The people behind the violence in the American protests of George Floyd.
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hanimmal
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hanimmal
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https://apnews.com/article/fires-oregon-george-floyd-portland-1de227091103e86a5844c36fac0cfc7c
https://twitter.com/ndpendentpdx?lang=en
Couple white guys pushing burning cans against the buildings. Get some clear shots of their faces when the one idiot burns his eyes.
Looks like the MAGA crowd burning flags, I am guessing more footage will trickle out blaming "ANTIFA" on their propaganda youtube clickbait soon, so maybe there will be more video, but even then it tends to point away from a lot of the action to hide the people directing the photo-ops.
I was looking for footage of this and came across this twitter feed:
https://twitter.com/ndpendentpdx?lang=en
Couple white guys pushing burning cans against the buildings. Get some clear shots of their faces when the one idiot burns his eyes.
Looks like the MAGA crowd burning flags, I am guessing more footage will trickle out blaming "ANTIFA" on their propaganda youtube clickbait soon, so maybe there will be more video, but even then it tends to point away from a lot of the action to hide the people directing the photo-ops.
Fogdog
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Mayor Wheeler is out of his depth and needs to go.
He inherited undeserved status from his rich and well connected father. It's just another sign that leadership skills are not inheritable.
hanimmal
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I really don't know anything about him.
So I googled him, looks like a Republican that decided to switch to being a Democrat.
Found this too, thought it might be a good listen.
hanimmal
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Kill a couple mentally impaired people with an illegal gun and the right wing do everything they can to make this killer a hero. Someone who kills a Trump supporter with a legal firearm under a similar situation and they get a tweet from Trump that leads to them being shot up for over a minute.
They are totally going to let this murderer off.
They are totally going to let this murderer off.
Don't care much about this, but I have to ask, has it been proven in court that the dead guys were rioters/looters?
Also, her take was weird. The self-defense obviously doesn't come from, "I felt my life was being threatened because that guy over there was setting a building on fire". She may not have watched any of the videos.
Also, her take was weird. The self-defense obviously doesn't come from, "I felt my life was being threatened because that guy over there was setting a building on fire". She may not have watched any of the videos.
hanimmal
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Not anywhere that I have seen. The one guy was from Texas and just got released from a mental hospital that day that was killed by Rittenhouse who was from Illinois. So at the end of the day this is just more white people from 'red' areas running around causing violence in a 'blue' city that the right wing propaganda spam paint as 'BLM rioters'.
Was just googling the charges against him; intentional homicide, attempted intentional homicide, reckless homicide, reckless endangerment(2x), and the minor in possession of a firearm. I thought it was just going to be some degree of murder or manslaughter and the minor in possession, which there's no way he'd be found guilty of any degree of murder, imo. Quick google search says reckless homicide is where "a person's negligence created an unreasonable risk or where a person consciously took a chance resulting in the death of a person ". Were he 18 and his possession legal and constitutionally supported, I'd say the legality of carrying would essentially negate the "unreasonable" part. He was definitely a minor in possession, which really lays the groundwork for the reckless charges. I'm gonna have to make a 180 on this one. Seems pretty straightforward now.
hanimmal
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Hopefully, I heard something about this judge being a troll, but it was in the background and since the trial is going to begin soon there is nothing to do but wait to see if this little brainwashed right wing poster child murderer gets off or not.
hanimmal
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https://www.rawstory.com/trump-train-lawsuit/
As supporters of then-President Donald Trump surrounded and harassed a Joe Biden campaign bus on a Central Texas highway last year, San Marcos police officials and 911 dispatchers fielded multiple requests for assistance from Democratic campaigners and bus passengers who said they feared for their safety from a pack of motorists, known as a "Trump Train," allegedly driving in dangerously aggressive ways.
"San Marcos refused to help," an amended federal lawsuit over the 2020 freeway skirmish claims.
Transcribed 911 audio recordings and documents that reveal behind-the-scenes communications among law enforcement and dispatchers were included in the amended lawsuit, filed late Friday.
The transcribed recordings were filed in an attempt to show that San Marcos law enforcement leaders chose not to provide the bus with a police escort multiple times, even though police departments in other nearby cities did. In one transcribed recording, Matthew Daenzer, a San Marcos police corporal on duty the day of the incident, refused to provide an escort when recommended by another jurisdiction.
"No, we're not going to do it," Daenzer told a 911 dispatcher, according to the amended filing. "We will 'close patrol' that, but we're not going to escort a bus."
The amended filing also states that in those audio recordings, law enforcement officers "privately laughed" and "joked about the victims and their distress."
Former state Sen. Wendy Davis, who was running for Congress at the time, is among the four plaintiffs in the lawsuit. The new complaint also expands the number of people and entities being sued to include Daenzer, San Marcos assistant police chief Brandon Winkenwerder and the city itself. A spokesperson for the city did not immediately respond to a request for comment late Friday. Daenzer and Winkenwerder could not immediately be reached.
The confrontation between the Biden bus and the Trump supporters made national news after it was captured on video the last weekend of October 2020, when polls showed a tight race in Texas between the two candidates. Trump later praised his supporters' behavior, which occurred months before the former president's backers violently stormed the U.S. Capitol in an apparent attempt to stop Congress from certifying the results of his reelection loss.
The Texas highway incident featured at least one minor collision and led to Texas Democrats canceling three scheduled campaign events in Central Texas, citing "safety concerns." The original lawsuit was filed against Chase Stapp, San Marcos' director of public safety, and the San Marcos city marshal's department and claims the plaintiffs continue to suffer psychological and emotional injury from the event. They are asking for compensatory and punitive damages and for legal fees.
The lawsuit alleges that by refusing the help, law enforcement officers violated the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 because they were aware of "acts of violent political intimidation" but did not take appropriate steps to prevent the Trump supporters from intimidating eligible voters.
The provision of the Klan Act that the plaintiffs are citing in the lawsuit has laid dormant for years, but saw a resurgence under the Trump administration, according to Project Democracy lawyer John Paredes, who is representing some of the plaintiffs. It was also recently cited in a federal lawsuit against Trump after the Jan. 6 insurrection.
A second lawsuit was filed against a group of Trump supporters who allegedly harassed and followed the bus. That lawsuit claims the group of Trump supporters who surrounded the bus also violated Ku Klux Klan Act and Texas law by organizing a "politically-motivated conspiracy to disrupt the campaign and intimidate its supporters."
"We're not going to escort a bus"
The amended complaint in the lawsuit against officials said that a San Marcos crime analyst and a Biden supporter both alerted city police that the Biden bus was being followed by Trump supporters as it traveled to a scheduled campaign stop at Texas State University in San Marcos.
While Stapp, the public safety director, told the Biden supporter that San Marcos police would send backup, he did not order an escort. The complaint said he sent the information to Winkenwerder, the assistant police chief. Winkerwerder also did not order an escort or assistance, the complaint alleges. Instead, he told officers to "close patrol" the area near the university.
When the Biden bus entered San Marcos' jurisdiction, a New Braunfels 911 dispatcher attempted to get San Marcos police to take over the escort that city had provided along Interstate 35.
The 911 dispatcher in San Marcos put the New Braunfels dispatcher and the Biden campaign staffer who was pleading for assistance on hold and called Daenzer, the police supervisor on duty.
"I am so annoyed at New Braunfels for doing this to us," the dispatcher tells Daenzer, who answered the call and began laughing, according to the transcribed recording in the filing. "They have their officers escorting this Biden bus, essentially, and the Trump Train is cutting in between vehicles and driving — being aggressive and slowing them down to like 20 or 30 miles per hour. And they want you guys to respond to help."
"No, we're not going to do it. We will 'close patrol' that, but we're not going to escort a bus," Daenzer responds.
The transcript shows that the 911 dispatcher passes along information about the sense of danger expressed by the Biden campaign staffer who called for assistance as he was trying to caravan behind the bus in a white SUV.
"[T]hey're like really worked up over it and he's like breathing hard and stuff, like, 'they're being really aggressive.' Okay. Calm down," she said to Daenzer.
The transcription shows that Daenzer said the Biden bus should "drive defensively and it'll be great."
"Or leave the train," the 911 dispatcher responds. "There's an idea."
According to the transcription in the complaint, the dispatcher gets back on the phone with the Biden staffer and tells him there would be no escort.
"If you feel like you're being threatened or your life is threatened, definitely call us back," she told him.
"Are you kidding me, ma'am?" the staffer responded before saying "they've threatened my life on multiple occasions with vehicular collision" and again asking for an escort.
The dispatcher repeated that officers would be there to monitor traffic infractions, but said there would be no escort and indicated that decision was made by a high-ranking police official the lawsuit claims is Winkenwerder.
The bus "could really use your help"
According to Friday's filing, San Marcos police continued to receive 911 calls from other witnesses warning them of reckless driving along I-35, but the police department did not send an escort. The Biden campaign decided to cancel its event in San Marcos and continue north toward Austin.
Eric Cervini, one campaign volunteer and a plaintiff, had already arrived at the San Marcos event location. He alerted Cole Stapp, a deputy in the city marshal's department who was at the site, that the event was canceled and told him the bus "could really use your help," the filing stated.
When Cole Stapp called 911 dispatch to relay the message that the Biden event in San Marcos was canceled, he did not share that the bus needed help, according to another transcribed audio recording in the amended filing.
Instead, he told Cervini the people on the bus should call 911 if they needed emergency services. When Cervini informed him the bus had already called 911 and shared the bus's exact location, Cole Stapp noted the bus was near the police headquarters, the filing states.
"Despite these multiple calls for help from Plaintiffs and others, for the roughly 30 minutes it took to drive through San Marcos on the main highway that runs through it, there were no officers from San Marcos or any other police cars in sight–not on the I-35 exit or entrance ramps, nor on either side of the highway," the filing read.
Without a police escort, those on the bus allege, the Trump supporters grew more aggressive surrounding the bus and the campaign staffers' car. At one point, there was a collision between one of the Trump supporters and the white SUV driven by the Biden campaign staffer who had earlier connected to the San Marcos dispatcher. It wasn't until the bus reached Kyle around 3:46 p.m. that a police escort from that city arrived and the Trump supporters moved away from the vehicle, the lawsuit alleges.
But when the Kyle police escort departed at the Travis County line, the filing stated, the trucks of Trump supporters "resumed their threatening behavior." It wasn't until the bus was able to make it to a campaign stop in Austin that those onboard were able to get off. The Biden campaign canceled multiple events due to safety reasons.
Allegations of poking fun at the attack
hanimmal
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https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-kyle-rittenhouse-judge-kenosha-shooting-20211028-zzh5ma4i65dtbdriaxadk5utdy-story.html
KENOSHA, Wis. — In the weeks leading up to Kyle Rittenhouse’s murder trial, attorneys on both sides made clear they wanted prospective jurors to fill out questionnaires before the selection process began.
It was a fairly routine request, given judges and attorneys across the country have relied upon such forms for decades in high-profile trials to identify people with potential biases and conflicts of interest.
But Kenosha Circuit Judge Bruce Schroeder wouldn’t hear of it.
“I maybe have tried more murder cases than anyone in the state and I’ve never used a jury questionnaire that I can recall,” he told the lawyers. “And if I did, it was a moment of weakness.”
And so it goes in Schroeder’s courtroom, where Wisconsin’s longest-serving circuit judge presides over cases with hard-line positions and chatty asides.
Schroeder, 75, will step into the national spotlight Monday as jury selection begins in Rittenhouse’s murder trial.
Rittenhouse, who lived in far north suburban Chicago, was 17 when he fatally shot two people and injured a third in downtown Kenosha with an AR-15-style rifle that police say a friend illegally purchased for him. Despite not being old enough to openly carry a gun, Rittenhouse took it upon himself to patrol the southeast Wisconsin town amid the turmoil surrounding the shooting of Jacob Blake, a Black man, by a white police officer in August 2020.
The case, which laid bare the country’s deep political divide over gun rights and racial inequities, will be undoubtedly the biggest in Schroeder’s career, but he is not new to the public stage or controversy. A circuit judge since 1983, he has made headlines for decades as he pushed for more flexibility on state-mandated child support rules, imposed a sentence intended to shame a defendant and became among the first judges in the United States to require sex workers to take AIDS tests.
At one point, so many Kenosha defendants petitioned to have their cases moved from Schroeder’s courtroom, it caused a workload imbalance at the courthouse. Between August and November 2006, as many as 250 defendants used their one-time option to switch judges rather than face Schroeder, according to The Associated Press.
The judge called the situation “almost irrational,” while many in the local legal community believed it reflected Schroeder’s reputation for handing out tough punishments. Though well-known for giving defendants leeway to present their defense, he is not considered as merciful once there’s a conviction.
“Some would view him as a stiff sentencer, and I think that was behind a lot of the switching,” said veteran defense attorney Terry Rose, who does not opt out of Schroeder’s courtroom unless a client insists. “But you will be able to get a fair trial and be able to put on your defense. That’s what I care about.”
Schroeder’s immoderate punishments raised eyebrows in 2018, when he required, as a condition of a woman’s shoplifting sentence, that she inform the management of any store she entered that she was on supervision for the offense. The judge acknowledged the unusual sentence was meant to humiliate the woman, stating that although society no longer places defendants in the stockade for their crimes, “embarrassment does have a valuable place in deterring criminality.”
A Wisconsin Court of Appeals disagreed earlier this year and overturned part of the sentence. In upholding Schroeder’s order banning the woman from the outlet mall where the shoplifting occurred, the court found the additional restrictions could make it difficult for the woman to buy groceries or other necessities if store managers in other locations refused her entry because of her confession.
“We are not persuaded that embarrassing or humiliating defendants with a state-imposed broad notification program promotes their rehabilitation,” the decision stated.
All judges — especially those who have been on the bench since the Reagan administration — are overturned at some point in their careers, and Schroeder acknowledges his reversals openly. He has mentioned a few during Rittenhouse’s pretrial hearings, including one case in which an evidentiary mistake led the Wisconsin Supreme Court to order a new trial for a man convicted of killing his wife and given a life sentence in 2008.
But neither the threat of reversals nor the increased scrutiny surrounding the Rittenhouse trial will influence how he approaches the case, several local attorneys told the Tribune.
“It won’t faze him at all,” longtime Kenosha defense attorney Michael Cicchini said. “One thing that he is, is confident. You may have picked up on that.”
A die-hard Milwaukee Brewers fan with a deep affinity for Kenosha history, Schroeder has been a mainstay at the city’s stately courthouse for a half-century. He joined the district attorney’s office in 1971 after graduating from Marquette University Law School and became the county’s top prosecutor just one year later.
He often reminisces about his time as a prosecutor while on the bench, offering the occasionally meandering anecdote to explain a ruling. At a recent Rittenhouse hearing, for example, he said he would allow an expert witness to testify about the shooting timeline because bystanders traditionally have unreliable memories about time and distances.
“I had a deputy sheriff one time testify that the width of a standard-sized automobile was 4 feet and you could not shake him from that,” Schroeder said. “He could not be shook and the case was lost — and I know because I was the prosecutor.”
Then-Gov. Anthony Earl, a Democrat, appointed Schroeder to the bench in 1983, and he has won every election for the nonpartisan job since that time. He was reelected without any opposition in 2020, and his current term ends in 2026.
In the months leading up to the Rittenhouse trial, Schroeder has made a series of off-the-cuff statements that have raised eyebrows among observers. The most recent came Monday, when he reiterated that prosecutors may not refer to the men Rittenhouse shot as “victims.” The defense, however, will be allowed to call them “rioters, looters and arsonists” if they present evidence supporting the claim.
Joseph Rosenbaum and Anthony Huber both died after Rittenhouse shot them, while a third man, Gaige Grosskreutz, was injured.
“He can demonize them if he wants, if he thinks it will win points with the jury,” Schroeder said.
It’s not uncommon for judges to bar the word “victims” in self-defense cases where there is a dispute over who bears responsibility. Prosecutors acknowledge it’s a long-standing rule in Schroeder’s courtroom and not unique to Rittenhouse’s trial, but the edict drew sharp criticism from social justice advocates who repeatedly have accused the judge of favoring Rittenhouse.
“This case continues to be a show of white privilege,” said Justin Blake, the uncle of Jacob Blake. “This is eroding confidence in the justice system and making a mockery of our constitution.”
Local attorneys say the decision reflects Schroeder’s penchant for giving defendants wide latitude to tell jurors their side of the story. Several told the Tribune that the judge would have ruled the same way if the accused wasn’t Rittenhouse.
“This is a man who has given the defense a chance to present their case as long as I’ve been in his courtroom,” Cicchini said. “He’s very consistent in that way, and that’s a good thing for all defendants regardless of their skin color.”
Protesters called for Schroeder’s resignation this summer when he refused to revoke Rittenhouse’s bond after pictures showed him allegedly socializing with a far-right group and flashing a hand sign appropriated by some white supremacists.
Prosecutors acknowledge they cannot prove Rittenhouse’s connection to fringe groups before the shooting, but they say they have evidence Rittenhouse met for lunch after a court hearing earlier this year with several high-ranking members of the Proud Boys organization, a far-right group known for street fights that the Anti-Defamation League characterizes as “misogynistic, Islamophobic, transphobic and anti-immigration,” with some members espousing “white supremacist and anti-Semitic ideologies.”
The Southern Poverty Law Center labels the organization a general hate group.
CatHedral
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Stocks or pillory. Stockade is a type of fence.
hanimmal
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I dont understand.
