War

[Roger A. Shrubber]

If the Ukrainians kick Vlad out of Ukraine including Crimea, he will want to hide behind his borders and lob missiles at Kyiv like Hitler did in WW2. It needs to be understood that the Ukrainians can and will go after them and other targets on Russian territory near the border to humiliate Vlad until he gives up or is removed from power. It is a sign of the growing confidence the Ukrainians have in their growing military power and the Russians diminishing power as they are being worn down and destroyed. If they win they will have millions of trained men and a ton of captured Russian equipment and lot's of arms and other equipment left over. Not to mention all that Russian money. So unless Vlad wants to raise an army of several million men to defend Russia from Ukrainian attacks and more to try and take the place, he'd better learn to suck it up. All these guys will return to civilian jobs except for the core army, but they can all be recalled instantly and reequipped from local armories and train like national guard periodically. Then there are the 19 year old's who can be conscripts ready for training. Once the war is over, more and better arms will flow into Ukraine, planes and modern AA systems, a black sea fleet from Uncle Sam's mothballed extra ships, modern tanks etc. Thanks for the cash Vlad the arms dealers of America should give you a thank you card, or send candy or something to show their appreciation for the business from NATO and Ukraine.

as much as i admire the Ukrainians as fighters, willing to die to protect their homes and families, they had a lot of social issues before putin invaded. i'd really like to see them commit to cleaning up the corruption and racism that seems to be a large problem for them, before we kit them out with all modern equipment. Their government may be completely honest and uncorrupted, (may be) but all it takes is a few shady people in the supply chain for a lot of very dangerous ordinance to go "missing"...

 

[cannabineer]

One of the three Slav words I know. Years ago, my dad, his brother and sister went in on a boat to water ski. Families took turns on the weekends and of course it went with us when we did a family camp. My dad was the one who towed it and would regularly have some random driver come up, beeping their horns and pointing to the boat- the SS DUPA!

Mama spoke Serbian as a youngster. Her two used words were “bozor” (danger, hazard) usually in the mixed phrase “bozor Steinschlag!” (watch for falling rock).

The other was a chair pad she named the “potsratchnik” , with srat = shit, so “thing that goes under your pooter”.

The boat sounds like it had a movie cameo.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

as much as i admire the Ukrainians as fighters, willing to die to protect their homes and families, they had a lot of social issues before putin invaded. i'd really like to see them commit to cleaning up the corruption and racism that seems to be a large problem for them, before we kit them out with all modern equipment. Their government may be completely honest and uncorrupted, (may be) but all it takes is a few shady people in the supply chain for a lot of very dangerous ordinance to go "missing"...

Well EU membership and the process to obtain it are part of their plan. Zelenskiy is liberal and anti corruption, so are many of the young politicians in his party. Most importantly, the Ukrainian public has seen the results of corruption with the Russians and for the next decade patriotism will trump corruption. Character counts in leaders, it's the difference between Ted Cruz running from a storm and Zelenskiy staying in war, that won't be forgotten by many either.

They are trying to deal with corruption and so far have had more luck than America! Corruption is one of the abuses of freedom along with racism and being a republican in general.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Good. The Russians seem a little butt hurt that the war is entering their territory …..to fucking bad, not so sad . There needs to be more of these actions to show the Russian population there are consequences for attacking a sovereign country. It’s total bullshit and the Ukrainian people need more weapons that can reach out and touch the Russians where it hurts. I fucking hate this shit. The longer it goes on the more hate will be laid upon Russia, again good. I hope it takes a hundred years for them to recover from this and they all pay for the person they’ve let do this. Fuck Russia!!!!

a few raids on critical supply depots would help, but they would be better served focusing their attention on Crimea...if they can kick putin completely out of their country, it would be a win on many fronts...tactically, morally, psychologically....if tiny (relatively speaking) Ukraine can not only beat, but humiliate the russian army, it may be the death knell of the country as an aggressor...it may be the death knell of the country...period. russia won't vanish, but it may break up into states, who are less than eager to cooperate with any central government, for the glory of any one man. the older generation who are staunchly government supporters are dying off, and the younger people are a lot more comfortable with technology, which allows them to get outside perspectives, and make informed decisions. those people already exist, but the FSB keeps them in terror, making protesting problematic at best, suicidal at worst...if they were allowed free expression, if the government couldn't suppress the truth (any more than all governments do) it would get a lot harder to do unspeakable things...

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

After cashing their paychecks, they decided to look for other employment.

you could be more right than you know...those people aren't doing what they're doing out of patriotism...it may have gotten a lot harder to collect their pay, once the funds of whatever oligarch was controlling them were seized...propaganda isn't free

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

a few raids on critical supply depots would help, but they would be better served focusing their attention on Crimea...if they can kick putin completely out of their country, it would be a win on many fronts...tactically, morally, psychologically....if tiny (relatively speaking) Ukraine can not only beat, but humiliate the russian army, it may be the death knell of the country as an aggressor...it may be the death knell of the country...period. russia won't vanish, but it may break up into states, who are less than eager to cooperate with any central government, for the glory of any one man. the older generation who are staunchly government supporters are dying off, and the younger people are a lot more comfortable with technology, which allows them to get outside perspectives, and make informed decisions. those people already exist, but the FSB keeps them in terror, making protesting problematic at best, suicidal at worst...if they were allowed free expression, if the government couldn't suppress the truth (any more than all governments do) it would get a lot harder to do unspeakable things...

If young people are blocked from political change, some will form terrorist groups or revolutionaries and start exposing and killing his secret police and commanders of his internal security forces. Vlad might give the federal internal security forces big raises, but who will give the local cops big raises and give them special access to goods like in the soviet days. Because that is what it is gonna come down to in the end, starving the brainwashed.

 

[Budley Doright]

a few raids on critical supply depots would help, but they would be better served focusing their attention on Crimea...if they can kick putin completely out of their country, it would be a win on many fronts...tactically, morally, psychologically....if tiny (relatively speaking) Ukraine can not only beat, but humiliate the russian army, it may be the death knell of the country as an aggressor...it may be the death knell of the country...period. russia won't vanish, but it may break up into states, who are less than eager to cooperate with any central government, for the glory of any one man. the older generation who are staunchly government supporters are dying off, and the younger people are a lot more comfortable with technology, which allows them to get outside perspectives, and make informed decisions. those people already exist, but the FSB keeps them in terror, making protesting problematic at best, suicidal at worst...if they were allowed free expression, if the government couldn't suppress the truth (any more than all governments do) it would get a lot harder to do unspeakable things...

Yes it was my feels talking and not strategy ….. but still ….. dropping a missile into his lap would also solve a few logistic issues.

 

[injinji]

If young people are blocked from political change, some will form terrorist groups or revolutionaries and start exposing and killing his secret police and commanders of his internal security forces. Vlad might give the federal internal security forces big raises, but who will give the local cops big raises and give them special access to goods like in the soviet days. Because that is what it is gonna come down to in the end, starving the brainwashed.

In 1962, John F. Kennedy famously said, "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Turkey gets 90% of it's grain shipments from Ukraine, supplies drones to them already and is licensed to make switchblades by America, along with the UK. It would not be a stretch, that now that America is officially suppling these drones to Ukraine, that they both would be supplying larger numbers in secret. I believe the Americans can account for every one fired electronically, so they should be able to track them.

What do you think the reaction of Turkey would be, if a greatly weakened Russian military sunk a vessel carrying Turkish grain? Most of Ukraine's grain is bound for the Islamic world. Would they sink everything Russian in the Black sea? They can do it, or simply invite NATO in to do it for them.
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Pentagon announces $300M in aerial systems, military weapons for Ukraine

The Department of Defense announced on Friday the U.S. will provide $300 million in additional security assistance to Ukraine. In a press release, the department said that it had notified Congress …

thehill.com

 

[injinji]

a few raids on critical supply depots would help, but they would be better served focusing their attention on Crimea...if they can kick putin completely out of their country, it would be a win on many fronts...tactically, morally, psychologically.... . . . . . .

It's going to be a lot harder to push them out of the south and east than it was the north. Shorter supply lines, more troops, better troops. Plus a lot of shit is being dropped from planes flying in from Russia. I think the war is going to grind on for months before there is much movement. Ukraine will be forced into hitting airfields in Russia, or trying to.

 

[Moflow]

trump corruption

Lol

 

[Moflow]

What about Belarus? What is going to happen there?

 

[injinji]

What about Belarus? What is going to happen there?

More of the same. Railroad disruptions, that sort of thing.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

What about Belarus? What is going to happen there?

As much shit and trouble as the CIA and Ukraine can cause there, they won't attack their territory or troops, but might hit Russian supplies there. The Ukrainian rail workers are already disrupting the trains, vital for Russian supplies and the army near quit when ordered into Ukraine, no dice, they see what is happening. They get lots of western TV and radio broadcast over their borders and they will get more in their own language. Lukashenko is deeply unpopular after stealing too many elections and jailing too many opponents. There are Belarus fighters in Ukraine now, learning the trade of raising Hell back home.

 

[topcat]

+spring Alexei Navalny from the Gulag and we'll have a DEMOCRATIC RUSSIA which is what their people want.

BTW where are our Russian trolls?

Drafted.

 

[cannabineer]

Interesting. Why the third party (US)? Can anyone tell me why Poland doesn’t let UAF have them directly?

Poland's Plan to Give US its Fleet of MiG Fighter Jets for Ukraine Blindsides American Officials

Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced that the country plans to deliver all of its Soviet-era fighter jets to a U.S. Air Force base in Germany.

www.military.com

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Interesting. Why the third party (US)? Can anyone tell me why Poland doesn’t let UAF have them directly?

Poland's Plan to Give US its Fleet of MiG Fighter Jets for Ukraine Blindsides American Officials

Poland's Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced that the country plans to deliver all of its Soviet-era fighter jets to a U.S. Air Force base in Germany.

www.military.com

Old news and it could have been part of a deception and distraction effort. I think the experts determined that AA defenses could do it and perhaps there are other options. The situation is dynamic, especially with Ukrainian victories and offensive operations now happening. The needs for arms is shifting too and more tanks are required and being mustered from NATO soviet left overs. Drones appear to be more useful and flexible than manned aircraft and now Uncle Sam is providing military ones too. If a drone bombing the shit out of Russian territory isn't American, but Turkish or even Chinese, it's OK, but no American arms used on Russian soil. Uncle Sam is providing lot's of other shit too like anti drone stuff and Jammers for defense as well as communications equipment etc. We don't know how much starlink equipment has been bought with the black budget funds and sent to Ukraine, only what Elon sent personally.

I think the experts know what they need for the job they are trying to do and between Uncle Sam and others they are getting what they need. The UK for instance is giving shore launched anti ship missiles and longer range portable AA starstreak missile systems, other allies are sending other similar systems and more. They may get Mig fighters yet as the situation evolves, strikes into Russia are a concern for Biden and he will want to impose some kind of limits on it along with EU allies, say no deeper than 100 miles and only military targets. The Ukrainians could drive them to the borders and strike them inside their borders, if they shoot back from there. Retaliate missile strike for missile strike eventually, if Vlad wants to continue to fuck around.

A country 1/3 their size in population beating the shit out of them by themselves is much better than NATO involvement and when the Ukrainians gain the upper hand, they will want to do it all by themselves, with our supplies and help of course.

 

[CCGNZ]

I dare him. If it's as good as his invasion of Ukraine..? What's he going to hack?

Someone asked about ANONYMOUS' actions this last month..you asked and Schuylaar listened:

Since then, the account has claimed responsibility for disabling prominent Russian government, news and corporate websites and leaking data from entities such as Roskomnadzor, the federal agency responsible for censoring Russian media.

Anonymous declared a 'cyber war' against Russia. Here are the results

Over three weeks ago, a Twitter account named "Anonymous" declared it was waging a "cyber war" against Russia. CNBC takes a look at its claims.

www.cnbc.com

"Special technical response could be assumed to be cyber,so I get your assumption, but this could also include chem,bio,thermo-baric,and of course the dreaded tact.nuke,I'm telling everybody,if this guy has his back to the wall anything is possible,do you think the West would go eye for eye and detonate a nuke somewhere in Russia if he were to do one in some town in Ukraine? I'm not so sure we'd want to do a tit for tat type thing as it could easily escalate,which is the reason our response has been so measured and judging Russian restraint and comm. and control in this fiasco has been underwhelming to say the least,it's not a road to go down and in general I wouldn't want to inflict that horror on reg. Russian people by getting in a pecker measuring contest w/a unhinged little dictator w/Napolean complex.

 

[CCGNZ]

+spring Alexei Navalny from the Gulag and we'll have a DEMOCRATIC RUSSIA which is what their people want.

BTW where are our Russian trolls?

You've been a little absent lately,hope everything's all good w/you,I'm back to work in a couple weeks so I'm only going to be on here briefly on weekends back to the grind.

 

[CCGNZ]

Here is a 4th "slavic" word for you,NOSTROVIA (translates to a wish for good health)