Fuck it/Enough is Enough

[mooray]

I didn't take offense to it, I questioned the validity of the claim.

You said, "you Americans need to get over this race thing" and that's not a questioning of validity, which is ironic considering how softly is was brought up. It started as just a question, then it was suggested as playing a role. It was your reaction to that which made race a big deal in this thread. You complained about a problem while creating said problem.

 

[JamieThePainter]

You said, "you Americans need to get over this race thing" and that's not a questioning of validity, which is ironic considering how softly is was brought up. It started as just a question, then it was suggested as playing a role. It was your reaction to that which made race a big deal in this thread. You complained about a problem while creating said problem.

What a load of bollocks.

 

[JamieThePainter]

Hey man, if you want to hold a delusional belief that most people in the Western World gave a fuck about the civilians being killed for decades in Iraq at the hands of the Western Governments, I am not going to change that for you no matter what evidence I present. You are obviously cemented firmly in your opinions.

And if you want to live in the delusion that all white are racists, you can wire in pal lol

 

[PJ Diaz]

And if you want to live in the delusion that all white are racists, you can wire in pal lol

I don't believe that though, and never implied that I do.

 

[JamieThePainter]

Yes you did. /thread

 

[mooray]

Ironically, it's all he can see.

 

[JamieThePainter]

Ironically,

Do you even know what that word means? You use it in a lot of places where it has no business being. As well as grossly misrepresenting the way this discussion has went.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Yes you did. /thread

Show me where.

 

[JamieThePainter]

No, it's up to you to prove that you didn't. Or something like that. Still trying to understand the logic of this place.

 

[PJ Diaz]

No, it's up to you to prove that you didn't. Or something like that. Still trying to understand the logic of this place.

You already confused me with someone else once today, so I'll just assume that you did it again.

 

[Jimdamick]

I said kill them all , no prisoners when they first started killing civilians. Someone smarter than me explained why they weren’t. Im still with you. Not sure if their mind has changed.

Hey,
Warfare is fucking warfare.
Armies wage against another Armies, not civilians.
Only the depraved attack civilians/non-combatants/children.
They broke the fucking rules, if there is such a thing, which means open fucking season to me now on Russian troops.
Treat them the same way as they have treated the Ukrainians, with NO FUCKING MERCY.
Teach the Autocrats/Dictators a lesson they will not forget.
If you abuse your citizens, this is your future, which is Ukraine right now.




Fucking DESTROY THEM.
Nato/EU/USA have the capability, right fucking now!!!
What the fuck are we waiting for?
Simple solution (yea, it actually is)
Kill every Russian that steps foot out of their country in Ukraine.
Fucking do it.

 

[cannabineer]

Yep, but this is a discussion that happened within the thread. Someone claimed that the west only cared about Ukraine because they were white. I came on to say that this was not the case. Then you arrive to call my view binary or whatever. Good stuff.


And FYI, the thread was born today.

You stated it unsupported. I don’t believe you.

Also, who claimed the west cared about Ukraine only because they’re white? Link to unredacted post.

 

[cannabineer]

You said, "you Americans need to get over this race thing" and that's not a questioning of validity, which is ironic considering how softly is was brought up. It started as just a question, then it was suggested as playing a role. It was your reaction to that which made race a big deal in this thread. You complained about a problem while creating said problem.

This one is a rage troll trying to feed on local anger, and a particularly stupid one. And it has the arrogant gall to tell us to do its homework for it.

 

[PJ Diaz]

Hey,
Warfare is fucking warfare.
Armies wage against another Armies, not civilians.
Only the depraved attack civilians/non-combatants/children.
They broke the fucking rules, if there is such a thing, which means open fucking season to me now on Russian troops.
Treat them the same way as they have treated the Ukrainians, with NO FUCKING MERCY.
Teach the Autocrats/Dictators a lesson they will not forget.
If you abuse your citizens, this is your future, which is Ukraine right now.

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Fucking DESTROY THEM.
Nato/EU/USA have the capability, right fucking now!!!
What the fuck are we waiting for?
Simple solution (yea, it actually is)
Kill every Russian that steps foot out of their country in Ukraine.
Fucking do it.

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

 

[mooray]

An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

At the same time, you can't be a floormat. I do think that anyone that's lost a child/spouse/parent/sibling from Putin's war, is pretty much clear to take anyone from him.

 

[PJ Diaz]

At the same time, you can't be a floormat. I do think that anyone that's lost a child/spouse/parent/sibling from Putin's war, is pretty much clear to take anyone from him.

I'm not opposed to self-defense.

 

[mooray]

I'm not opposed to self-defense.

Well, self-defense is extremely time sensitive. If someone punches you and runs 100ft away before you know what happened, then you chase him down and punch him back, it's not self-defense. What would you think if there were a family down the street that didn't like your family for whatever reason and one of them killed someone in your family and there are no police/whatever services available to deal with it. Would you have the moral right to take something from them? It's a genuine question, I like the point of the blind quote, which I think is more about not getting lost in rage. At the same time, people are animals too and if you do nothing, it's the same as asking for more. It's an unfortunately reality.

 

[cannabineer]

Well, self-defense is extremely time sensitive. If someone punches you and runs 100ft away before you know what happened, then you chase him down and punch him back, it's not self-defense. What would you think if there were a family down the street that didn't like your family for whatever reason and one of them killed someone in your family and there are no police/whatever services available to deal with it. Would you have the moral right to take something from them? It's a genuine question, I like the point of the blind quote, which I think is more about not getting lost in rage. At the same time, people are animals too and if you do nothing, it's the same as asking for more. It's an unfortunately reality.

If chasing and punching him stops any further bullying from him, the self-defense argument has some merit. Hit and run is assault and battery.

Your second scenario is much thornier. It tends to turn into Hatfields and McCoys.

 

[mooray]

Yeahhhhh but that almost gets into the "are we really here??" level of philosophy. For all intents and purposes while remaining connected to the practice of it today, self-defense must happen "in the moment".

 

[cannabineer]

No, it's up to you to prove that you didn't. Or something like that. Still trying to understand the logic of this place.

That is what makes you such an execrable troll. You have never been to college; one of the first things they teach you is that you must back your arguments from the peer-reviewed literature. Your inversion of that is meritless.