a legit FB/social media replacement platform by 2035. This will shut down ISPs & ‘algorithm wizards’, sure, but there’s nothing wrong with honest work, I’m sure they’ll do fine.

- National service. Unemployment is down in some ways, not in others, and a common problem is lack of jobs & opportunities for young people starting out. A national not-draft of volunteer socially useful workers, doing everything from running the Senate mail room to keeping national parks in good repair to clerking for & assisting representatives in Congress to historic-site maintenance and upkeep to running public defender offices to serving in the military in times of war to building libraries to repairing bridges to census-taking to research. House them in barracks, feed them in mess halls, get them and keep them healthy, get them thru high school, give them more and more responsibility & opportunity. Expose them to people from all across the nation, like the draft in WW2 did to break down barriers and mindsets thru close-company exposure to other religions, other cultures, other ‘races’ they didn’t feel at home with at first, either.

 

[Bagginski]

The problem is that the court gets to decide what that means. They kind of overlooked the "well regulated Milita" part of the 2nd.

I love the way they strain at tadpoles while swallowing whole frogs…they think it’s so…wholesome

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I see there are moves to put women's rights on the ballot as referendums in a number of red states and it's got the republicans terrified! There are plenty of red states with ballot initiatives and some are amending their state constitutions using this mechanism. So where it is allowed by law and where there is enough time and signatures, I expect referendums might up end the laws in several red states, if not this election cycle then the next one. Places like Kanas and Missouri could have referendums this fall and a lot of republican voters would vote prochoice, along with almost all the democratic ones. So look for plenty of ballot initiatives, where allowed by law and also look for the republicans to try and thwart them by any means they can, fair or foul.

https://www.kansascity.com/opinion/editorials/article262976108.html

A Missouri vote on abortion? Conservatives are terrified of what the voters would say

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

If you look at the charts, you see there is more soft support for the anti abortion position than the pro choice one, that means there is room for the pro choice to gain support in the face of unreasonable abortion laws. I could mean a super majority for pro choice in a few months. It also means disaster for the anti abortion crowd in state referendums because it removes the issue from red blue politics at the voting booth and separates it out as a stand alone issue. Even in red states, I don't think referendums will work out for the antiabortion crowd and it would be a good underhanded way for some republican politicians to get from out under the issue.

Majority of Public Disapproves of Supreme Court’s Decision To Overturn Roe v. Wade

Opinion on the legality of abortion has changed little since before the court's decision, with 62% now saying abortion should be legal in all or most cases.

www.pewresearch.org

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

If abortion is a state matter for now, then that is where the battle must be fought, as well as in the statehouses and congress. Many red states have provisions for binding referendums and you will see them on women's rights where they are allowed by law. A referendum with a simple question would separate out the politics and make it a stand alone ballot initiative. It would allow many to vote for their favorite fascist while side stepping the abortion issue and voting prochoice on the referendum or even state constitutional amendment, to shut the fanatics down for good. The religious lunatics have enemies inside the GOP and abortion is increasingly going to be a losing issue for them and a winning one for the democrats, some might like the idea of getting these assholes off their backs. So, if a state allows a referendum on important issues, then have one protecting women's basic human rights, you might win, in even the reddest of states.

It would also have the benefit of cutting off at the knees the republican senators and congress people from those red states, when it comes to abortion in congress.

 

[HGCC]

You had me already with this. Boy howdy, do we need to federalize some shit.

THE STATES, for example. Talk about leaving broken shit to the dustbin of history…. But you’ve heard me go on about that.


I’ve been thinking overtime about both these points lately: turns out the anti-Federalists were right: we *DO* need to have our rights laid out, explained and affirmed…and who knows, even THAT might not be enough to preserve them. Historical note: the “anti-Federalists” were not in opposition to a federal government, they were in disagreement with the authors of the Federalist papers on a few points, not the least of which was the matter of expressly and explicitly enshrining rights *as* ‘unalienable’. The Federalists were of course Hamilton, Madison and some few others explaining *why* it was designed this way, and how it was - and is - supposed to work.

To make it stick, it would need to be a second bill of rights, adopted and ratified to amend - can’t just be a law, we’ve seen what happens to them. Maybe set it up as a schedule, a la the drug schedules, let it be added to without amendment, same as?


Some other thoughts:

- revamp & expand the USPS, give it control of the net backbone, the responsibility to roll out net service to all @ highest speed & lowest cost, oversee net security & defense - the internet. Give them that. Get the Free Software Foundation and the EFF involved. Task them to develop a genuinely secure and anonymized yet traceable/verifiable/credible online voting system by 2030, a legit FB/social media replacement platform by 2035. This will shut down ISPs & ‘algorithm wizards’, sure, but there’s nothing wrong with honest work, I’m sure they’ll do fine.

- National service. Unemployment is down in some ways, not in others, and a common problem is lack of jobs & opportunities for young people starting out. A national not-draft of volunteer socially useful workers, doing everything from running the Senate mail room to keeping national parks in good repair to clerking for & assisting representatives in Congress to historic-site maintenance and upkeep to running public defender offices to serving in the military in times of war to building libraries to repairing bridges to census-taking to research. House them in barracks, feed them in mess halls, get them and keep them healthy, get them thru high school, give them more and more responsibility & opportunity. Expose them to people from all across the nation, like the draft in WW2 did to break down barriers and mindsets thru close-company exposure to other religions, other cultures, other ‘races’ they didn’t feel at home with at first, either.

The national service one is something I like and have considered, was thinking of it on a smaller scale though and based mostly in cities as they have enough work needing to be done that they can create lots of jobs. I like the national idea much more for that last point you made, we need to shake up the population and make them interact.

I guess it was always an option, but damn, heading to a national park to do upkeep and maintenance work sounds pretty freaking awesome. Granted not as a middle aged dude, but if I was an 18 year old kid in the middle of nothing Indiana that didn't want to join the army that would be a pretty awesome opportunity.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

The national service one is something I like and have considered, was thinking of it on a smaller scale though and based mostly in cities as they have enough work needing to be done that they can create lots of jobs. I like the national idea much more for that last point you made, we need to shake up the population and make them interact.

I guess it was always an option, but damn, heading to a national park to do upkeep and maintenance work sounds pretty freaking awesome. Granted not as a middle aged dude, but if I was an 18 year old kid in the middle of nothing Indiana that didn't want to join the army that would be a pretty awesome opportunity.

It's the same problem as the army, some black female sergeant who can kick their asses and is smarter than them will order them around and that's more than yer typical young fascist can bear. It's why the republicans have no respect for the military or veterans, the US military has been a socially progressive organization for a long time and there are a lot of minorities serving. The same goes for unions, calling a black man brother at a union meeting was too much and unions became socialism to them, because black folks would get some. They had no problem at all fucking themselves, same for the mid west farmers with Trump's tariffs destroying the soybean and corn markets for them, they would vote for him again, even though he fucked them on a whim. They are all at war with America, most are bigots and racists, others have been duped by bullshit culture wars, whipped up by charlatan preachers, foxnews and hate radio.

When people are at war they will make sacrifices, this is illustrated perfectly by closed pool politics, where public swimming pools were closed down all over America, when black people could swim in them too. It's the same idea as burning down their house so the wife and kids can't get it, cut your nose off to spite your face. They have a "greater cause" than their own self interest, constitution, or even religion and refuse to form a caring sharing human community with the "other", the enemy. They did the same thing with their kids and schools by crippling their state's education systems when segregation became illegal, educational standards and financing were district by district or school by school. Property values in neighborhoods became strongly linked to schools and demographics, topics like history and civics were dropped or politically interfered with by fascist politicians.

 

[hanimmal]

https://www.rawstory.com/brett-kavanaugh-dinner/

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

The national service one is something I like and have considered, was thinking of it on a smaller scale though and based mostly in cities as they have enough work needing to be done that they can create lots of jobs. I like the national idea much more for that last point you made, we need to shake up the population and make them interact.

I guess it was always an option, but damn, heading to a national park to do upkeep and maintenance work sounds pretty freaking awesome. Granted not as a middle aged dude, but if I was an 18 year old kid in the middle of nothing Indiana that didn't want to join the army that would be a pretty awesome opportunity.

you all are talking about the C.C.C. from back in the 30s, Roosevelt put all the young men coming back from ww1 to work building roads, bridges, the national park system...it put a lot of people to work, and got some major projects accomplished, i think it would be a great idea, and it should count as public service, like being in the military.

 

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Biden unveils executive order to protect abortion access
President Biden signed an executive order Friday aimed at preserving some access to abortion services, but again acknowledged Congress has ultimate control over the issue right now.

“If you want to change the circumstance for women, and even little girls in this country, please go out and vote,” Biden said.

The executive order builds off some of the administration’s previously announced efforts, and is limited in scope. It provides some incremental measures to protect access to emergency medical care for women who will seek abortions in states that ban it.

Biden unveils executive order to protect abortion access

President Biden signed an executive order Friday aimed at preserving some access to abortion services, but again acknowledged Congress has ultimate control over the issue right now. “If you w…

thehill.com

 

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Biden: Supreme Court Roe decision ‘an exercise in raw political power’
President Biden on Friday took aim at the Supreme Court for its decision to strike down Roe v. Wade last month as he signed an executive order to strengthen abortion access, criticizing the court as “out of control” and taking away the rights of women.

“This was not a decision driven by the Constitution. This was not a decision driven by history,” Biden said in remarks at the White House. “What we’re witnessing wasn’t a constitutional judgment. It was an exercise in raw political power.”

“The court now practically dares the women of America to go to the ballot box and restore the very rights they’ve just taken away,” Biden added.

Biden said the Supreme Court was working with “extremist elements of the Republican Party” as he derided the decision, handed down on June 24, to eliminate the nearly 50-year-old constitutional right to abortion and hand states authority to drastically limit or ban the procedure.

The president argued the Supreme Court had essentially issued a challenge to the American public to go vote in November’s elections for lawmakers who would support codifying the protections of Roe v. Wade into national law.

Biden’s comments marked some of his sharpest criticism of the Supreme Court in the two weeks since the decision from the conservative-majority court. And it came as some members of the Democratic Party have been critical that Biden has not been fiery enough in his response to the rolling back of abortion rights.

The president on Friday signed an executive order aimed at strengthening access to contraceptives and abortion medication, as well as bolstering privacy protections around reproductive health care.

Biden: Supreme Court Roe decision ‘an exercise in raw political power’

President Biden on Friday took aim at the Supreme Court for its decision to strike down Roe v. Wade last month as he signed an executive order to strengthen abortion access, criticizing the court a…

thehill.com

 

[Bagginski]

My dad was (among other things) in the CCC & worked on the Blue Ridge Parkway.

You’re right, it was a starting point for me, but over the decades I scaled it up to see what would happen & had a vision of true “popular government in action” for the first time. At this point I’m working it through to see what snags would interfere with using the idea as a replacement for (the bulk of) the civil service, including much of the active-duty military.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

you all are talking about the C.C.C. from back in the 30s, Roosevelt put all the young men coming back from ww1 to work building roads, bridges, the national park system...it put a lot of people to work, and got some major projects accomplished, i think it would be a great idea, and it should count as public service, like being in the military.

US unemployment is currently at 3.3% and employers are freaking out over not enough workers. Fast food places are slow and stores are shut down here or are open reduced hours, because of staff shortages, jobs have never been as plentiful since the sixties. So government employment programs are a no for now, here and in America!

Unemployment is very low, Joe got Vlad by the nuts, the economy is roaring and the price of gas is dropping, yet Biden can do nothing right and trump couldn't fuck up enough, even killing hundreds of thousands of citizens with stupidity and incompetence. If the dumb fuck never caught covid (and tried to give it to Biden during the debate) he would probably have won the election FFS. The economy crashed under Trump and covid FFS and who can forget Clorox and UV light dildos, nuking hurricanes and weather map sharpies. Donald's support would fall back 10 points after the latest debacle, then two weeks later magically rise again. His support fell after the insurrection, but has since bounced back from sedition and treason.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

US unemployment is currently at 3.3% and employers are freaking out over not enough workers. Fast food places are slow and stores are shut down here or are open reduced hours, because of staff shortages, jobs have never been as plentiful since the sixties. So government employment programs are a no for now, here and in America!

Unemployment is very low, Joe got Vlad by the nuts, the economy is roaring and the price of gas is dropping, yet Biden can do nothing right and trump couldn't fuck up enough, even killing hundreds of thousands of citizens with stupidity and incompetence. If the dumb fuck never caught covid (and tried to give it to Biden during the debate) he would probably have won the election FFS. The economy crashed under Trump and covid FFS and who can forget Clorox and UV light dildos, nuking hurricanes and weather map sharpies. Donald's support would fall back 10 points after the latest debacle, then two weeks later magically rise again. His support fell after the insurrection, but has since bounced back from sedition and treason.

recession looms, i see stories of planned layoff daily....the job market is strong right now, next year?...who knows

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

recession looms, i see stories of planned layoff daily....the job market is strong right now, next year?...who knows

As long as it stays strong until November and gas prices come down, which they are thanks to Biden's policies.

Generally speaking, I come from a high unemployment area and when coal, steel and fishing shut down in the 80's unemployment was 40% here in CB and many including myself had to leave. Now there are east Indians and Asians working many of the fast food and retail jobs. Some are from the local university, who cater to foreign students, we started getting poorer folks when the Saudi students left because we called them assholes! They never worked in the communities, didn't have to, the new bunch are ambitious and taking jobs while going to school. If it wasn't for these immigrants the local McDonald's would probably close down or be open reduced hours along with other retail businesses. This spring local business people from various communities were worried about a chronic staff shortages to work the tourist trade.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

As long as it stays strong until November and gas prices come down, which they are thanks to Biden's policies.

Generally speaking, I come from a high unemployment area and when coal, steel and fishing shut down in the 80's unemployment was 40% here in CB and many including myself had to leave. Now there are east Indians and Asians working many of the fast food and retail jobs. Some are from the local university, who cater to foreign students, we started getting poorer folks when the Saudi students left because we called them assholes! They never worked in the communities, didn't have to, the new bunch are ambitious and taking jobs while going to school. If it wasn't for these immigrants the local McDonald's would probably close down or be open reduced hours along with other retail businesses. This spring local business people from various communities were worried about a chronic staff shortages to work the tourist trade.

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/15/coinbase-tesla-compass-layoffs-what-to-do-if-you-face-job-loss.html

https://fortune.com/2022/07/08/layoffs-recession-most-bosses-managers-planning-great-resignation-inflation/

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/07/jobless-claims-edge-up-to-highest-since-january-trade-deficit-hits-2022-low.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/07/gamestop-cfo-is-leaving-the-company-retailer-announces-layoffs.html

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/novartis-restructuring-layoffs-switzerland/626265/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2022/07/06/the-new-era-of-layoffs-hiring-freezes-stock-and-crypto-market-crashes/?sh=77475c8696df

when i say i see stories, i'm not kidding...

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/06/15/coinbase-tesla-compass-layoffs-what-to-do-if-you-face-job-loss.html

https://fortune.com/2022/07/08/layoffs-recession-most-bosses-managers-planning-great-resignation-inflation/

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/07/jobless-claims-edge-up-to-highest-since-january-trade-deficit-hits-2022-low.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/07/07/gamestop-cfo-is-leaving-the-company-retailer-announces-layoffs.html

https://www.biopharmadive.com/news/novartis-restructuring-layoffs-switzerland/626265/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackkelly/2022/07/06/the-new-era-of-layoffs-hiring-freezes-stock-and-crypto-market-crashes/?sh=77475c8696df

when i say i see stories, i'm not kidding...

Well, only Trump can fix it!