Climate in the 21st Century

Will Humankind see the 22nd Century?

  • Not a fucking chance

    Votes: 44 28.0%
  • Maybe. if we get our act together

    Votes: 41 26.1%
  • Yes, we will survive

    Votes: 72 45.9%

  • Total voters
    157

injinji

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It is going to be all fucked. Heck, the Atlantic elevator might stop and Europe may freeze. Well, at least the Russians will have them over a barrel. Or a natural gas pipeline.
The Gulf Stream is powered by down drafts of heavy salt water that is left when icebergs form. If the ice sheet in Greenland melts that will dump lots more freshwater into the mix and might reverse or stop it flowing. And I don't need to remind anyone that the mild climate in Europe is due to the Gulf Stream.
 

Three Berries

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And how stupid is it to grow trees in the SE USA, cut them down for wood pellet fuel to ship to the EU so they can burn it to make electricity? All in the name of renewable fuel.
 

printer

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Latest projections for drought-plagued Colorado River more troubling
The Bureau of Reclamation's projections, used to aid in determining water management planning, found the drought plaguing the Colorado River Basin could lead to Lake Powell and Lake Mead hitting “critically-low elevations.”

The projection shows a 66 percent chance that Lake Mead, which is used to determine the amount of river water certain states receive from the river basin, could reach a low enough level that California could be cut by 2025.

Lake Powell, meanwhile, holds a 25 percent to 35 percent chance of falling below its minimum power pool range after 2022. This factors in the 3 percent chance the lake declines to a level where the Glen Canyon Dam becomes unable to produce hydropower by July 2022.

“The latest outlook for Lake Powell is troubling,” Reclamation’s Upper Colorado Basin Regional Director Wayne Pullan said in a news release. “This highlights the importance of continuing to work collaboratively with the Basin States, Tribes and other partners toward solutions.”

The total Colorado River system storage runoff is 39 percent of its capacity currently, a decline from its 49 percent capacity this time last year.

The bureau announced in August the first recorded shortage to the Colorado River, which will lead to Arizona, Nevada and Mexico receiving less water next year.

“We’re providing detailed information on our modeling and projections to further generate productive discussions about the future of Lake Powell and Lake Mead based on the best data available,” said Reclamation’s Lower Colorado Basin Regional Director Jacklynn Gould. “Being prepared to adopt further actions to protect the elevations at these reservoirs remains a Reclamation priority and focus.”
 

Jimdamick

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My worry is for the nieces/nephews/Gkids and the struggles that will ensue once fossil fuels have been depleted. The chart below illustrates the consumption of fossil fuels and it's connection to our food production. I see a return to a lot of manual labour in the future - not that that is a bad thing - perhaps we'd be less wasteful/gluttonous then.

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Yup, man (women weren't allowed, remember?), raped the shit out of Mother Earth & gave nothing back but destruction for Her gifts.
And you know what killed us/Her?
Greed
Simple fucking greed that over the eons developed from simple barter in a cave over a piece of Mastodon meat to Wall St/Dow Jones control of the world thru gold & paper, not guns. (they really mean shit today, Money Markets are much cheaper and effective)
And you know what Greed is known as today?
Fucking Capitalism!!!
Yup, with the development of the purest form of greed, the American version of Capitalism, expressed thru/by Wall St, this Planet has been destroyed by pulling minerals & coal thru mining with no regard to the aftermath, blocking rivers to build dams, de-forestation & overfishing & general indiscriminate dumping of waste & creating toxic chemicals that they handed out to unsuspecting consumers.
We fucked ourselve for a fucking Dollar bill.
No other reason
Doesn't get much sadder than that, does it?

 
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injinji

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They never worried about that crap back when it was 110F out and I had to work. They were generous and gave us salt pills and lemonade at breaktime.....
Most of the folks with capital really don't care about their workers. Once in a while you will luck and and find a good one, but the odds are not in your favor.
 

hanimmal

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Montana, the Dakotas, Minnesota, Michigan will all hold up really well with the climate warming too. All those transplants from the west coast/desert states and southern flooding zones will fill up those states is my guess.
 

Three Berries

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Most of the folks with capital really don't care about their workers. Once in a while you will luck and and find a good one, but the odds are not in your favor.
Most people can take the heat too. Ever baled straw when the sun is shinning and its in the 90F? Air Conditioning has contributed to a large part of the increased energy usage around the world.
 

Three Berries

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The amount of freshwater in the ground has a lot to do with it. If we pump out too much, or if there is serious drops in the water table due to droughts the land will sink faster.
No it's not because of droughts, it's because people are using the water. All we need are a few million windmills or couple of nuke plants to run desalinization plants to get all the fresh water we want.
 

printer

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Most people can take the heat too. Ever baled straw when the sun is shinning and its in the 90F? Air Conditioning has contributed to a large part of the increased energy usage around the world.
I have worked the fields with it being that hot. When it gets hotter than that it gets to be a problem. But we will just turn on the ac and start the car before getting into it. The water issue is the one that may drive people out.
 

injinji

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The USA has reduced it's CO2 output considerably. ChYna not so much. ChYna is going to build 43 more coal plants that are already under construction or on the plans. And more in their third world countries they are bribing with loans on infrastructure that they will default on then ChYna owns them too. Assuming their real estate market doesn't bring them down completely here shortly.

So the USA cuts out our coal plants. And then when the weather doesn't cooperate we sit in the dark. Yet ChYna is humming along just fine. The best way to reduce the population is to reduce their energy consumption. Reducing the global population is the real goal of Climate Change mandates.
We had a down turn in emissions after last year's shutdown due to covid. Now it is back up to normal. States and power companies are putting in more wind and solar power because it is getting to be more economical. With some tax breaks this would go much faster. (oil and gas companies have been getting tax breaks since not long after the first well was drilled in Pa in 1859)

Coal fired power plants are being shut down because natural gas is cheaper. Under Mr Trumpf they continued to be shut down, even though he had done away with regulations that the industry didn't like.
 

hanimmal

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The USA has reduced it's CO2 output considerably. ChYna not so much. ChYna is going to build 43 more coal plants that are already under construction or on the plans. And more in their third world countries they are bribing with loans on infrastructure that they will default on then ChYna owns them too. Assuming their real estate market doesn't bring them down completely here shortly.

So the USA cuts out our coal plants. And then when the weather doesn't cooperate we sit in the dark. Yet ChYna is humming along just fine. The best way to reduce the population is to reduce their energy consumption. Reducing the global population is the real goal of Climate Change mandates.
You are so full of shit would be actually sadly funny if it wasn't so dangerous. Spamming the lies that shit heads like the Epoch Times do to try to actually hurt our nation and creates too much distrust when it spreads unchecked.

https://apnews.com/article/united-nations-general-assembly-joe-biden-climate-environment-and-nature-xi-jinping-1a8d8d5f0aab28b8ae8d3217914a1240
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The two biggest economies and largest carbon polluters in the world announced separate financial attacks on climate change Tuesday.

Chinese President Xi Jinping said his country will no longer fund coal-fired power plants abroad, surprising the world on climate for the second straight year at the U.N. General Assembly. That came hours after U.S. President Joe Biden announced a plan to double financial aid to poorer nations to $11.4 billion by 2024 so those countries could switch to cleaner energy and cope with global warming’s worsening impacts. That puts rich nations close to within reach of its long-promised but not realized goal of $100 billion a year in climate help for developing nations.

“This is an absolutely seminal moment,” said Xinyue Ma, an expert on energy development finance at Boston University’s Global Development Policy Center.

This could provide some momentum going into major climate talks in Glasgow, Scotland, in less than six weeks, experts said. Running up to the historic 2015 Paris climate deal, a joint U.S.-China agreement kickstarted successful negotiations. This time, with China-U.S. relations dicey, the two nations made their announcements separately, hours and thousands of miles apart.

“Today was a really good day for the world,” United Kingdom Prime Minister Boris Johnson, who is hosting the upcoming climate negotiations, told Vice President Kamala Harris.

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres, who has made a frenetic push this week for bigger efforts to curb climate change called the two announcements welcome news, but said “we still have a long way to go” to make the Glasgow meeting successful.

Depending on when China’s new coal policy goes into effect, it could shutter 47 planned power plants in 20 developing countries that use the fuel that emits the most heat-trapping gases, about the same amount of coal power as from Germany, according to the European climate think-tank E3G.

“It’s a big deal. China was the only significant funder of overseas coal left. This announcement essentially ends all public support for coal globally,” said Joanna Lewis, an expert on China, energy and climate at Georgetown University. “This is the announcement many have been waiting for.”

From 2013 to 2019, data showed that China was financing 13% of coal-fired power capacity built outside China – “far and away the largest public financier,” said Kevin Gallagher, who directs the Boston University center. Japan and South Korea announced earlier this year that they were getting out of the coal-financing business.

With all three countries pulling out of financing coal abroad “that sends a signal to the global economy. This is a sector that’s fast becoming a stranded asset,” Gallagher said.

While this is a big step it is not quite a death knell for coal, said Byford Tsang, a policy analyst for E3G. That’s because China last year added as much new coal power domestically as was just potentially cancelled abroad, he said.

Tsang cautioned that the one-sentence line in Xi’s speech that mentioned this new policy lacked details like effective dates and whether it applied to private funding as well as public funding.

What also matters is when China stops building new coal plants at home and shutters old ones, Tsang said. That will be part of a push in the G-20 meetings in Italy next month, he said. “The Chinese are going to respond to international pressure, rather than just American bilateral pressure right now,” said Deborah Seligsohn, an expert on China’s politics and energy at Villanova University.

“A coal-free energy mix is still decades in the future” because coal power plants typically operate for 50 years or more, said Stanford University environment director Chris Field.

Many nations that are trying to build their economies — including top polluters China and India — have long argued they needed to industrialize with fossil fuels, like developed nations had already done. Starting in 2009 and then with “a grand bargain” in 2015 in Paris, richer nations promised $100 billion a year in financial help to poorer nations to make the switch from dirty to clean fuel, World Resources Institute climate finance expert Joe Thwaites said.

But as of 2019, the richer nations were only providing $80 billion a year, according to the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development.

So when rich nations like the United States asked poorer ones to do more “it gives any other country a very easy retort,” Thwaites said: “‘You took out commitments and you haven’t delivered on those either.’”″

In April, Biden announced he would double the Obama era financial aid pledge of $2.85 billion a year to $5.7 billion. On Tuesday he announced that he hopes to double that to $11.4 billion a year starting in 2024, but he does need passage from Congress.

The European Union has been doling out $24.5 billion a year with the European Commission recently upping that to more than $4.7 billion over seven years. “The Europeans are doing a lot more and the Americans are lagging behind,” Thwaites said.

He said several studies calculate that based on the U.S. economy, population and carbon pollution, it should be contributing 40% to 47% of the $100 billion fund to be doing its fair share.

But Congressional Republicans aren’t convinced. “We shouldn’t be contributing to a fund that picks winners and losers and further subsidizes China in the process,” said Rep. Garret Graves, R-Louisiana, the ranking Republican on the House Climate Committee.

The time for global grandstanding is over, said Princeton University climate science and international affairs professor Michael Oppenheimer said. “It’s what’s happening on the ground that matters.”

“Accelerating the global phase out of coal is the single most important step” to keeping the Paris agreement’s key warming limit within reach, said U.N. chief Guterres.
 

injinji

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Most people can take the heat too. Ever baled straw when the sun is shinning and its in the 90F? Air Conditioning has contributed to a large part of the increased energy usage around the world.
The danger is in high heat/high humidity days. When the body can not cool itself with sweating. Never baled straw, but farmed my whole life, so I've spent lots of it outside when most folks are in the shade.

Agreed that AC is a big user of power. It is what brought folks to the south.
 
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