January 6th hearings on Trump's failed insurrection.

[zeddd]

I limit it to the family. But I get your point.

I’m the same

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Political systems become bound up in that culture thing, they become part of our identity, even if we don't agree on the archaic structures, we feel they can be steadily improved over time. That's the value and hope of liberal democracy, it allows social change and the inclusion of minorities over the arc of history. It responds to social change along with moral and ethical public pressure. I also insures liberty and can work in a variety of political systems, all that's required is good will and leaders putting the best interest of the public first, most of the time. To change a political system like that in the UK would involve a culture war and probably civil war too! And we all know how fiercely culture wars are fought.

 

[Skillcraft]

I have just finished reading through all the new pages and I must say I am appalled at some of what I have read. Is there white racist in this country? Yes I have some in my family who I do not speak to. But I have also learned that racism Is not a cancer that is clearly owned by white people. But that is all I have read. Why is no one talking about the racism that is prevelant in all cultures in the US. I am so tired of hearing the ignorance that is being taught and believed. Until we as a nation come together and stop All racism we will never be united. And that my friends is a fact. And until we as a people get away from the partisan politics that are prevelant in this country we will never be united.

 

[zeddd]

Political systems become bound up in that culture thing, they become part of our identity, even if we don't agree on the archaic structures, we feel they can be steadily improved over time. That's the value and hope of liberal democracy, it allows social change and the inclusion of minorities over the arc of history. It responds to social change along with moral and ethical public pressure. I also insures liberty and can work in a variety of political systems, all that's required is good will and leaders putting the best interest of the public first, most of the time. To change a political system like that in the UK would involve a culture war and probably civil war too! And we all know how fiercely culture wars are fought.

And your point is?

 

[CatHedral]

I have just finished reading through all the new pages and I must say I am appalled at some of what I have read. Is there white racist in this country? Yes I have some in my family who I do not speak to. But I have also learned that racism Is not a cancer that is clearly owned by white people. But that is all I have read. Why is no one talking about the racism that is prevelant in all cultures in the US. I am so tired of hearing the ignorance that is being taught and believed. Until we as a nation come together and stop All racism we will never be united. And that my friends is a fact. And until we as a people get away from the partisan politics that are prevelant in this country we will never be united.

Because that falsely implies that all racism in the USA has the same standing. The great traditional injustice has been the ruling white class enslaving people, overwhelmingly from West Africa. That is the place to put the lever for now. There are other instances of institutional racism -
but you gotta vacuum before you mop.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

And your point is?

We are stuck with the systems we have by enlarge, and the usual course of action is to modify and improve them over time. However there is always a segment of the population that resists change and there has to be a strong imperative for it, the faster social change happens, the more who resist it, it takes time for things to evolve and people to get used to things.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

That's because politics is a deadly serious thing in the USA, but what you actually have is cold civil war. Politics requires goodwill on both sides, that's not possible with the republicans as currently constituted. There was a time in the 90's when there wasn't much difference between the parties, but that has long since changed. The majority of the white American population are bigots and close to 7 in 10 white males have a chip on their shoulder about it and many have gone tribal. The parties are polarized now between patriots who want a liberal democracy that includes all people and the other side wants fascist rule by a minority that will descend into genocide eventually, it usually does. Minorities are strong in the democratic party now and racists make up the base of the republicans, the days of compromise by throwing minorities under the bus are over.

i think your numbers are a little off....
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/the-number-of-americans-identifying-as-republican-is-the-lowest-its-been-in-a-decade-gallup-poll-11617812129

https://news.gallup.com/poll/15370/party-affiliation.aspx

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/03/18/majorities-of-americans-see-at-least-some-discrimination-against-black-hispanic-and-asian-people-in-the-u-s/

republicans and democrats are running pretty close to even, with independents outstripping both...and independents can and do go either way, i'm guess about half are right leaning, and half are left leaning...i'm not saying there are no democratic bigots, but i am saying a very vocal, strident, fucked up minority make themselves sound a lot bigger than they are, kind of like a 4 inch frog that makes more noise that a 250 pound mountain lion...no matter how much noise that frog makes, he's of secondary concern...
i know a bunch of racist assholes, (knowing them doesn't mean i like them)...but i know 10 times as many people who at least attempt to be fair, and try not to condone racist behavior....it's an uphill battle for some of them, who have been exposed to propaganda for a long time, but they're fighting that battle, give them some credit for that.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/02/01/hate-groups-including-white-nationalists-declined-2020-splc-says/4341422001/

there are less of these groups every day, but you'll have remnants and hangers on for years yet..do we have a problem? yes, a large one, is it 70% of white males? i don't think so, maybe, maybe half that...which is still way too many...
but would the average white male throw minorities under a bus? literally and or figuratively? no...maybe one in three, maybe less...some people have achieved a small amount of enlightenment, some have the voice in the back of their heads that tell them that this shit is wrong, and they try to hear it...
it's wrong to label 70% of the country as bigots and racist, when it's half that or less

 

[Herb & Suds]

I have just finished reading through all the new pages and I must say I am appalled at some of what I have read. Is there white racist in this country? Yes I have some in my family who I do not speak to. But I have also learned that racism Is not a cancer that is clearly owned by white people. But that is all I have read. Why is no one talking about the racism that is prevelant in all cultures in the US. I am so tired of hearing the ignorance that is being taught and believed. Until we as a nation come together and stop All racism we will never be united. And that my friends is a fact. And until we as a people get away from the partisan politics that are prevelant in this country we will never be united.

Maybe once it becomes an even playing field
Sometimes I cringe when some celeb or wannabe says I’m out to help my race
But then I remind myself it isn’t a sum game atm

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

there are less of these groups every day, but you'll have remnants and hangers on for years yet..do we have a problem? yes, a large one, is it 70% of white males? i don't think so, maybe, maybe half that.

That's about the percentage that voted for Trump in 2020 after 4 years of insanity, something made them vote for the worst person in the world.

 

[Skillcraft]

Because that falsely implies that all racism in the USA has the same standing. The great traditional injustice has been the ruling white class enslaving people, overwhelmingly from West Africa. That is the place to put the lever for now. There are other instances of institutional racism -
but you gotta vacuum before you mop.

All racism in the US should have the same standing. Any racism in the country should not be tolerated. But to suggest we need to fix the (white) issues first does not fix the problem. The lever should be placed on ending racism as a whole. But I guess that is not a popular view. That doesn't divide us or polarize us. What a shame. We should all be united to end all racism. Period.

 

[Skillcraft]

Maybe once it becomes an even playing field
Sometimes I cringe when some celeb or wannabe says I’m out to help my race
But then I remind myself it isn’t a sum game atm

So do you really think that if we only concentrate on the white racist that other racist will follow suit. I am not that naive. If racism as a whole is not dealt with then it will never be an e even playing field.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

That's about the percentage that voted for Trump in 2020 after 4 years of insanity, something made them vote for the worst person in the world.

no, it's not, if he got 70% of the vote he would still be in office, he got slightly less than half the popular vote, and a good many of those votes were from people who didn't especially like trump, but have been hard core indoctrinated to hate democrats...

 

[Herb & Suds]

So do you really think that if we only concentrate on the white racist that other racist will follow suit. I am not that naive. If racism as a whole is not dealt with then it will never be an e even playing field.

So far they are the threat inclined to violence so yes

 

[CatHedral]

All racism in the US should have the same standing. Any racism in the country should not be tolerated. But to suggest we need to fix the (white) issues first does not fix the problem. The lever should be placed on ending racism as a whole. But I guess that is not a popular view. That doesn't divide us or polarize us. What a shame. We should all be united to end all racism. Period.

It is an unpopular view because all my life it has been used by the right to cover up systemic racism.
While theoretically you are correct, that no racism or other bigotry is acceptable, I have seen what you said by racists to dilute, distract, demoralize from starting the job somewhere.

Every time I hear border security mentioned, it is a race dog whistle. The brown people are taking our things! So, correct in theory, used to
sustain the shadow of slavery in practice.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

So do you really think that if we only concentrate on the white racist that other racist will follow suit. I am not that naive. If racism as a whole is not dealt with then it will never be an e even playing field.

you have to break a huge task up into manageable sections...if you try to build (or demolish) the great wall of china in a few days, you're going to get buried under detritus... tackle the biggest problem first, then the rest are a lot more manageable...white people are far from the only racist in the country, but they're the only ones who have gotten a lot of it written into the laws of the country...
https://www.vox.com/22252625/america-racist-housing-rules-how-to-fix
and that seems to be slowly changing....we just have to figure out how to speed the whole thing up a little

 

[Skillcraft]

So far they are the threat inclined to violence so yes

I do not believe you are that naive herbs. But I could be wrong.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

no, it's not, if he got 70% of the vote he would still be in office, he got slightly less than half the popular vote, and a good many of those votes were from people who didn't especially like trump, but have been hard core indoctrinated to hate democrats...

White males, women were a lot different and so were minorities, the election was Trump's to lose and he did by being an incompetent idiot. Males feel the tribal call more keenly than women who generally have more common sense, excluding the trumper women of course, I'm speaking statistically. I could be wrong and will have a look, but I think Trump got the support of around 68% of white males.

 

[Herb & Suds]

I do not believe you are that naive herbs. But I could be wrong.

Ask yourself who is trying to hide racism in Americas schools
I have been let off a dozen or more times in my lifetime by a cop who would have brought the hammer down on a person who wasn’t white
So now ask yourself are you really that blind ?

 

[CatHedral]

I do not believe you are that naive herbs. But I could be wrong.

Ok, list racist activity in the last 5 years not aimed at the reliable targets of the rich Protestant heterosexual white male cult that is conservatism in this country.

and not links from the pathological news outlets that pander to MAGA. Like Fox.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

White males, women were a lot different and so were minorities, the election was Trump's to lose and he did by being an incompetent idiot. Males feel the tribal call more keenly than women who generally have more common sense, excluding the trumper women of course, I'm speaking statistically. I could be wrong and will have a look, but I think Trump got the support of around 68% of white males.

that's possible, i wasn't looking at who voted for him by sex, just political affiliation.

Biden made gains with men, while Trump improved among women, narrowing the gender gap. The gender gap in the 2020 election was narrower than it had been in 2016, both because of gains that Biden made among men and because of gains Trump made among women. In 2020, men were almost evenly divided between Trump and Biden, unlike in 2016 when Trump won men by 11 points. Trump won a slightly larger share of women’s votes in 2020 than in 2016 (44% vs. 39%), while Biden’s share among women was nearly identical to Clinton’s (55% vs. 54%).

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/