Pandemic 2020
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injinji
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Damn this traffic jam. OK, Brother in law's mom caught covid a few days ago, as did his daughter and a couple three of her kids. (his dad got it about a week ago) Today we find out my BIL has it too, and it's pretty much kicking his ass. All the others had the jab, but he hasn't. Sister is supposed to fly to Denver a week from today. Not sure if she will delay her trip or not.
But if I were a betting man, I would bet I'll be feeding coon hounds and fighting chickens starting next week.
But if I were a betting man, I would bet I'll be feeding coon hounds and fighting chickens starting next week.
captainmorgan
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Chinese officials confirm fast-spreading coronavirus outbreak in Baise involves the Omicron variant, The city of 4 million is on full lockdown and sealed off.
injinji
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It would be interesting to see real numbers out of there. Just to see how effective those large scale lockdowns are.
printer
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They were effective here when we did them. Back before Omi, we were maxed out on hospital care to the point where we were sending people out of province. We locked down for three weeks and our cases took a nosedive.
CunningCanuk
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Experts weigh in on shifting public health messaging on 'learn to live with COVID'
Learning to live with COVID-19 doesn't mean immediately returning to life as it was in 2019 and authorities should be refining their message, experts say
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Roger A. Shrubber
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it doesn't matter what experts say, at least a third of the population either ignores them, or does the exact opposite of what they advise, because they're fucking morons who think the government is going to waste money on a secret campaign to turn them into slaves for the subterranean mole people...Experts weigh in on shifting public health messaging on 'learn to live with COVID'
Learning to live with COVID-19 doesn't mean immediately returning to life as it was in 2019 and authorities should be refining their message, experts say
Roger A. Shrubber
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you know...what they really believe is much fucking crazier....
the Clintons were in charge of a secret cabal of international cannibalistic child sex traffickers who control world trade, using ships full of stolen children passing back and forth through the panama canal as currency....
no bullshit.....
the Clintons were in charge of a secret cabal of international cannibalistic child sex traffickers who control world trade, using ships full of stolen children passing back and forth through the panama canal as currency....
no bullshit.....
captainmorgan
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Early videos out of Wuhan were really creepy and the way the people were treated by the government outrageous.
Lucky Luke
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The "opening up" policy for Australia seems to have been:
[1] all for the benefit of socio-economic elites who can afford a high degree of infection control for themselves and who could not care less about the rest of us; and
[2] a reaction by politicians to opinion polls and focus groups from "ordinary voters" who were bored, antsy, and lacked any self-control or self-discipline. Note that "ordinary voters" are ones who could never learn how to make a bowline, let alone splice double braid, maintain a diesel or remember the difference between port and starboard hand or the detail of the Rules of the Road.
You'll have read the comments from the usual white 'pfella who blames everything on China and Chinese.
The bottom line for China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, several of the micro-states in the Pacific ocean, and other economies that have chosen to limit international connections to control infection is clear.
"Opening up" leads to
[1] costs of infection control on everyone,
[2] protracted ill-health to some,
[3] premature death to many, and
[4] the illusion of profits from international tourism (which likely is just that - an illusion that does not deliver a benefit to the society except perhaps to a select few of that socio-economic elite caste).
In PRChina, the latest iteration of their calculations suggests that "opening up" China to "live with" the virus would deliver 2 million deaths in the first 12 months. See: https://www.newscientist.com/article...ng-zero-covid/
Just because certain economies, including ones with massive inequality in poverty, have chosen to let a million or so of their poorer members die from Covid-19 does not mean it's the right policy for you (unless you belong to a rich, well-entitled caste and class, brim full of "U Fek Off" arrogance).
In a economy where voting is effectively compulsory, political leaders 'should' be quaking in their shoes. Every one of those deaths means the loss of one vote plus the votes of family members who are smart enough to work out who benefits/loses for themselves.
On the other hand, an economy where only the rich are voters and legislators, a different calculus holds. If that also coincides with an economy biased towards retailing to younger people with disposable income and people conditioned to impulse buying and addicted to TV shopping etc, you can guess for yourself what happens.
In East Asian societies where parents and grandparents are respected and valued, yet another calculus holds.
[1] all for the benefit of socio-economic elites who can afford a high degree of infection control for themselves and who could not care less about the rest of us; and
[2] a reaction by politicians to opinion polls and focus groups from "ordinary voters" who were bored, antsy, and lacked any self-control or self-discipline. Note that "ordinary voters" are ones who could never learn how to make a bowline, let alone splice double braid, maintain a diesel or remember the difference between port and starboard hand or the detail of the Rules of the Road.
You'll have read the comments from the usual white 'pfella who blames everything on China and Chinese.
The bottom line for China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Japan, several of the micro-states in the Pacific ocean, and other economies that have chosen to limit international connections to control infection is clear.
"Opening up" leads to
[1] costs of infection control on everyone,
[2] protracted ill-health to some,
[3] premature death to many, and
[4] the illusion of profits from international tourism (which likely is just that - an illusion that does not deliver a benefit to the society except perhaps to a select few of that socio-economic elite caste).
In PRChina, the latest iteration of their calculations suggests that "opening up" China to "live with" the virus would deliver 2 million deaths in the first 12 months. See: https://www.newscientist.com/article...ng-zero-covid/
Just because certain economies, including ones with massive inequality in poverty, have chosen to let a million or so of their poorer members die from Covid-19 does not mean it's the right policy for you (unless you belong to a rich, well-entitled caste and class, brim full of "U Fek Off" arrogance).
In a economy where voting is effectively compulsory, political leaders 'should' be quaking in their shoes. Every one of those deaths means the loss of one vote plus the votes of family members who are smart enough to work out who benefits/loses for themselves.
On the other hand, an economy where only the rich are voters and legislators, a different calculus holds. If that also coincides with an economy biased towards retailing to younger people with disposable income and people conditioned to impulse buying and addicted to TV shopping etc, you can guess for yourself what happens.
In East Asian societies where parents and grandparents are respected and valued, yet another calculus holds.
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DIY-HP-LED
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What is the alternative with omicron on the loose? Recent studies have shown that lockdowns are ineffective, particularly with omicron, though masking in public seems to slow it down. China is facing a major problem with it's zero tolerance policy, questionable vaccines and highly contagious omicron. The fact that omicron appears to cause fewer hospitalizations and deaths among the unvaxxed and very few among the vaxxed, is leading to public health policy changes globally. Whether this is wise remains to be seen, but governments everywhere are hoping omicron and vaccinations will provide enough immunity in the population to make this a manageable endemic disease.
Lock downs saved a lot of lives at the beginning of the pandemic, when we had no other tools, people were compliant and covid was many times less contagious than current strains. With vaccines and omicron the situation has changed, everybody recognizes there will have to be a price paid, as with flu and RSV, but some NPI's are unsustainable.
Vaxx and boost the population as much as you can and ease up on NPIs and allow it to become endemic in as controlled a way a you can, so that the healthcare system is not swamped.
captainmorgan
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The UK government keeps referring to long covid in the 2% range when talking about long term care, problem is I keep seeing scientists refer to 10-15% as the real number of people that will have long covid. Looking like children may have the same % of long covid so that means 3-5 kids out of every class of 30 will have LC.
captainmorgan
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Cases of omicron BA2 in South Africa are still rising.
potroastV2
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My niece is a physician, so of course she is fully vaxxed, and last year got covid. She said the symptoms were fairly mild, but now she has lingering problems. Her lungs are damaged, and she must use oxygen. She also has hearing aids in each ear.
Many long-haul covid problems will not show up immediately, so covid patients will be reporting new problems for many years.
injinji
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A lady my wife worked with at the agriculture extension office died of covid. Her daughter got it at the same time and recovered. But it has been almost two years now, and she is still having lots of problems. (I'm not great at paying attention when my wife is talking, so not sure what all her symptoms are, but she is in a mess)My niece is a physician, so of course she is fully vaxxed, and last year got covid. She said the symptoms were fairly mild, but now she has lingering problems. Her lungs are damaged, and she must use oxygen. She also has hearing aids in each ear.
Many long-haul covid problems will not show up immediately, so covid patients will be reporting new problems for many years.
captainmorgan
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Reinfections have been common from the start, natural immunity wanes quickly.
bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com
Reinfection by the SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant in blood donors in Manaus, Brazil - BMC Infectious Diseases
Background The city of Manaus, north Brazil, was stricken by a second epidemic wave of SARS-CoV-2 despite high seroprevalence estimates, coinciding with the emergence of the Gamma (P.1) variant. Reinfections were postulated as a partial explanation for the second surge. However, accurate...
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injinji
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My cleaning guy got covid 6 months ago. I made a point to talk to him about waning immunity at work yesterday. I think he is a lost cause, but I'm going to keep telling him the truth.Reinfections have been common from the start, natural immunity wanes quickly.
Reinfection by the SARS-CoV-2 Gamma variant in blood donors in Manaus, Brazil - BMC Infectious Diseases
Background The city of Manaus, north Brazil, was stricken by a second epidemic wave of SARS-CoV-2 despite high seroprevalence estimates, coinciding with the emergence of the Gamma (P.1) variant. Reinfections were postulated as a partial explanation for the second surge. However, accurate...
captainmorgan
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COVID Brain Changes Show Parallels With Alzheimer's Disease
Findings may point to potential mechanism for brain fog in people with long COVID
Fogdog
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I'm vaxxed, I'm boosted. I follow all the CDC guidelines. I'm not in a high risk group. But I'm staying in lockdown mode until the science community indicates they have a handle on this syndrome. I'm fortunate to be able to work from home. So I'm not telling others what they should do except, to say: A correctly worn N95 mask is an effective barrier to coronavirus droplets. Wear it. Please. I'm kind of an asshole toward the careless but I do care.My niece is a physician, so of course she is fully vaxxed, and last year got covid. She said the symptoms were fairly mild, but now she has lingering problems. Her lungs are damaged, and she must use oxygen. She also has hearing aids in each ear.
Many long-haul covid problems will not show up immediately, so covid patients will be reporting new problems for many years.
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