You have to be in peak condition to play in the big leagues, covid can easily fuck him out of a job without too much damage. Covid might be a career ender for some athletes, some could require amputations, but most will have their lungs fucked.
Lewis Hamilton (F1 driver) says he is not over his case from last year.
I have a friend who is a doctor specializing in diving medicine. Interesting specialty, he treats professional and serious sports divers.
Sounds like a high-pressure job.
As you know the vaccines don’t work 100%. If 100% of the population is vaccinated, 100% of the infected are vaccinated people. When 80% is vaccinated, and it works for 75% of them, there’s not just parity in theory, the vaccinated are in reality less careful, test less often, and often don’t even notice they are sick. Which makes corona passports or lockdowns for only unvaccinated a very bad idea (need to test for access). Vaccination does not equal immunity and vaccination does not end infections. Both are required for herd immunity.You touch on the contradiction that I'm talking about.
New information is coming available every day so maybe I'm just looking at old data that has gone stale. The stats I've seen every time I look for relative rates of infection between vaxxed and not look like this:
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Since July, COVID-19, cases have increased rapidly in King County. The worsening outbreak is affecting all of us. And, people who are not fully vaccinated are getting seriously ill and dying at much higher rates than the vaccinated population. That's clear on a new data dashboard, which shows...publichealthinsider.com
These graphs show how much faster the virus is spreading among unvaccinated people, compared with vaccinated people of the same age. On July 1, the case rate among unvaccinated people was about 8 cases per 100,000 people per day, while among the vaccinated it was less than 1 case. Over the next two months, cases spiked among unvaccinated people, increasing by an additional 82 cases per 100,000 people, per day. Cases rose among vaccinated people, too, but much more gently: By late August, the rate went up by just 8 additional cases per 100,000, per day.
That surge beginning in July was due to the effect of Delta variant. Still, the rate of new infections, unvaxxed vs vaxxed is at least 8:1 or maybe 10:1.
Data like this is always old before it can be published. So maybe the numbers will begin to merge as more information is available but I'm not seeing parity in rates of new infections. Not yet.
Yup, every single person on the planet Earth will get Covid-19 or a variant such as Delta at one time or another.As you know the vaccines don’t work 100%. If 100% of the population is vaccinated, 100% of the infected are vaccinated people. When 80% is vaccinated, and it works for 75% of them, there’s not just parity in theory, the vaccinated are in reality less careful, test less often, and often don’t even notice they are sick. Which makes corona passports or lockdowns for only unvaccinated a very bad idea (need to test for access). Vaccination does not equal immunity and vaccination does not end infections. Both are required for herd immunity.
A recent study in the UK determined someone living with an infected person has 38% chance to get infected if unvaccinated and 25% if vaccinated. The difference is not so large as we’d want because of the frequent contact, similar to living in a densely populated area during a surge, or going to a nightclub with ironically only vaccinated people.
While it spreads faster amongst unvaccinated, it seems they are merely a catalyst for an otherwise inevitable surge. Once enough people are infected, it will find its way to that portion of the population that is vaccinated but not successfully protected (which varies by vaccine, age, how long ago they got the shot etc). That still vulnerable portion is larger than the unvaccinated portion of the entire population in areas with high vax rates. Eventually more vaccinated getting infected than unvaccinated was expected.
And I hear you on numbers getting old fast in this matter. The latest I’ve seen on hospitalizations over october shows 55% was vaccinated and 44% was not. So we almost reached parity with hospitalizations a month ago. In absolute numbers that is. Relatively, out of 15% unvaccinated, more people ended up in a hospital due to corona than out of the 85% of the population that is fully vaccinated. I don’t have a similar graph (vaccination status isn’t always know until the infected gets really sick or dies), but there is no unambiguous difference between municipalities with low and high vax rates here.
To reach parity in hospitalizations, given the fact vaccinated are less likely to be hospitalized, there have to be more, many more, vaccinated people who got infected than unvaccinated.
This is Portugal, touted as the champion of vaccination in europe, with almost no adult left to vaccinate and over 10% of the population was previously infected. The number of cases today is closing in on what it was when they had only 50% fully vaccinated. Other countries with high vax rates such as the UK show similar results.
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So the general consensus is swiftly turning into get vaxxed and booster to prepare yourself for when you get infect. If not this season, then next, or the next after…
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Thanks for the careful and well written post. I'm vaxxed but still being careful. My 17 YO is also vaxxed but going to school and I can only guess that he's being a teenager. We all know what that means. From what you say, it's only a matter of time before the live virus crosses my threshold.As you know the vaccines don’t work 100%. If 100% of the population is vaccinated, 100% of the infected are vaccinated people. When 80% is vaccinated, and it works for 75% of them, there’s not just parity in theory, the vaccinated are in reality less careful, test less often, and often don’t even notice they are sick. Which makes corona passports or lockdowns for only unvaccinated a very bad idea (need to test for access). Vaccination does not equal immunity and vaccination does not end infections. Both are required for herd immunity.
A recent study in the UK determined someone living with an infected person has 38% chance to get infected if unvaccinated and 25% if vaccinated. The difference is not so large as we’d want because of the frequent contact, similar to living in a densely populated area during a surge, or going to a nightclub with ironically only vaccinated people.
While it spreads faster amongst unvaccinated, it seems they are merely a catalyst for an otherwise inevitable surge. Once enough people are infected, it will find its way to that portion of the population that is vaccinated but not successfully protected (which varies by vaccine, age, how long ago they got the shot etc). That still vulnerable portion is larger than the unvaccinated portion of the entire population in areas with high vax rates. Eventually more vaccinated getting infected than unvaccinated was expected.
And I hear you on numbers getting old fast in this matter. The latest I’ve seen on hospitalizations over october shows 55% was vaccinated and 44% was not. So we almost reached parity with hospitalizations a month ago. In absolute numbers that is. Relatively, out of 15% unvaccinated, more people ended up in a hospital due to corona than out of the 85% of the population that is fully vaccinated. I don’t have a similar graph (vaccination status isn’t always know until the infected gets really sick or dies), but there is no unambiguous difference between municipalities with low and high vax rates here.
To reach parity in hospitalizations, given the fact vaccinated are less likely to be hospitalized, there have to be more, many more, vaccinated people who got infected than unvaccinated.
This is Portugal, touted as the champion of vaccination in europe, with almost no adult left to vaccinate and over 10% of the population was previously infected. The number of cases today is closing in on what it was when they had only 50% fully vaccinated. Other countries with high vax rates such as the UK show similar results.
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So the general consensus is swiftly turning into get vaxxed and booster to prepare yourself for when you get infect. If not this season, then next, or the next after…
And now this new variant from South Africa. Time to review and renew one’s mask discipline.
17 YO going to do what he going to do. He was very good about the lockdown and we've had our struggles with online learning so without question, he's attending school. He's vaxxed, not time for a booster but we'll have him in for that when he's due. He knows what he should do and has done so until now. For his own personal health, I'm not holding him to sheltering in place. I'm going to trust him when he's out and about with his school buddies. I'm trying not to make this a point of contention between us. If it happens, it happens and we all will deal with the consequences.
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Nicely put together. Gave me a better outlook on this. It's fitting right in with our "common" flu. You will get it.
No. It's possible. As the un-vaccinated die the percentage of vaccinated will naturally increase.
