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harris hawk

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drop SEEDS not bombs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here is a breeder in the Ukraine "Plantamaster" checked out his strains on Seedfinders.eu went to the site to order and it was under repair - has anyone here grew plantamaster before he jhas some excellant landrance/herilom strains. need to check it out !! support Ukraine buy Seeds !!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The thing is though, each MLRS system can take out the rear C&C, logistics and support of a BTG with a reload. The Russians have about 100 BTGs left, though they have been bringing in untrained reserves when they can dragoon them, T80 and T62 junk. Use a couple of MLRSs and a couple of reloads on 5 ton trucks and they can punch through several BTGs and get into their rear creating havoc among forces with dead leadership, poor training and communications. They would use artillery, drones and armored assaults supported by infantry on the layered defenses up front, while the MLRS took out the rear support and reserves.

It will have to wait until the equipment arrives and is deployed with units and perhaps other forces are trained too. Meanwhile the Russians are attacking and getting chewed up, not as many as we would like and it's far too close a thing and far too costly for the Ukrainians IMHO. We will see how many MLRS reloads Uncle Sam gives them, but a tractor trailer with a flat bed could haul quite a few reloads I imagine and they must have plenty prepositioned in Europe already.
there is an enemy present, and while they have been pretty incompetent so far, they're not all total fools. they're going to have to get shit situated, and they're going to have to do it as weather allows, so the russians can't watch everything they do on satellite. they have to bring in tons of ammunition..literally TONS of it, the video you just posted says a transport plane can carry 140 tons. each 6 rocket pod weighs 2.5 tons, and they can fire one off every 5 minutes, if they don't have to move.
that's 30 tons of rockets per hour...and they can carry 56 rocket pods per plane, which is about one days worth of ammunition for a couple of launchers, that they then have to covertly move from Poland into Ukraine, then into hidden storage that is still accessible from the fighting...
the only problem with using semis to move the missile pods is that they are limited to decent roadways, and the russians surely have the coordinates of those close to hand, and the closer you get to the fighting, the worse the roads will get. so if they make it to the fight, they have to have a shielded place they can transfer the rocket pods, that each weigh 2.5 tons, from the trucks to the hemtt vehicles that carry the extra rockets for the mlrs...
that is a fucking logistical nightmare, and if the russians get lucky one time, they can wipe out days worth of work delivering it all...
 

DIY-HP-LED

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there is an enemy present, and while they have been pretty incompetent so far, they're not all total fools. they're going to have to get shit situated, and they're going to have to do it as weather allows, so the russians can't watch everything they do on satellite. they have to bring in tons of ammunition..literally TONS of it, the video you just posted says a transport plane can carry 140 tons. each 6 rocket pod weighs 2.5 tons, and they can fire one off every 5 minutes, if they don't have to move.
that's 30 tons of rockets per hour...and they can carry 56 rocket pods per plane, which is about one days worth of ammunition for a couple of launchers, that they then have to covertly move from Poland into Ukraine, then into hidden storage that is still accessible from the fighting...
the only problem with using semis to move the missile pods is that they are limited to decent roadways, and the russians surely have the coordinates of those close to hand, and the closer you get to the fighting, the worse the roads will get. so if they make it to the fight, they have to have a shielded place they can transfer the rocket pods, that each weigh 2.5 tons, from the trucks to the hemtt vehicles that carry the extra rockets for the mlrs...
that is a fucking logistical nightmare, and if the russians get lucky one time, they can wipe out days worth of work delivering it all...
The point is not many of them are required, each Russian BTG is a self contained fighting unit with armor, infantry, AA support and about 8 artillery pieces on average and contain about 600 to 1000 people, about 30% who are infantry. Destroy 3 BTGs at your front and you can breakthrough to their rear and toll them up. So a couple of MLRSs with good intelligence on where the Russians are at the rear can take out their artillery and allow an advance across open ground or down highways. MLRS will focus mostly on C&C, their supporting artillery, fuel and ammo dumps at the rear of the BTG and it's neighbors. A common 5 ton truck can transport them to the front. We are not talking about large numbers of rocket pods here, a hundred or two could do the job, along with regular artillery, drones for air support and recon. Take out their artillery support and they don't fight very well and if they have no fuel they are sitting ducks in useless equipment.
 

printer

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The Ukraine war response is fast becoming Biden’s second blunder
The precipitous and chaotic American abandonment of Afghanistan, without proper consultation and support for allies, less than a year ago was a great shock to the NATO alliance, raising grave doubts about the judgment, stability and reliability of the U.S. as leader of the free world. The resulting cracks in the alliance were only papered over by the blunt truth that our allies had nowhere to go outside the security umbrella provided by the U.S. under Article 5.

Now, in the rapidly changing landscape of the Ukraine war, we are seeing ominous signs that the U.S. may be leading NATO in the direction of an even worse strategic humiliation — one that can result in a dramatic reconfiguration of the world’s geopolitical structure.


Conservative Thought at Colorado Christian University?

Really. Wonder what Jesus would think of old William?
 

printer

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The point is not many of them are required, each Russian BTG is a self contained fighting unit with armor, infantry, AA support and about 8 artillery pieces on average and contain about 600 to 1000 people, about 30% who are infantry. Destroy 3 BTGs at your front and you can breakthrough to their rear and toll them up. So a couple of MLRSs with good intelligence on where the Russians are at the rear can take out their artillery and allow an advance across open ground or down highways. MLRS will focus mostly on C&C, their supporting artillery, fuel and ammo dumps at the rear of the BTG and it's neighbors. A common 5 ton truck can transport them to the front. We are not talking about large numbers of rocket pods here, a hundred or two could do the job, along with regular artillery, drones for air support and recon. Take out their artillery support and they don't fight very well and if they have no fuel they are sitting ducks in useless equipment.
OK tinkerbell. The Russians are tossing 20,000 a day. And they would not notice the hundred trips back and forth bringing in rockets?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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OK tinkerbell. The Russians are tossing 20,000 a day. And they would not notice the hundred trips back and forth bringing in rockets?
They can't hit anything behind the Ukrainian lines with precision now, much less a moving truck along with thousands of other tons of shit moving a day. They only need to feed less than 10 MLRS units and since they are precision munitions, they are not used to blanket an area with a salvo, though they can. There are always problems with logistics in war and these things expend one pod, and move on to the next location while picking up another pod on the way. If used wisely, they could make a big difference, particularly if the Russians are not quick to adapt. Their purpose is to take out the support at the rear including artillery and each BTG has on average 8 pieces. Break a few adjacent BTGs and you can breakthrough, provided you can also neutralize tactical air support, if any shows up.

It ain't magic, it logistics, hard work, enough of the right weapons and smart tactics, along with a lot of blood. We've been pouring a lot of shit into Ukraine and it must be killing a lot of Russians, not enough IMHO, but enough to rip the Russians a new one.

A long slow war of attrition will make some of the Europeans squirm, if they want to shorten the war, there is an easy way to do it. However a short war would mean Germany buying Russian oil tomorrow and France trying to sell them shit the day after. If you want them screwed, make it a long war, wear them down and sooner or later sanctions will bite really hard. When all the western technology and shit they bought abroad with oil money starts to break down, wear out and needs spare parts.

Eastern Europe is pro Ukrainian and wants the Russian threat destroyed, other European countries want to go back to normal and forget everything while selling Ukraine down the river. Europe is very much divided on this and Uncle Sam is doing a balance act while orchestrating and supporting the strangulation of Russia and the destruction of their military power. Stabbing Ukraine in the back would not be popular among large segments of the population, the military or the intelligence and national security communities. They know we have Vlad by the balls and it would be unwise to let go.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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OK tinkerbell. The Russians are tossing 20,000 a day. And they would not notice the hundred trips back and forth bringing in rockets?
i'm still very very interested in how large that fucking stockpile of missiles and artillery shells is. no matter how large, it is finite, and they're making huge dents in it daily...how long can they throw 20 or 30 thousand shells and rockets a day? they can't replace them, at least in nothing like they way they could before sanctions.
it's been about 120 days since the war started...if they have used 15,000 a day on average (to be conservative) that's 1.8 million so far.
they can make their own powder, and i guess it's not that difficult to cast artillery shells, but they can't replace the rockets they're firing, they don't have the parts for most of them, and can't get them in meaningful numbers. they can't keep it up for ever...i don't think they can keep it up till the end of summer...4 more months is another 1.8 million. was their stockpile of missiles and shells over 3.6 million?
 

printer

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i'm still very very interested in how large that fucking stockpile of missiles and artillery shells is. no matter how large, it is finite, and they're making huge dents in it daily...how long can they throw 20 or 30 thousand shells and rockets a day? they can't replace them, at least in nothing like they way they could before sanctions.
it's been about 120 days since the war started...if they have used 15,000 a day on average (to be conservative) that's 1.8 million so far.
they can make their own powder, and i guess it's not that difficult to cast artillery shells, but they can't replace the rockets they're firing, they don't have the parts for most of them, and can't get them in meaningful numbers. they can't keep it up for ever...i don't think they can keep it up till the end of summer...4 more months is another 1.8 million. was their stockpile of missiles and shells over 3.6 million?
I used to work in a plant that made rockets. Aluminum tube, we had a graphite nozzle but the Americans used aluminum. You mix fertilizer (ammonium nitrate) with a plastic and there, you have your rocket motor which you can put on whatever warhead you want. The mixing of the plastic with the fertilizer has to be done properly, our production buildings were separated from each other and a large berm around each just in case one building exploded. So for dumb rockets that light off a dozen at a time there is not a lot of high tech going on. Russia is probably the biggest exporter of fertilizer, doubt they will be a shortage. They also is one of the biggest aluminum exporter, I am betting they manufacture their own tubes. More expensive than manufacturing a shell and propellant but the do a different job than the shells. I would bet the plants they have in Russia are going all out making them.
 

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Lucky Luke

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The Oslo peace accord was to lead to peace and Clinton had them at Camp David to finish the deal.
They still were taken From South Africa and given to Israel. Was it? How did that work out? More stealing of Palestine?
 
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Lucky Luke

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You are going to love this.

European leaders still can’t shake the urge to appease Russia
It felt like a historic occasion when the leaders of Europe’s largest states, Germany, Italy and France, finally visited Kyiv on Thursday. Air raid sirens howled as their night train pulled into the Ukrainian capital. French President Emmanuel Macron spoke of “a message of European unity”. But behind the warm words, there was also plenty of cold calculation as Europe’s leaders push to end the war as soon as possible.

Since Russia invaded Ukraine in February, none of the European Union heavyweights had seen fit to visit Ukraine. Macron, who boasted that he has spent “at least a hundred hours” on the phone with Vladimir Putin, declared that he would travel to Kyiv only if he felt it was “useful”. German Chancellor Olaf Scholz spoke dismissively of not wanting to “join the queue of people who do a quick in-and-out for a photo opportunity”.

But the Thursday visit didn’t turn out to be particularly “useful” to Ukraine, which has been pleading desperately for more weapons; nor was it much more than a photo op. Apart from six additional howitzers from France, all the European leaders offered was support for Ukraine’s bid to become a member of the E.U. at some point in the future.

Fancy that eh...
 

Lucky Luke

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maybe Finland wants to stay neutral, but is afraid that if they do, they'll be next on putin's lunch platter?
then why not a little Sweden for dessert? i mean, we're already in Finland, might as well, it's right next door...:finger:
Well Finland did steal Sweden's Åland archipelago when Finland was aligned with the nazis. Perhaps they should give them back?

Its all just invisible lines on a map that get scrubbed out and redrawn all through human history.


As for International brands finding their way back in and avoiding sanctions 13 1/2 mins in
 
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Lucky Luke

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7 June 2022
Cost of living, Data, Expatriate management, Inflation
  • A 20% rent increase cements London’s position within top five most expensive cities in the world, while a 12% increase in rental costs sees New York overtake Geneva to secure second place
  • Food prices soar across the globe due in part to shortages created by the war in Ukraine, but worst is unfortunately yet to come for UK
  • Sunflower and palm oil shortages drive up cost of cooking oils by a quarter on average globally*, and by more than double in Beirut, Tehran and Sarajevo -compared to a 4% annual increase in the UK
  • Petrol prices climbed on average 37% y-o-y across all cities, compared to a 23% rise in London. The world’s most expensive petrol is still found in Hong Kong, at £2.26 per litre – up from £1.87 last year
  • Russian cities remain stable in ranking despite sanctions. Prices soar by 17% in Moscow, but city falls one place to 62nd globally due to weak rouble
  • Rising prices and a stronger currency push Luanda, Angola, up 108 places in the cost of living ranking
  • Ranked in 207th place, Ankara, Turkey is now the cheapest city in the world for expats and tourists, after falling 5 places from 2021.



Who are the sanctions and this war actually hurting?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/return-industrial-warfare
the veracity of this source is unconfirmed, but it's the first actual mention of the number of artillery shells being fired daily that i have seen.
Dumb shells and rockets, even in volume, are not hard to make. For shells round stock steel, a drop forge and a lathe are required for most of it, these days CNC controlled. Fuzes are simple circuit boards with low end processors these days and can be set to delay, impact or proximity, using a cellphone and bluetooth with an app. The only thing special you need to make rocket motors is a vacuum mold to remove the bubbles from the propellent before it sets into hard rubber. The rest is a metal pipe, folding fins, machined nozzle, warhead, fuze and nose cone.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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Well Finland did steal Sweden's Åland archipelago when Finland was aligned with the nazis. Perhaps they should give them back?

Its all just invisible lines on a map that get scrubbed out and redrawn all through human history.


As for International brands finding their way back in and avoiding sanctions 13 1/2 mins in
that's fucking stolen Ukrainian flour. they try to steal their sea port, they try to steal their gas and oil, they try to steal their lives, and now they're stealing the food out of their mouths...russia just sinks lower and lower every time they open their mouths...to put stolen Ukrainian food in them
god damn filthy fuckers
 
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