Lucky Luke
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Yes, but the kiwi's are not waving Murdock flags.
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CatHedral
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Perhaps only because he helped con Dummy into taking visible point.
Lucky Luke
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Funny how Americans try to protect trump and his kind. Its all someone elses fault...
CatHedral
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That does not describe me or the point I’m making.
Lucky Luke
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Then your point was not understood. Sounds to me like a deflection.
CatHedral
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I am bothered that you see my post as possibly backing that man. Please reread without preload.
Lucky Luke
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Still sounds to me that your insinuating that its not the American peoples fault for making Trump President and wanting to hear more about him. making him bigger than he is and projecting that Trumpism around the world.
CatHedral
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Oh assuredly not. I’m suggesting that that man’s popularity is more coordinated with international conspiracies than is generally said. I oppose every element of that man.
Fogdog
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not my fault. Didn't vote for Trump, never even voted Republican.
Is it your fault that Australia has a dismal record of protecting the environment?
Australia’s climate policy is all talk and no trousers
It relies too much on future technology and not enough on present action
Why didn't you stop it?
HGCC
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Well we can all agree that Paul hogan is a national treasure of both nations.
Murdochs fox broke American brains for a solid 15 years before trump. We are stupid and believe the TV. As such, the dominant world player became a 5 year old mad that they are tired but refusing to go to sleep. So we made everyone the babysitter.
Murdochs fox broke American brains for a solid 15 years before trump. We are stupid and believe the TV. As such, the dominant world player became a 5 year old mad that they are tired but refusing to go to sleep. So we made everyone the babysitter.
Lucky Luke
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Are people waving Sco Mo flags in America? Or to be more accurate The last Prime ministers flag of Malcolm Turnbull? Are they spreading misinformation as they do it?not my fault. Didn't vote for Trump, never even voted Republican.
Is it your fault that Australia has a dismal record of protecting the environment?
Australia’s climate policy is all talk and no trousers
It relies too much on future technology and not enough on present actionwww.economist.com
Why didn't you stop it?
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Lucky Luke
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Strange how Americans went full Fox. Even Aussie Fox which has a small viewership here isnt as wacky as the American Fox.
Trump did bring out the racism and the tin foil hate crowd here (and in New Zealand) and made it more acceptable. Which is just so backward.
Lucky Luke
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And Yes, It is my fault that Australia has an abysmal record of protecting the Environment. Its on all of us.not my fault. Didn't vote for Trump, never even voted Republican.
Is it your fault that Australia has a dismal record of protecting the environment?
Australia’s climate policy is all talk and no trousers
It relies too much on future technology and not enough on present action
Why didn't you stop it?
As you know the State I live in has been net Zero 6 out of the last 7 years. How is your State going? Is it net Zero?
Only last night I was harassing a friend who is running for a Federal Senator seat this coming federal election. Ill share some of our conversation.
Me: — Fossil fuel subsidies cost Australians a staggering $10.3 billion in FY 2020-21 with one Commonwealth tax break alone ($7.84 billion) ..
Him: Australia will never meet emissions targets.. ever.
We are too far invested in mineral wealth.
Me: Your fixating and came to that one thing? My answer is not with that attitude. Tas, a state in the federation, has been net 0 Emissions 6 out of the last 7 years. We have, as like every State in Australia said, we would be net 0 in 2030. Some of us are already there and some are not far behind. Is that why you want to get rid of the States Gov? To rip up their environmental success and goals?
hanimmal
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Do you mean Sky News or Fox? I have not seen many Sky News videos about anything American that is not full on right wing fucktarded.
Lucky Luke
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Sky News is on Fox here. Same/same
HydroKid239
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*coughs without covering mouth*
Grandpapy
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I blame your mom/upbringing.
HGCC
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We believe anyone with an accent.
Tbh, I put the blame on the consumer not the producer. Americans are fuckin dumb as a whole, we really leaned into news as some sort of political/culture divide. The W. Bush years seemed to be when the split really took hold, after 9/11 and the start of the middle east debacle a schism sort of appeared with people accepting different realities.
Fogdog
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I don't understand the "All people are bad because less than half are real shits". Republicans can not win a national majority vote. Are the majority responsible for the actions of a minority? No. I do not accept blame for Trump, Bush or Gaetz. Those people represent the past. There was a time when they were a super majority and nothing could be done but endure them. That time is not now. We didn't accept the "both sides have good people" argument. That had worked well in times gone by.
US democracy is in peril because right wing authoritarians are losing free and fair elections that they used to own. The constitution was written to skew power towards smaller groups or probably more accurately put, prevent the majority from calling all the shots. But fascists are losing even the necessary numbers to win elections that are skewed toward them. Trump lost because of that. Americans are just as dumb as everyone else or more but more than half of those dumb voters chose Biden.
We are in transition and right wing systemic racist-misogynist-bigoted MAGA ideology is what we are transitioning away from. This social struggle is because we are headed toward multicultural democracy and people who support the status quo are literally up in arms. So, no. I don't accept blame for them. I see opportunity going forward. I think we are winning too.
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HGCC
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You always make good points man.
I guess I do concur, not everyone bought into it and shouldn't be held responsible for those that did. I do desperately want a populace that can make the distinction between real and fake. We are all part of the same group, Americans, so I guess it's a failing of education or something I can't quite define, but I sort of hold the nation responsible when it has failed its populace in some way. Buying into bullshit is the byproduct.
I guess I do concur, not everyone bought into it and shouldn't be held responsible for those that did. I do desperately want a populace that can make the distinction between real and fake. We are all part of the same group, Americans, so I guess it's a failing of education or something I can't quite define, but I sort of hold the nation responsible when it has failed its populace in some way. Buying into bullshit is the byproduct.
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