BobBitchen
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you said " before I put that clone on 12.12"
If you're talking light schedule, then 18/6
if you mean 24/0 that will work also, I believe in a dark period myself, thats what works for me.
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you said " before I put that clone on 12.12"
If you're talking light schedule, then 18/6
if you mean 24/0 that will work also, I believe in a dark period myself, thats what works for me.
bk78
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Both work. I do 24/7 for full veg right up to flower. Keeps the environment in check always
Nah I meant the mother plant of those I'm going to switch her over soon so I'm just trying to do some more cuttings so I have a replica of her before I do
you said " before I put that clone on 12.12"
If you're talking light schedule, then 18/6
if you mean 24/0 that will work also, I believe in a dark period myself, thats what works for me.
Yeah I've heard how everyone does it differently some have few hours off some do 24 what does best tho
OK I have idea of making my own water system to do my clones from now on so a bucket cut some holes in top for plugs run a water pump in with a hose to a sprinkler to push the water up to the cuttings would a normal sprinkler be OK do u think
Cotyledon420
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Im sure if you keep the plants misted and pH correct with temperature everything that a regular cloner would be doin...I don't see why it wouldn't I don't know enuff about them to build one...you gotta really do your research...but man I seem some cheap ones for lik $50-70 I would rather buy one...that's me tho...how are the clones doin on your current batch ?
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Cotyledon420
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The canadian plant science publishing bk posted I read it yesterday a lot of it and some...cutting %30 of leaf tips reduced the rooting success by %18. It was the only study I could find on this topic anything else that confirmed it was referring to that same university study. I could not find any secondary data to support this. But it is still something to be considered.
I did find some other information, "Optimal root zone temperatures for herbaceous (e.g cannabis) tends to be about 25°-27° C (77°-80.6°F). It is important to NOT let the root zone temperature to go above 28°C (82.6°F) as this can starve oxygen and create a environment for fungal pathogens and root causing damage/rot to the stem."
I also read cutting your stem at a 45 degree angle does increase the surface area for root growth. "However, if a tool damages the stem’s vascular system during the process of making the cut, then a clone will likely experience water stress regardless of other environmental conditions."
Another thing according to the Canadian Plant Science Publication cuttings with 3 leafs are better than cuttings with 2 leafs so keep all this in mind when cloning your second round...here's a couple links worth looking into and you can find the FULL university study in the very first link...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov be by/pmc/articles/PMC6422331/
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I did find some other information, "Optimal root zone temperatures for herbaceous (e.g cannabis) tends to be about 25°-27° C (77°-80.6°F). It is important to NOT let the root zone temperature to go above 28°C (82.6°F) as this can starve oxygen and create a environment for fungal pathogens and root causing damage/rot to the stem."
I also read cutting your stem at a 45 degree angle does increase the surface area for root growth. "However, if a tool damages the stem’s vascular system during the process of making the cut, then a clone will likely experience water stress regardless of other environmental conditions."
Another thing according to the Canadian Plant Science Publication cuttings with 3 leafs are better than cuttings with 2 leafs so keep all this in mind when cloning your second round...here's a couple links worth looking into and you can find the FULL university study in the very first link...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov be by/pmc/articles/PMC6422331/
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Cotyledon420
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If your not a organic grower you can use a IBA rooting hormone too but I use aloe personally
There OK I guess it's a real waiting buzz really tho aye I just got to find the right method for me and I'm sure one out of them should be OK and I'll be happy with that I know of other methods some are easier simple put on a window sill is one which is pritty simple I've just tryed that with a tomato plant to see how easy it is with them
Cotyledon420
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I used solo cups with regular potting soil in a humidity dome before you don't have to use rock wool....your humidity dome will work.....what type of rooting hormone are you using? What's ur full process...
You take the cutting then what?
Dip into water then leave while for little maybe 30 seconds then out into clonex gel then into Rockwool but I just done some 5mins ago and did them in jiffy puks saves all the pH shit then straight under dome which has other ones in them from another plant seem to be OK but yeah this my first time cloning just trying to figger out the method that works really so I have endless supply
Oh forgot the cut below the nod about 5 inches or something and cut all the fan leaves off leaving the top two and the wat is it called
Nod and yeah I read that thing u put up was telling how trimming the leaves is actually not good I meen the tips of them which yeah I'm sure that's wat I read I took a bit of stuff out of it like keeping everything warm not cold and the dome ready for everything to go in humidity wise I writing it all down so just going to make a tick list now so I have everything to perform at my best for them
Nod and yeah I read that thing u put up was telling how trimming the leaves is actually not good I meen the tips of them which yeah I'm sure that's wat I read I took a bit of stuff out of it like keeping everything warm not cold and the dome ready for everything to go in humidity wise I writing it all down so just going to make a tick list now so I have everything to perform at my best for them
And oh sorry one in water the other with jiffy puk and a bag over it just let fresh air in it everyday or something but that be enough humidity for it I'm sure
At the bottom of puk I put seedling soil and sprayed it lightly with water for moisture but yeah well see in a week or so how those all go
Cotyledon420
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I'd get away from the Jiffy pucks I've heard that some people have had problems with fungus and they don't decompose fully...you don't even need them
I cut them way down to the bottom this is preference but it doesn't have to be 5 inches you can cut lower so you have a little extra room and if you need it to be shorter you can just make extra cuts to make it the height you need..some people even will make the final cut under water...hope that didn't confuse you
It doesn't have to be cut at 45° angle it can be a flat cut...remember from what we read if you damage the vascular tissue it can cause water stress
So once you cut the branch you want trim the fan leaves off...remember 3 leaves are suppose to be better than 2 so leave a extra fan leaf
Next time if you WANT cut the tips off of some and leave the tips on the other ones to see (I always cut the tips off and had great success but I will be leaving some on next time just to see) I like to experiment
Some people say scrape the bottom part of the branch to encourage root growth (I do and it seems to work just fine imo)
Now dip the clone in cloneX or a number of different things can be used as a rooting hormone like I said earlier I use aloe...I cut a piece of aloe plant and dip it directly into the aloe jel...some people make a mix of aloe and water and dip it in that
Once the clone is dipped, it can be put directly into a light potting soil mix (not to hot, soil with a lot of nutrients can burn the clone)
OR
You can use Rockwool once they root they need to but into soil asap because they need nutrients
OR
They have rooter plugs that decompose alot better than jiffy pucks
If money is a issue then use what you got man...I just used regular potting soil in a solo cup and it worked fine for me and you don't have to pH it like you do with Rockwool plus I had about %80-70 success using just soil so take more clones than what you think you'll need
Put them in the humidity dome (I made my own)
Don't over crowd the clones don't have leaves over lapping give them room
Raise your light I think that was your problem to begin with
Later down the road maybe get a aero cloner I'm thinking about it those have almost %100 success rate but I do fine with just potting soil in a humidity dome...but for now I'd focus on the clones you got
I hope this helps I'll check back on you in a week or so or sooner
Remember you can take clones from a flowering plant too it's called "monster cropping " so if these fail you can always take another one if you want to keep this plant around
I cut them way down to the bottom this is preference but it doesn't have to be 5 inches you can cut lower so you have a little extra room and if you need it to be shorter you can just make extra cuts to make it the height you need..some people even will make the final cut under water...hope that didn't confuse you
It doesn't have to be cut at 45° angle it can be a flat cut...remember from what we read if you damage the vascular tissue it can cause water stress
So once you cut the branch you want trim the fan leaves off...remember 3 leaves are suppose to be better than 2 so leave a extra fan leaf
Next time if you WANT cut the tips off of some and leave the tips on the other ones to see (I always cut the tips off and had great success but I will be leaving some on next time just to see) I like to experiment
Some people say scrape the bottom part of the branch to encourage root growth (I do and it seems to work just fine imo)
Now dip the clone in cloneX or a number of different things can be used as a rooting hormone like I said earlier I use aloe...I cut a piece of aloe plant and dip it directly into the aloe jel...some people make a mix of aloe and water and dip it in that
Once the clone is dipped, it can be put directly into a light potting soil mix (not to hot, soil with a lot of nutrients can burn the clone)
OR
You can use Rockwool once they root they need to but into soil asap because they need nutrients
OR
They have rooter plugs that decompose alot better than jiffy pucks
If money is a issue then use what you got man...I just used regular potting soil in a solo cup and it worked fine for me and you don't have to pH it like you do with Rockwool plus I had about %80-70 success using just soil so take more clones than what you think you'll need
Put them in the humidity dome (I made my own)
Don't over crowd the clones don't have leaves over lapping give them room
Raise your light I think that was your problem to begin with
Later down the road maybe get a aero cloner I'm thinking about it those have almost %100 success rate but I do fine with just potting soil in a humidity dome...but for now I'd focus on the clones you got
I hope this helps I'll check back on you in a week or so or sooner
Remember you can take clones from a flowering plant too it's called "monster cropping " so if these fail you can always take another one if you want to keep this plant around
Cotyledon420
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Tomatoes are really easy to clone btw they will root directly in tap water I've done it before I threw the clone out but yea it will root in regular tap water...now cannabis didnt really want to root when I tried that