Is a reversal of Roe v Wade decision next?

[zzyx]

It’s quite complex, and as far as I can tell, the crux of it is viability of the unborn. Viability began extending with the establishment of neonatal care. Technology has steadily advanced and increased the duration of viability. I would hope that is considered in the debate. Of course it’s rife with politics as no one actually gives a shit about the kids after they are born. If you believe in God, and you are aware of the conditions our children are exposed to, it would be easy to see how merciful it may be to send them home to a loving family.

 

[hanimmal]

I don't get why people are so insistent on which fertilized eggs women decide to or not to push out of their body if they are able to incubate them long enough.

It really is a perverted power trip trying to control the decisions made between a woman and her doctor.

 

[HGCC]

I think a solid argument could be made that a woman has more of a right to an abortion than people do to not taking the vaccine. At least in terms of allowing people free will and autonomy up until it impacts someone else.

That person vs not person argument...welp, ahem, not going to go great for the liberal side. You know how Q keeps ranting about pedos and then their leaders keep ending up getting busted. It's kind of the same thing with activist Supreme Court judges, they sure did gnash some teeth on that topic over the years until they got a majority and then rammed that shit home.

Not sure how they can combat that, Biden (and many dems) were not on board with expanding the courts when the topic last came up. Outside of someone just opting to shoot a few so they can be replaced, I don't see a way to protect enshrined rights.

They formed the commission, found no legal reason they couldnt...but well, can't say it's going anywhere. It

Biden commission releases research into possible Supreme Court expansion

The panel will meet Friday to discuss factors that should determine whether and how to change the number of justices, among other reform proposals.

www.nbcnews.com

Democrats Unveil Long-Shot Plan To Expand Size Of Supreme Court From 9 To 13

Republicans were scathing in their response to the measure, but the bill has a grim future even without their opposition. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she has no plans to bring it to the floor.

www.npr.org

 

[hanimmal]

I think a solid argument could be made that a woman has more of a right to an abortion than people do to not taking the vaccine. At least in terms of allowing people free will and autonomy up until it impacts someone else.

That person vs not person argument...welp, ahem, not going to go great for the liberal side. You know how Q keeps ranting about pedos and then their leaders keep ending up getting busted. It's kind of the same thing with activist Supreme Court judges, they sure did gnash some teeth on that topic over the years until they got a majority and then rammed that shit home.

Not sure how they can combat that, Biden (and many dems) were not on board with expanding the courts when the topic last came up. Outside of someone just opting to shoot a few so they can be replaced, I don't see a way to protect enshrined rights.

They formed the commission, found no legal reason they couldnt...but well, can't say it's going anywhere. It

Biden commission releases research into possible Supreme Court expansion

The panel will meet Friday to discuss factors that should determine whether and how to change the number of justices, among other reform proposals.

www.nbcnews.com

Democrats Unveil Long-Shot Plan To Expand Size Of Supreme Court From 9 To 13

Republicans were scathing in their response to the measure, but the bill has a grim future even without their opposition. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she has no plans to bring it to the floor.

www.npr.org

Decades of programming and allowing the right wing propagandists to brand the sides is hard to overcome.

1. Everyone (not suicidal) is 'pro-life'. Their stance on the availability of a medical procedure has nothing to do with this fact.

2. Nobody is 'pro-abortion'. It is a tough medical decision that the women who would seek one have to make. It is like calling people 'pro-knee surgery' or 'pro-heart transplant'. It is shit that nobody wants, but is important are available for the people who need it.

As for the SCOTUS, I think that should be the Democratic stance in 2022 and 2024. Make that a campaign promise and let the American people decide. That and election integrity (voting rights/gerrymandering/dark money) should be on the table IMO. The insurrectionist RINO's have been trolling the Democrats as appointing 'radical activist' judges for years leading up to Trump and McConnell stuffing the benches full of them. The Democrat response hopefully won't be to wait for decades for these people to die to rectify it.

 

[captainmorgan]

I don't get why people are so insistent on which fertilized eggs women decide to or not to push out of their body if they are able to incubate them long enough.

It really is a perverted power trip trying to control the decisions made between a woman and her doctor.

Religious zelots, think ISIS.

 

[schuylaar]

It’s quite complex, and as far as I can tell, the crux of it is viability of the unborn. Viability began extending with the establishment of neonatal care. Technology has steadily advanced and increased the duration of viability. I would hope that is considered in the debate. Of course it’s rife with politics as no one actually gives a shit about the kids after they are born. If you believe in God, and you are aware of the conditions our children are exposed to, it would be easy to see how merciful it may be to send them home to a loving family.

that would be pedo family.

 

[HGCC]

Decades of programming and allowing the right wing propagandists to brand the sides is hard to overcome.

1. Everyone (not suicidal) is 'pro-life'. Their stance on the availability of a medical procedure has nothing to do with this fact.

2. Nobody is 'pro-abortion'. It is a tough medical decision that the women who would seek one have to make. It is like calling people 'pro-knee surgery' or 'pro-heart transplant'. It is shit that nobody wants, but is important are available for the people who need it.

As for the SCOTUS, I think that should be the Democratic stance in 2022 and 2024. Make that a campaign promise and let the American people decide. That and election integrity (voting rights/gerrymandering/dark money) should be on the table IMO. The insurrectionist RINO's have been trolling the Democrats as appointing 'radical activist' judges for years leading up to Trump and McConnell stuffing the benches full of them. The Democrat response hopefully won't be to wait for decades for these people to die to rectify it.

We keep winding up stuck on that first sentence. Don't at all disagree, just think that the Democrats have to figure out how to fight back against it. No clue how that can be achieved.

My view is that it would serve the dems well to turn their backs on trying to appease Republicans. Its dumb, they bitch about made up shit. They tried to paint Joe Biden as the far left ffs. Might as well kick them in the proverbial balls and go for it. Biden really wasn't elected to do that though, he was a centrist candidate and it has been really clear that the moves made by the democratic party were to pick up the republican voters trump lost. It isnt republican spin pushing that narrative, it was the solid logical argument made during the primary season on why Biden was a better choice than the rest of the field. Can't appease everyone, that's just logic and junk, dismissing everything negative about the decisions made as republican spin seems short sighted.

 

[rkymtnman]

We keep winding up stuck on that first sentence. Don't at all disagree, just think that the Democrats have to figure out how to fight back against it. No clue how that can be achieved.

have to use the concept of fear to fight back. start campaigning that first they're gonna tell women what they can't do with their body. next is taking away their freedoms, right to vote, right to whatever.

women should turn out in record #'s in 22 and 24 if the SC guts R v W.

 

[hanimmal]

We keep winding up stuck on that first sentence. Don't at all disagree, just think that the Democrats have to figure out how to fight back against it. No clue how that can be achieved.

My view is that it would serve the dems well to turn their backs on trying to appease Republicans. Its dumb, they bitch about made up shit. They tried to paint Joe Biden as the far left ffs. Might as well kick them in the proverbial balls and go for it. Biden really wasn't elected to do that though, he was a centrist candidate and it has been really clear that the moves made by the democratic party were to pick up the republican voters trump lost. It isnt republican spin pushing that narrative, it was the solid logical argument made during the primary season on why Biden was a better choice than the rest of the field. Can't appease everyone, that's just logic and junk, dismissing everything negative about the decisions made as republican spin seems short sighted.

That's why I think 2022 is the 'mandate' year, and 2024 is the 'finish them' year (them being the insurrectionist RINO's). 2026 to clear out the rest of the garbage, and 2028 being the year that hopefully the Republicans put up a real set of candidates with a completely new agenda that works with the 100% of the nation and not just the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda.

 

[rkymtnman]

and not just the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda

it's very telling that the GOP still doesn't address the man that impregnated the woman. where is his responsiblity? financially and then for the next 18 years to help raise the child.

 

[hanimmal]

it's very telling that the GOP still doesn't address the man that impregnated the woman. where is his responsiblity? financially and then for the next 18 years to help raise the child.

The Texas GQP did say something about 'stopping rape' though. I guess we just now have to hope they didn't mean making raping women legal.

 

[HGCC]

That's why I think 2022 is the 'mandate' year, and 2024 is the 'finish them' year (them being the insurrectionist RINO's). 2026 to clear out the rest of the garbage, and 2028 being the year that hopefully the Republicans put up a real set of candidates with a completely new agenda that works with the 100% of the nation and not just the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda.

I really hope you are right.

One reason I keep being critical is that I am worried they will lose. As a whole, I believe the dems have been underperforming expectations. Still can't believe 2020 wasn't a blowout, I worry how they will fare when the Republicans stop saying the quiet part out loud.

Edit: not sure on 2022 man, historically mid terms haven't been great for the party in the white house. Will see.

 

[schuylaar]

Decades of programming and allowing the right wing propagandists to brand the sides is hard to overcome.

1. Everyone (not suicidal) is 'pro-life'. Their stance on the availability of a medical procedure has nothing to do with this fact.

2. Nobody is 'pro-abortion'. It is a tough medical decision that the women who would seek one have to make. It is like calling people 'pro-knee surgery' or 'pro-heart transplant'. It is shit that nobody wants, but is important are available for the people who need it.

As for the SCOTUS, I think that should be the Democratic stance in 2022 and 2024. Make that a campaign promise and let the American people decide. That and election integrity (voting rights/gerrymandering/dark money) should be on the table IMO. The insurrectionist RINO's have been trolling the Democrats as appointing 'radical activist' judges for years leading up to Trump and McConnell stuffing the benches full of them. The Democrat response hopefully won't be to wait for decades for these people to die to rectify it.

citizens have a short memory..repubs forget what happened yesterday and repeat today.

 

[schuylaar]

The Texas GQP did say something about 'stopping rape' though. I guess we just now have to hope they didn't mean making raping women legal.

in GOP mind if you make a law about..it's out of sight; out of mind..basically what low intelligent creatures do.

if you take the lake away in South Carolina no psychotic mother will drown her children..did you know that's one of the 'fixes' floated in 1994?

Susan Smith - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[hanimmal]

I really hope you are right.

One reason I keep being critical is that I am worried they will lose. As a whole, I believe the dems have been underperforming expectations. Still can't believe 2020 wasn't a blowout, I worry how they will fare when the Republicans stop saying the quiet part out loud.

Edit: not sure on 2022 man, historically mid terms haven't been great for the party in the white house. Will see.

Trump had 4 years (2 of which was total Republican control) to spread the big lies using the highest office in the land and allowed foreign nations free reign to attack our citizens. 2020 was never going to be a blowout. And with all the cheating that we are finding out about the Republicans doing in the 2020 election I am not sure it wasn't a blowout, even if it didn't show up on the scoreboard.

2022 is pivotal to have another blowout for the Democrats. Because of all the state level fuckery.

 

[HGCC]

So the Republicans keep framing issues. One solid move the democrats could make is on gay rights/people; it can be their guns type thing to try and split the Republican voters. The asshole racist reps I know are fine with gay people, they all have gay family members they care about. The religious zealots of that party, not so much.

So let's talk about that and put it into the public discussion sphere. It's a dick move, total politicking crap, but welp, here you are. Try and split the evangelical portion of their party from the rest, or have the rest leave when the party bows to their Jesus coalition.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Its about time that we start following the trend of leading nations like Nicaragua and Poland by restricting abortions.

 

[hanimmal]

So the Republicans keep framing issues. One solid move the democrats could make is on gay rights/people; it can be their guns type thing to try and split the Republican voters. The asshole racist reps I know are fine with gay people, they all have gay family members they care about. The religious zealots of that party, not so much.

So let's talk about that and put it into the public discussion sphere. It's a dick move, total politicking crap, but welp, here you are. Try and split the evangelical portion of their party from the rest, or have the rest leave when the party bows to their Jesus coalition.

I am not sure how the Democrats would be able to pierce the Sinclair/Fox/internet troll spam that would spin the narrative for their cult viewers.

It would be easy to fire up the evangelical viewers, and the racist would just be spammed anything but so it would be a non-issue for them, you know, because those 'Mexicans and Muslims' or 'BLM' type spam.

 

[HGCC]

Maybe showing them our dicks is the answer.

Just saying. #showboebertyourdick

 

[rkymtnman]

Its about time that we start following the trend of leading nations like Nicaragua and Poland by restricting abortions.

just like we followed Syria in getting out of the Paris climate accord.