The journalistic obligation to fact

nuskool89

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But Rachel Maddow actually tells the truth. Facts that you can check.
Don’t freak out, this first one is a breitbart link :shock:




Even the left of center politifact rates her at nearly 50/50


But no she’s totally honest, doesn’t push propaganda, and doesn’t have an agenda
 

CatHedral

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Don’t freak out, this first one is a breitbart link :shock:




Even the left of center politifact rates her at nearly 50/50

But no she’s totally honest, doesn’t push propaganda, and doesn’t have an agenda
You are using links on the wrong side of the reality divide. Those are hard-right agitprop quite unmoored from fact.
 

mooray

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Don’t freak out, this first one is a breitbart link :shock:




Even the left of center politifact rates her at nearly 50/50


But no she’s totally honest, doesn’t push propaganda, and doesn’t have an agenda
I feeeeeeeel like there's a significant difference between saying that maybe the president is compromised and maybe vaccines don't work.
 

printer

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Don’t freak out, this first one is a breitbart link :shock:




Even the left of center politifact rates her at nearly 50/50


But no she’s totally honest, doesn’t push propaganda, and doesn’t have an agenda
Who said she is not pushing an agenda? Most news sources are on either side of the divide. But who says you accept everything as fact? I don't. But they taught us to question what we read or see on TV in the seventies in school. It seems the far right has gone anti science and 'faith' has more relivence, and I am not talking about religion, unless you bow to the altar of the orange one.
 

nuskool89

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Who said she is not pushing an agenda? Most news sources are on either side of the divide. But who says you accept everything as fact? I don't. But they taught us to question what we read or see on TV in the seventies in school. It seems the far right has gone anti science and 'faith' has more relivence, and I am not talking about religion, unless you bow to the altar of the orange one.
no one said she’s not pushing an agenda, you just said she tells the truth and facts you can check. My last sentence was sarcasm. I’m merely pointing out she does in fact lie as do many left-side media personalities. It’s not a phenomenon unique to the right
 

CatHedral

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no one said she’s not pushing an agenda, you just said she tells the truth and facts you can check. My last sentence was sarcasm. I’m merely pointing out she does in fact lie as do many left-side media personalities. It’s not a phenomenon unique to the right
It is a matter of degree. Poking Maddow for a handful of falsehoods is a bit ripe when that man told lies that were much more plentiful and much further divorced from fact.
 

mooray

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Some on the list are ridiculous, like her complaining about how we haven't made our energy infrastructure more robust from outside attacks. Ten years ago I'd bet that was a republican talking point.
 

nuskool89

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It is a matter of degree. Poking Maddow for a handful of falsehoods is a bit ripe when that man told lies that were much more plentiful and much further divorced from fact.
The subject is journalists though, keep the context of the entire conversation @hanimmal and I started.

Falsehoods are lies as much as any other. If you make space to say something Levin or Carleson says could be dangerous, the damage she does by sharing falsehoods could incite someone on the left (remember the 2017 shooting at the Republican practice for the baseball game) in a similar fashion.

She is not news, Carlson is not news. They’re celebrities with personalities with an aim for viewers.
 

mooray

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Your last two sentences are completely true. Just don't think they're peers in terms of what they opine about. Her untruths might make someone angry or scared, but tucker's has literally killed people.
 

nuskool89

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I laugh out loud at many of these right-wing simpletons who always say "yeah but ..." and "what about ..." to anything said about FOX "news." :lol:

And they always mention Rachel Maddow, I can only assume that they are threatened by a woman who is so much smarter than they are!

It's actually hilarious!


:mrgreen:
Its funny because the same can be said about Mark Levin. Left-wing simpletons (calm down, this is in jest I don’t think you’re a simpleton, quite the opposite actually) feel so threatened it makes me chuckle. I merely responded to @hanimmal with two quick examples that have loud voices on the left like the two examples he listed that are very much right wing (Carleson and Levin)
 

printer

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The subject is journalists though, keep the context of the entire conversation @hanimmal and I started.

Falsehoods are lies as much as any other. If you make space to say something Levin or Carleson says could be dangerous, the damage she does by sharing falsehoods could incite someone on the left (remember the 2017 shooting at the Republican practice for the baseball game) in a similar fashion.

She is not news, Carlson is not news. They’re celebrities with personalities with an aim for viewers.
I usually google her 'news' to get more context. There is enough news in her broadcast to watch her occasionally. The right wing pundits, incite violence.
 

CatHedral

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The subject is journalists though, keep the context of the entire conversation @hanimmal and I started.

Falsehoods are lies as much as any other. If you make space to say something Levin or Carleson says could be dangerous, the damage she does by sharing falsehoods could incite someone on the left (remember the 2017 shooting at the Republican practice for the baseball game) in a similar fashion.

She is not news, Carlson is not news. They’re celebrities with personalities with an aim for viewers.
I will not bow to your idea of context when the unevenness of what you’re saying deserves to be pointed out.
 

hillbill

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There has been more than a casual relationship between Putin as well as several other far right authoritarian leaders, and the Elite of the Evangelicals via “World Congress of Families” and other extreme groups.
An Unholy Alliance so to say. Been groomed by Putin for decades.
Fuck em
 

hanimmal

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Don’t freak out, this first one is a breitbart link :shock:




Even the left of center politifact rates her at nearly 50/50


But no she’s totally honest, doesn’t push propaganda, and doesn’t have an agenda
Really man? You are going to use propaganda as your 'debunking' of Maddow? You know that website pushes the Russian disinformation for Trump and the insurrectionist RINO's right? Is that a trusted source of yours? Do you actually believe what they wrote in that, because you really should not.

As for your 'politifact has her at 50/50' thing, did you read those claims?

Yeah there are a couple examples like saying that Trump 'never' said people should get vaccinated that are clearly not fully correct, but to pretend like her saying that when there is a example here and there from Trump talking out of both sides of his mouth makes what she said about him getting vaccinated and hiding it is ridiculous when you try to compare it to flat out propaganda that is being pushed by Fox hate mongers.

I was going to go through line by line your bretibart propaganda, but there is no consistency even in the actual thing written on the website as some bullshit 'proof' was from the actual tweet that the propagandist wrote.

I am glad I looked though, this is the same propagandist that some left troll was pretending was legit in 'the Nation' a while back by using his own stupid as shit propaganda tweets as 'evidence' of what they wanted to sell. It was bullshit then, and is still bullshit when published under a even less credible scam website like breitbart.

https://www.rollitup.org/t/trumps-war-on-factual-news-journalism.1020994/post-15615786Screen Shot 2021-11-03 at 3.20.52 PM.pngScreen Shot 2021-11-03 at 3.20.59 PM.png

My god man, doesn't it bother you that they expect you to be so gullible that you just believe what these far right dick heads write unquestioning because it 'feels' true after decades of brainwashing?


The subject is journalists though, keep the context of the entire conversation @hanimmal and I started.

Falsehoods are lies as much as any other. If you make space to say something Levin or Carleson says could be dangerous, the damage she does by sharing falsehoods could incite someone on the left (remember the 2017 shooting at the Republican practice for the baseball game) in a similar fashion.

She is not news, Carlson is not news. They’re celebrities with personalities with an aim for viewers.
You are just pushing the big lie.

And you never answered, are you ok with the fact that the Russian military is attacking our citizens with the very same propaganda that you seem to want to believe?
 

Fogdog

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Bullshit. Rachel Maddow is liberal Mark Levin. Don Lemon is liberal Tucker. You’re blinded by bias if you can’t face that honestly.

edit: there are literal troll armies on the Washington post comment sections that militantly attack anyone and everyone that don’t push the “propaganda,” especially if the writer happens to put out a piece that diminishes any Democrat. I’ve observed that for years now. There are troll groups that hit up breitbart comment sections all the time. I see wack jobs from the right do the same thing on places like salon.com and Theroot.com too

Both sides exist because guess what, both sides are people. You can’t just lump people into a group to dismiss anything they stand for or view as right/wrong. I also don’t assume you are everything I dislike about one party or another in human form. Maybe @UncleBuck, but not you @hanimmal ;)
lulz "both sides bad". Fuck that.

I know that you can't understand this, but Tucker making false claims in their broadcasts to enrage a naïve audience is not the same as Maddow reporting facts when making an argument for action.
 
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