• Here is a link to the full explanation: https://rollitup.org/t/welcome-back-did-you-try-turning-it-off-and-on-again.1104810/

QAnon cultists get banned.

mooray

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I have read this post 5x as well as the response chain. I still do not know what you are saying. Would you break it down for me?

emphasis on the emphasized.
Sure thing. Let's say there are two businesses...

Business A says, "hello", "how are you", "have a nice day", and they sell their widget/service and go on about their day and no customers/suppliers have been made to feel anything but welcome and appreciated. Business is good and everyone is happy.

Then you have Business B, and they say, "we hate f@@@ts", which has absolutely nothing to do with the widget/service they're providing, but it's something they personally believe and for whatever reason feel like it's appropriate to express. What they've done is apply a filter for anyone that interacts with them and forces a choice. Either you stand with their hatred and continue doing business with them, or you don't.

That's what Jackson Hole has done; apply a filter to their customers and suppliers. They've forced their suppliers like Patagonia to make a choice, which is what Patagonia has done and now Jackson Hole will suffer for it, which is great. It's just so dumb and pointless to be so self-destructive for such a limited return, like wanting to suck yourself off so badly that you're willing to break your own back to do it.....like yeah you'll get to dump a load, but it's going to be in your own mouth and you're going to be stuck in a wheelchair afterwards.
 
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CatHedral

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Sure thing. Let's say there are two businesses...

Business A says, "hello", "how are you", "have a nice day", and they sell their widget/service and go on about their day and no customers/suppliers have been made to feel anything but welcome and appreciated. Business is good and everyone is happy.

Then you have Business B, and they say, "we hate fa@@ts", which has absolutely nothing to do with the widget/service they're providing, but it's something they personally believe and for whatever reason feel like it's appropriate to express. What they've done is apply a filter for anyone that interacts with them and forces a choice. Either you stand with their hatred and continue doing business with them, or you don't.

That's what Jackson Hole has done; apply a filter to their customers and suppliers. They've forced their suppliers like Patagonia to make a choice, which is what Patagonia has done and now Jackson Hole will suffer for it, which is great. It's just so dumb and pointless to be so self-destructive for such a limited return, like wanting to suck yourself off so badly that you're willing to break your own back to do it.....like yeah you'll get to dump a load, but it's going to be in your own mouth and you're going to be stuck in a wheelchair afterwards.
Thanks, I understand a little better. Why i won't give Chick Fil A money.
 
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hanimmal

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Word.

And I generally avoid harping on the internet, because I think it's just a mirror, but there's a closed loop feedback reward aspect which has become widespread. For example, when I first logon here, I check my notifications, and likes are cool, but I really like it when I see a quote, because I enjoy the engagement. Which I guess isn't so bad, but many people get the same reward from the negative side. Like anything else in pop-culture, it *should* have a lifespan, where the bar keeps getting raised until people eventually get bored.
That is when you cue the trolling.

Im not a psychologist or anything, but I imagine that some kind of sick reward/anger/response feedback loop that hardens people to their worst beliefs. A lot like how people harden themselves to believing when they defend their religion, but without realizing it.

Right? They forced you to make a choice and you did, now they've lost your business. Making money out in the world isn't easy, but some people sure seem hell bent on making it harder for themselves.
It just sucks when people are programmed into thinking that non-personal beliefs are a political stance (like masks/vaccines) try to act like this very logical statement you make pertains to them.
 

CatHedral

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Right? They forced you to make a choice and you did, now they've lost your business. Making money out in the world isn't easy, but some people sure seem hell bent on making it harder for themselves.
Considering how many of my fellow Americans are antivax and anti-education, your last sentence makes me want to day drink.
 

RobCat

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The conspiracies you mentioned are a wholly owned division of World Fascism, LLP. Not a social democrat in sight.

I reject your whataboutism. Fail troll is fail.
whataboutism. Your language speaks volumes. No, they were wealthy pissants with a peter pan complex sitting around all day getting loaded and blaming their perceived problems on everyone else. People should pay $20 an hour to live like they did. If it was a product of "World Fascism" then I wonder why all I saw was liberals talking about it. You say everything about yourself to me when you mention social democrat. I havent met a single one yet that isnt already a fat cat with a world of resources
 
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CatHedral

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whataboutism. Your language speaks volumes. No, they were wealthy pissants with a peter pan complex sitting around all day getting loaded and blaming their problems on everyone else. People should pay $20 a hour to live like they did. If it was a product of "World Fascism" then then i wonder why all I saw was liberals talking about it. You say everything about yourself to me when you mention social democrat. I havent met a single one yet that isnt already a fat cat with a world of resources
I havent met one who isnt. ALL the fat cats I have ever met are Repugs or crypto-Repugs.
Again the dishonesty to further your authoritarian ideology. Why else spew debunked poison on a board largely populated by center and moderate left (with social democrat as the extreme. We have no actual socialists here4 except fpor one or two who lament Bernie, and certainly nobody who meets the hard-left criterion (nationalize the means of production).

Whataboutism is a face card in the current Repug culture war playbook in order to distract and confuse on standard Repug tropes like CRT, gender issues, political aggression blamed on religion, a destructive rebranding of the word patriot, giving trillions to Fortune 500 companies while conspiring to end Social Security. Gerrymandering. Racist voter restricy=tion laws. Forced hysterectomies at the border! Have you thought that last one through without using alt-fact? It leads to ONE PLACE.

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hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-business-technology-germany-europe-97cdf5effe5e29fbf3314b45d844707cScreen Shot 2021-09-28 at 6.22.04 AM.png
Days before Germany’s federal elections, Facebook took what it called an unprecedented step: the removal of a series of accounts that worked together to spread COVID-19 misinformation and encourage violent responses to COVID restrictions.

The crackdown, announced Sept. 16, was the first use of Facebook’s new “coordinated social harm” policy aimed at stopping not state-sponsored disinformation campaigns but otherwise typical users who have mounted an increasingly sophisticated effort to sidestep rules on hate speech or misinformation.

In the case of the German network, the nearly 150 accounts, pages and groups were linked to the so-called Querdenken movement, a loose coalition that has protested lockdown measures in Germany and includes vaccine and mask opponents, conspiracy theorists and some far-right extremists.

Facebook touted the move as an innovative response to potentially harmful content; far-right commenters condemned it as censorship. But a review of the content that was removed — as well as the many more Querdenken posts that are still available — reveals Facebook’s action to be modest at best. At worst, critics say, it could have been a ploy to counter complaints that it doesn’t do enough to stop harmful content.

“This action appears rather to be motivated by Facebook’s desire to demonstrate action to policymakers in the days before an election, not a comprehensive effort to serve the public,” concluded researchers at Reset, a U.K.-based nonprofit that has criticized social media’s role in democratic discourse.

Facebook regularly updates journalists about accounts it removes under policies banning “coordinated inauthentic behavior,” a term it created in 2018 to describe groups or people who work together to mislead others. Since then, it has removed thousands of accounts, mostly what it said were bad actors attempting to interfere in elections and politics in countries around the world.

But there were constraints, since not all harmful behavior on Facebook is “inauthentic”; there are plenty of perfectly authentic groups using social media to incite violence, spread misinformation and hate. So the company was limited by its policy on what it could take down.

But even with the new rule, a problem remains with the takedowns: they don’t make it clear what harmful material remains up on Facebook, making it difficult to determine just what the social network is accomplishing.

Case in point: the Querdenken network. Reset had already been monitoring the accounts removed by Facebook and issued a report that concluded only a small portion of content relating to Querdenken was taken down while many similar posts were allowed to stay up.

The dangers of COVID-19 extremism were underscored days after Facebook’s announcement when a young German gas station worker was fatally shot by a man who had refused to wear a mask. The suspect followed several far-right users on Twitter and had expressed negative views about immigrants and the government.

Facebook initially declined to provide examples of the Querdenken content it removed, but ultimately released four posts to the Associated Press that weren’t dissimilar to content still available on Facebook. They included a post falsely stating that vaccines create new viral variants and another that wished death on police that broke up violent protests against COVID restrictions.

Reset’s analysis of comments removed by Facebook found that many were actually written by people trying to rebut Querdenken arguments, and did not include misinformation.

Facebook defended its action, saying the account removals were never meant to be a blanket ban of Querdenken, but instead a carefully measured response to users who were working together to violate its rules and spread harmful content.

Facebook plans to refine and expand its use of the new policy going forward, according to David Agranovich, Facebook’s director of global threat disruption.

“This is a start,” he told The AP on Monday. “This is us extending our network disruptions model to address new and emerging threats.”

The approach seeks to strike a balance, Agranovich said, between permitting diverse views and preventing harmful content to spread.

The new policy could represent a significant change in the platform’s ability to confront harmful speech, according to Cliff Lampe, a professor of information at the University of Michigan who studies social media.

“In the past they’ve tried to squash cockroaches, but there are always more,” he said. “You can spend all day stomping your feet and you won’t get anywhere. Going after networks is a smart try.”

While the removal of the Querdenken network may have been justified, it should raise questions about Facebook’s role in democratic debates, said Simon Hegelich, a political scientist at the Technical University of Munich.

Hegelich said Facebook appears to be using Germany as a “test case” for the new policy.

“Facebook is really intervening in German politics,” Hegelich said. “The COVID situation is one of the biggest issues in the election. They’re probably right that there’s a lot of misinformation on these sites, but nevertheless it’s a highly political issue, and Facebook is intervening in it.”

Members of the Querdenken movement reacted angrily to Facebook’s decision, but many also expressed a lack of surprise.

“The big delete continues,” one supporter posted in a still-active Querdenken Facebook group, “See you on the street.”
 

schuylaar

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It has to start somewhere. I think we need to first pass a law that our lawmakers, while in office, cannot knowingly mislead the public on any issue without consequence. We need to be able to trust our public officials to either shut up and 'no comment' or tell us the truth. They get sworn in, it is time for us to make that count.
remember when you really didn't hear from lawmakers..?
 

hanimmal

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https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-technology-business-misinformation-public-health-d68aa3f6f6bc44e36c77c33cff4a450aScreen Shot 2021-09-30 at 9.42.48 AM.png
YouTube announced a sweeping crackdown of vaccine misinformation Wednesday that booted popular anti-vaccine influencers from its site and deleted false claims that have been made about a range of immunizations.

The video-sharing platform said it will no longer allow users to baselessly speculate that approved vaccines, like the ones given to prevent the flu or measles, are dangerous or cause diseases.

YouTube’s latest attempt to stem a tide of vaccine misinformation comes as countries around the globe struggle to convince a somewhat vaccine hesitant public to accept the free immunizations that scientists say will end the COVID-19 pandemic that began 20 months ago. The tech platform, which is owned by Google, already tried to ban COVID-19 vaccine misinformation last year, at the height of the pandemic.

“We’ve steadily seen false claims about the coronavirus vaccines spill over into misinformation about vaccines in general, and we’re now at a point where it’s more important than ever to expand the work we started with COVID-19 to other vaccines,” YouTube said in a blog post.

Up until Wednesday, anti-vaccine influencers, who have thousands of subscribers, had used YouTube to stoke fears around vaccines that health experts point out have been safely administered for decades. The YouTube channel of an organization run by environmental activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was one of several popular anti-vaccine accounts that was gone by Wednesday morning.

In an emailed statement to The Associated Press, Kennedy criticized the ban: “There is no instance in history when censorship and secrecy have advanced either democracy or public health.”

YouTube declined to provide details on how many accounts were removed in the crackdown.

Under its new policy, YouTube says it will remove misinformation about any vaccine that has been approved by health authorities, such as the World Health Organization, and is currently being administered. False claims that those vaccines are dangerous or cause health issues, like cancer, infertility or autism — theories that scientists have discredited for decades but have endured on the internet — should also be removed.

“The concept that vaccines harm — instead of help — is at the foundation of a lot of misinformation,” said Jeanine Guidry, a media and public health professor at Virginia Commonwealth University School of Medicine.

She added that, if enforced properly, the new rules could stop bad information from influencing a new parent who is using the internet to research whether or not to vaccinate their child, for example.

But, as is common when tech platforms announce stricter rules, loopholes remain for anti-vaccine misinformation to spread on YouTube.

Claims about vaccines that are being tested will still be allowed. Personal stories about reactions to the vaccine will also be permitted, as long as they do not come from an account that has a history of promoting vaccine misinformation.

Despite tech companies announcing a string of new rules around COVID-19 and vaccine misinformation during the pandemic, falsehoods have still found big audiences on the platforms.

In March, Twitter began labelling content that made misleading claims about COVID-19 vaccines and said it would ban accounts that repeatedly share such posts. Facebook, which also owns Instagram, had already prohibited posts claiming COVID-19 vaccines cause infertility or contain tracking microchips, and in February announced it would similarly remove claims that vaccines are toxic or can cause health problems such as autism.

Yet popular anti-vaccine influencers remain live on Facebook, Instagram and Twitter, where they actively use the platforms to sell books or videos. On Facebook and Instagram alone, a handful of anti-vaccine influencers still have a combined 6.4 million followers, according to social media watchdog group the Center for Countering Digital Hate. And COVID-19 vaccine misinformation has been so pervasive on Facebook that President Joe Biden in July accused influencers on the platform of “killing people” with falsehoods about the COVID-19 vaccine.

Other platforms have taken a harder line. Pinterest, for example, prohibited any kind of vaccine misinformation even before the pandemic began. Now, if users search for content about vaccines on the site, they are directed to visit authoritative websites operated by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, and the WHO. ___
 

hanimmal

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As a longtime Philadelphia police officer working in the Background Investigations Unit, part of Jennifer Gugger's job was to evaluate the social-media activity of new recruits to the force.

But after Gugger, an apparent QAnon adherent, traveled to Washington on Jan. 6, 2021, her own social media posts became the subject of intense scrutiny.

Despite a subsequent internal affairs investigation, Gugger remains on the force one year later while she awaits a disciplinary hearing, the Philadelphia Inquirer reported Friday.

On Jan. 6, Gugger posted on Facebook from DC about having beers with "fellow patriots," using the hashtag #StoptheSteal. Hours after the insurrection, Gugger replied to Vice President Mike Pence on Twitter, accusing him of selling his “soul to the devil.”

Two days later, she wrote to Pence on Twitter, “You’re a traitor and a cabal operative and pedophile!” apparently referencing QAnon conspiracy theories.

A few months before the insurrection, Gugger had changed her Facebook cover photo to the letter "Q" with lightning striking the Washington Monument above the words “The Storm has arrived," the Inquirer reported. On LinkedIn, her profile picture is a photo of her and former Philadelphia Police Inspector Joseph Bologna, who is awaiting trial for assaulting a protester with a baton in 2020.

"Gugger’s presence in Washington on Jan. 6 and her increasingly unhinged social-media activity triggered an Internal Affairs investigation the week after the insurrection. She was reassigned and her gun was taken away," the Inquirer reported.

But a year later, Gugger remains on "restricted duty." A police spokesperson told the newspaper that while at least one department employee was in DC on Jan. 6, an internal affairs investigation found no evidence that anyone took part in the insurrection or entered unauthorized areas.

Gugger, a detective and 33-year veteran of the department, worked prior to being reassigned in the unit whose mission is to “exclude candidates who have demonstrated character traits that are inconsistent with the highest values of the profession,” according to the Inquirer.

"Part of her job was to evaluate the social media activity of police recruits, which made her own posts particularly alarming," the newspaper reported. "Gugger on Thursday responded to a text with only 'no comment.'"

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hanimmal

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The QAnon group has long claimed to be fighting to make the world safe from sexual predators, but it appears there are some in their own ranks.

Newsweek reported Wednesday that YouTube has removed a QAnon channel that frequently featured a convicted child predator. The convicted man, David Todeschini, appeared in at least five videos after Dec. 1.

He was convicted of sexual abuse in the first degree and sodomy in the second degree of an 8-year-old boy. The two sexual assaults are documented in the New York State Criminal Justice System where he's listed as a Level 3 Risk, which is "high risk of repeat offense and a threat to public safety."

Todeschini's crimes were outed by Right Wing Watch in 2021 after he promoted false conspiracy theories about Democrats being part of a child sex ring.

Lies about such a conspiracy going back many years, including the notorious Pizzagate conspiracy that ended with a man coming to the family-friendly establishment with guns claiming he'd liberate the trafficked children. He searched the restaurant and found none and now agrees that the conspiracy was all a lie.

"We terminated the channel flagged to us by Newsweek for its dedication to violating our harassment policy, which prohibits content that targets someone by suggesting they are complicit in a conspiracy theory that is used to justify real-world violence, including QAnon," a YouTube spokesperson said in a statement.

Read the full report here.
 

schuylaar

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Sure thing. Let's say there are two businesses...

Business A says, "hello", "how are you", "have a nice day", and they sell their widget/service and go on about their day and no customers/suppliers have been made to feel anything but welcome and appreciated. Business is good and everyone is happy.

Then you have Business B, and they say, "we hate f@@@ts", which has absolutely nothing to do with the widget/service they're providing, but it's something they personally believe and for whatever reason feel like it's appropriate to express. What they've done is apply a filter for anyone that interacts with them and forces a choice. Either you stand with their hatred and continue doing business with them, or you don't.

That's what Jackson Hole has done; apply a filter to their customers and suppliers. They've forced their suppliers like Patagonia to make a choice, which is what Patagonia has done and now Jackson Hole will suffer for it, which is great. It's just so dumb and pointless to be so self-destructive for such a limited return, like wanting to suck yourself off so badly that you're willing to break your own back to do it.....like yeah you'll get to dump a load, but it's going to be in your own mouth and you're going to be stuck in a wheelchair afterwards.
in your own mouth to spit or swallow.

BOYCOTT!
 
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