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captainmorgan

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I don't believe russia has the manpower or resources for a world war so is he bluffing or will he use nukes? Is he crazy or devious? I can see him destroying the country and leaving after setting up a puppet government using conventional weapons. Look what they did in chechnya before.
 

0potato0

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Stingers stop tactical air support and helicopter envelopments, high level bombing is their only option and they don't have many smart bombs, or bombers.
They can't bomb the cities they have to live next to those people afterwards it's not like USA bombing some country back into the stone age halfway around the world
 

DIY-HP-LED

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They can't bomb the cities they have to live next to those people afterwards it's not like USA bombing some country back into the stone age halfway around the world
Russians don't care about collateral damage, they never did before and they won't now, they are getting desperate. This is embarrassing and reveals fundamental weaknesses in their military and political structure.
 

0potato0

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If they don't care about the collateral damage how comes there is water electricity and mobile network still working in Kiev. That's the first thing USA would target
 

Budley Doright

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My own picture is that the Russians have had 100% air superiority 3 days now but haven't bombed the infrastructure and are busy surrounding major cities and the entirety of the Donbass forces.
And? So he’s being a nice reasonable guy? What is your core feeling on this? Do you feel Russia is right to attack an independent sovereign country? I’ll wait, thanks.
 

CCGNZ

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Russians don't care about collateral damage, they never did before and they won't now, they are getting desperate. This is embarrassing and reveals fundamental weaknesses in their military and political structure
It looks to me that Putin calculated that his forces had gained valuable experience in his Syrian "operation" and came to the conclusion that this "operation" would go smoothly based upon that. But Syria was just a minor Air Campaign vs. third world opposition. Once you get into invading a large country w/determined and patriotic opposition and have to coordinate a complex multi axis of attack air/ground campaign w/all the logistics involved is a completely different game. The fact that Russia couldn't gain Air Supremacy in 48 hrs. is stunning considering the state of the Ukraine Air Force. I'm also confused as to why they haven't taken out the power and internet(only thing I can think is that they believe they can say they are being humane to civ. population). If Putin holds on to power after this debacle many heads will probably roll in his military,although he can't worry about that now,his problem now is that they grossly underestimated Ukrainian resolve and thought they would quickly fold,and are now facing the choice of engaging in massive urban combat,turning cities into rubble,massive civ. casualties as well as Russian casualties. His worst nightmare,world opinion branding him and commanders as war criminals juxtaposed with what was supposed to be a surgical takedown of Ukraine,showing off Russia's might. A complete 180 of what was on the drawing board pre-invasion IMO
 
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0potato0

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And? So he’s being a nice reasonable guy? What is your core feeling on this? Do you feel Russia is right to attack an independent sovereign country? I’ll wait, thanks.
Does that matter really? Afghanistan Iraq (twice) Syria Grenada Panama Libya they are also sovereign countries
 

CCGNZ

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My own picture is that the Russians have had 100% air superiority 3 days now but haven't bombed the infrastructure and are busy surrounding major cities and the entirety of the Donbass forces.
Are you kidding,if this was a Western operation a Ukranian aircraft never would have made it to the sky,if Ukraine had even the semblance of a modern Air Force the Russians would be in big trouble here,their logistics are bad,I've seen a video of a Ukranian in a car driving up to Russian tanks waiting for gas, and these probing recon columns getting shot to hell reminds me of WW2 Russian penal battalions used as sacrificial lambs, after all these yrs. Russian military doctrine still puts no value on their soldiers IMO.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If they don't care about the collateral damage how comes there is water electricity and mobile network still working in Kiev. That's the first thing USA would target
I don't know how they are fucking up, but they are. The bottom line is Vlad is violating not just the UN charter, but multiple agreements to protect Ukraine's sovereignty. Ukraine gave up it nuclear weapons over one of those treaties.

Vlad just went to nuclear defcon 2, a sign of desperation and possible suicidal intent.
 

0potato0

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Well im watching this play out real time more or less on telegram (we live in an age anyone with a cellphone creates content) and airstrikes and helicopter attacks are only being carried out vs troop formations. Which is probably the goal: capturing the country intact and creating a puppet state
 

0potato0

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I don't know how they are fucking up, but they are. The bottom line is Vlad is violating not just the UN charter, but multiple agreements to protect Ukraine's sovereignty. Ukraine gave up it nuclear weapons over one of those treaties.

Vlad just went to nuclear defcon 2, a sign of desperation and possible suicidal intent.
Imagine if Russia puts missiles on Cuba oh wait that happened already. We are basically watching the cuban missile crisis in reverse
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Not true. While it has been downgraded, the air defenses are still working. Have you noticed you are not seeing very many choppers on scene?
Stingers are real hard on helicopters and low level tactical air support in general, the Ukrainians have thousands of them and more on the way, ditto for shoulder launched anti tank weapons. If it goes urban warfare and it looks like it might, it will rack up a big body count of Russians and equipment.

Vlad just went Defcon 2 in Russia, a sure sign of desperation or suicide.
 
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0potato0

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also the Ukrainians were killing/shelling/sniping civilians in the Donbass with US blessing.
this is from 2014

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Imagine if Russia puts missiles on Cuba oh wait that happened already. We are basically watching the cuban missile crisis in reverse
America has stealth cruise missiles that can do the job of knocking out key places and they are most likely submarine based as well as land based and they don't need to be that close. A single nuclear ballistic submarine can take out every Russian population center of over 100K, both America and the UK have them, France also has an independent nuclear deterrent and submarines. Just realize what you are getting into, Russia has 6000 nukes, how many of them get off the ground will be another question. Biden might go to Defcon 2, Defcon1 we launch.
 

0potato0

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I hope it will be over quickly with minimal loss of civilian life and that Europe stops playing chicken with a nuclear superpower.
 
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