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DIY-HP-LED

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Only a few seconds of it but I would like to know more of the unmanned fighter jet.
I saw that too, would need a lot of AI, of course it could just chase them around the sky like a sidewinder using high G maneuvers to fire sidewinders at them or even shoot them down with a gun. It would need to be an autonomous robot for extended periods at least, a killing machine with a mind of it's own. If that is what the Turks have, I imagine Uncle Sam has something better, it also looked stealth.
 

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I saw that too, would need a lot of AI, of course it could just chase them around the sky like a sidewinder using high G maneuvers to fire sidewinders at them or even shoot them down with a gun. It would need to be an autonomous robot for extended periods at least, a killing machine with a mind of it's own. If that is what the Turks have, I imagine Uncle Sam has something better, it also looked stealth.
I wonder how much lag a person with a heads up display sitting in a bunker would have? Might not be great for the US in the Sea of China with a guy sitting in Arizona but a guy sitting on an aircraft carrier there might be workable. For Turkey and their own back yard it makes perfect sense. They said the last generation of fighters will be the last with a person in the plane, might be sooner than we think.
 

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awee the russian are a little upset......aweeee

Turkey gets 90% of it's grain from Ukraine and they are a better bet than Russia for Erdogan's pet canal project, both for financing from the west and container traffic through the black sea shortcut to Europe. If Ukraine wins they will own much of the northern coast and much of the sea of Azov too. A military alliance between Turkey and Ukraine would control the Black sea completely, with Russia owning part of the east coast only. If Vlad doesn't sign a peace and Ukraine wins they will control the sea of Azov and most of the black sea, what naval forces Vlad has there will be sunk or stuck in port. This would be a huge humiliation for Vlad.
 
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I wonder how much lag a person with a heads up display sitting in a bunker would have? Might not be great for the US in the Sea of China with a guy sitting in Arizona but a guy sitting on an aircraft carrier there might be workable. For Turkey and their own back yard it makes perfect sense. They said the last generation of fighters will be the last with a person in the plane, might be sooner than we think.
A typical analog FPV system has a latency of around 25ms (if I remember correctly) and new encrypted digital systems are almost that fast too. It is reported that the starlink satellite system has very low latency as well. To a human it's real time or close enough.
 

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Turkey gets 90% of it's grain from Ukraine and they are a better bet than Russia for Erdogan's pet canal project, both for financing from the west and traffic container traffic through the black sea shortcut to Europe. If Ukraine wins they will own much of the northern coast and much of the sea of Azov too. A military alliance between Turkey and Ukraine would control the Black sea completely, with Russia owning part of the east coast only. If Vlad doesn't sign a peace and Ukraine wins they will control the sea of Azov and most of the black sea, what naval forces Vlad has there will be sunk or stuck in port. This would be a huge humiliation for Vlad.
Ukraine does not have a tenth of Russia's naval capacity. I doubt Russia will be driven out.
 

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A typical analog FPV system has a latency of around 25ms (if I remember correctly) and new encrypted digital systems are almost that fast too. It is reported that the starlink satellite system has very low latency as well. To a human it's real time or close enough.
Just looked up and one report said 20-88 ms.

Kind of sucks if you are looking for meteors though.

 
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Ukraine does not have a tenth of Russia's naval capacity. I doubt Russia will be driven out.
How much do they have in the black sea? They have to go with what they've got, for as long as there is a war, Turkey won't let any more in. After the war, a bilateral military alliance between Turkey and Ukraine is possible, Poland too, no NATO involvement. America makes bilateral defense alliances outside NATO too. Vlad screwed himself strategically in the Black sea if he loses this war and whether he signs a peace or not. Turkey no longer fears Russia and their canal is a high priority project, they control access to the Black sea.
 

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Just looked up and one report said 20-88 ms.

Kind of sucks if you are looking for meteors though.

I don't like it either and more systems are going up, China is planning their own. With more satellites latency will steadily improve along with reception. Musk says the latency will get down to 20ms! Soon the stars will be blinking like strobe lights. With their military utility, Uncle Sam and the DoD will be all in and will need control too, it's way too dangerous not to.
 

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Turkey’s unmanned fighter jet hits production line


Turkey’s drone magnate Baykar on Saturday announced it has reached a new phase in its unmanned combat aircraft project, unveiling that the first prototype has entered the production line.
"A larger and more agile fish has entered the production line three and a half years later," Selçuk Bayraktar, the chief technology officer (CTO) at the drone maker, said on Twitter.
Bayraktar was referring to the period when Baykar started manufacturing its landmark combat drone Akıncı, dubbed "the flying fish."
The National Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle System (MIUS) has been named Kızılelma ("red apple"), Bayraktar said, referring to an expression in Turkish mythology that symbolizes goals, ideas or dreams that are far away, but are more attractive the further that distance may be.
The first prototype was earlier said to be expected to make its maiden flight in 2023, if not before.

MUIS will be jet-powered and is expected to be capable of taking off from and landing on Turkey’s flagship-to-be amphibious assault ship TCG Anadolu.
The landing helicopter dock (LHD) type ship is said to be the first of its kind in the world as a vessel that allows the landing of unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAVs) on its dock.
It will be used in multipurpose operations and is set to be delivered this year.
Baykar is currently working on the Bayraktar TB3 UCAV, an upgraded version of the company’s famed Bayraktar TB2.
MIUS and TB3 will both extend Turkey’s drone capabilities from land-based to naval operations as they will both be able to take off from TCG Anadolu.
The autonomously maneuvering MIUS will be capable of operating in tandem with piloted aircraft, and may carry air-to-air missiles, the company says.
"With the 5th generation fighters, the world is witnessing the end of manned fighters. No new manned combat aircraft will be developed. Unmanned systems will increasingly become the strongest elements on the battlefield in the future," Bayraktar earlier said.
"We are also trying to ensure our country’s presence in future competition," he added.
The unmanned fighter jet is projected to conduct a multitude of military actions, such as strategic offensives, close air support (CAS), missile offensives, suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD) and destruction of enemy air defenses (DEAD).
Baykar in November signed a contract with Ivchenko-Progress, one of the leading Ukrainian companies for the procurement of engines for the MIUS. Ivchenko-Progress was projected to supply the AI-322F Turbofan engine for the jet under the agreement.
The aircraft is set to feature a high operational altitude and takeoff weight of 5,500 kilograms (12,125 pounds). It is envisaged to carry 1.5 tons of useful payload.
It is projected to be capable of flying for five hours and reaching speeds of up to 800 kph (500 mph or Mach 0.64).



TCG Anadolu.

 

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How much do they have in the black sea? They have to go with what they've got, for as long as there is a war, Turkey won't let any more in. After the war, a bilateral military alliance between Turkey and Ukraine is possible, Poland too, no NATO involvement. America makes bilateral defense alliances outside NATO too. Vlad screwed himself strategically in the Black sea if he loses this war and whether he signs a peace or not. Turkey no longer fears Russia and their canal is a high priority project, they control access to the Black sea.
Turkey is obligated to let the Russian ships that are based there to let them in. Turkey will straddle between Russia and Nato until Russia falls. Doubt that will happen (them falling) but one can hope.
 

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DIY-HP-LED

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Turkey’s unmanned fighter jet hits production line


Turkey’s drone magnate Baykar on Saturday announced it has reached a new phase in its unmanned combat aircraft project, unveiling that the first prototype has entered the production line.
"A larger and more agile fish has entered the production line three and a half years later," Selçuk Bayraktar, the chief technology officer (CTO) at the drone maker, said on Twitter.
Bayraktar was referring to the period when Baykar started manufacturing its landmark combat drone Akıncı, dubbed "the flying fish."
The National Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicle System (MIUS) has been named Kızılelma ("red apple"), Bayraktar said, referring to an expression in Turkish mythology that symbolizes goals, ideas or dreams that are far away, but are more attractive the further that distance may be.
The first prototype was earlier said to be expected to make its maiden flight in 2023, if not before.

MUIS will be jet-powered and is expected to be capable of taking off from and landing on Turkey’s flagship-to-be amphibious assault ship TCG Anadolu.
The landing helicopter dock (LHD) type ship is said to be the first of its kind in the world as a vessel that allows the landing of unmanned combat aerial vehicles (UCAVs) on its dock.
It will be used in multipurpose operations and is set to be delivered this year.
Baykar is currently working on the Bayraktar TB3 UCAV, an upgraded version of the company’s famed Bayraktar TB2.
MIUS and TB3 will both extend Turkey’s drone capabilities from land-based to naval operations as they will both be able to take off from TCG Anadolu.
The autonomously maneuvering MIUS will be capable of operating in tandem with piloted aircraft, and may carry air-to-air missiles, the company says.
"With the 5th generation fighters, the world is witnessing the end of manned fighters. No new manned combat aircraft will be developed. Unmanned systems will increasingly become the strongest elements on the battlefield in the future," Bayraktar earlier said.
"We are also trying to ensure our country’s presence in future competition," he added.
The unmanned fighter jet is projected to conduct a multitude of military actions, such as strategic offensives, close air support (CAS), missile offensives, suppression of enemy air defenses (SEAD) and destruction of enemy air defenses (DEAD).
Baykar in November signed a contract with Ivchenko-Progress, one of the leading Ukrainian companies for the procurement of engines for the MIUS. Ivchenko-Progress was projected to supply the AI-322F Turbofan engine for the jet under the agreement.
The aircraft is set to feature a high operational altitude and takeoff weight of 5,500 kilograms (12,125 pounds). It is envisaged to carry 1.5 tons of useful payload.
It is projected to be capable of flying for five hours and reaching speeds of up to 800 kph (500 mph or Mach 0.64).



TCG Anadolu.

Where are the wings? I see no intakes for vertical lift and from the picture the thing looks more like a stealth cruise missile. Judging from the picture that thing would need to be going near 200 MPH just to stay in the air. They could solid rocket launch it, but landing it would be an issue! Dunno about that one, no wings, no fly from my experience, a lifting body won't do.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Turkey is obligated to let the Russian ships that are based there to let them in. Turkey will straddle between Russia and Nato until Russia falls. Doubt that will happen (them falling) but one can hope.
As long as there is a war, Turkey can block Russian warships and already has. Ukraine could not control the Black sea without an agreement from Turkey and a bilateral military alliance and that can come with a peace treaty. The point is to open up trade mostly on the west side, not control the Black sea, unless required. Ships there are vulnerable to shore launched anti ship missiles and some have a very long reach.
 

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Turkey is obligated to let the Russian ships that are based there to let them in. Turkey will straddle between Russia and Nato until Russia falls. Doubt that will happen (them falling) but one can hope.
What I'm talking about in the Black sea is only possible, if Ukraine wins back Crimea and more or less ejects the Russians from the country. If they blow the bridge at Kerch and take back Mariupol, it will change the strategic situation in the Black sea and that will upset Russia and lead to Vlad's demise quicker. This war is gonna shake things up in Europe and the surrounding areas a lot over the next few years, if Vlad looses, it will be a different world. Europe will have a lot more access to the black sea for containers, oil and LNG tankers (the canal takes them away from Istanbul) from Asia and the middle east, saving thousands of sea miles. This canal project for Erdogan is like the conquest of Ukraine is for Vlad.
 

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Where are the wings? I see no intakes for vertical lift and from the picture the thing looks more like a stealth cruise missile. Judging from the picture that thing would need to be going near 200 MPH just to stay in the air. They could solid rocket launch it, but landing it would be an issue! Dunno about that one, no wings, no fly from my experience, a lifting body won't do.
The wings are not attached yet.
Where are the wings? I see no intakes for vertical lift and from the picture the thing looks more like a stealth cruise missile. Judging from the picture that thing would need to be going near 200 MPH just to stay in the air. They could solid rocket launch it, but landing it would be an issue! Dunno about that one, no wings, no fly from my experience, a lifting body won't do.


 
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