Canada’s shameful history of marginalization exposed again.

printer

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This purpose of this thread was to share a story about the horrors indigenous children faced in government sponsored residential schools. Talking about the home life of indigenous children on the reserve is not talking about “the other side of the story”. It’s talking about something else.

It’s a deflection.
No, someone started talking about the water. I happen to know a bit of the water situation in Manitoba. A couple of my Electrical buddies have gone up north to work on the water plants. There was also the call that Canada is causing genocide on Natives. But we have ten times as many of them as we did a century ago. On the cultural genocide, I can give them that one. But the kids up north, they want Rap music, not the wailing and drumming. My Native buddy says he can do the wailing. He is not teaching his kid.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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So I had lost my culture, My parents did not manage to instill the mother tongue into me, I walked away from the religion, darn rock and roll corrupted me. The BS about stolen culture and language is just that. Easy to complain about when you don't make an effort to keep it. Sorry, go tell that to a Jew.
You weren't taken from your parents and forbidden to speak your native language while being psychologically tortured and physically abused under government sanction. Neolithic people adapting to the modern world in a few generations is difficult at best, but what was done to these people was wrong.

I don't disagree with some of the points you made, even if they are politically incorrect, I lived in Winnipeg for over 20 years and while I was there I came to know several of the local native people and something of the conditions there and up north. I also know that there is a lot of prejudice against indigenous people in the Peg.
 

Fogdog

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And that is what I get, what do you know about Black people? Well we have our own version, the troubles coming from the same roots. And I agree, some kids never seen food cooked from the raw state. One of the Natives that I was usually partnered up liked wilted lettuce on a sandwich. One of the other guys said he doesn't have to eat it, why does he. He said it reminded him of eating when he was a kid. It tasted so good because he was hungry, he didn't know it was suppose to be crispy. He still eats it because to him it is something he looked forward to when he was a kid.

My dad, you would think that he would have hated eating potatoes because it was all he had when he was in Siberia. He only got to cook the peels of the potatoes that were scrounged from the kitchen scraps fed the guards. To him, the potato meant life. I ate a lot of potatoes growing up.

But people who have gone through bad times got themselves out of it, my lettuce eating buddy also. Had a foreman in the brewery that also said that he can do better. My mother had some topsoil delivered to her place. She invited the guy and his pre-teenager son in for some coffee and some cookies (kid got milk) The kid wanted another cookie but the dad gave him a stern look, one was enough. He was teaching his son manners. In the end the kid was allowed another one. Had a live firing range here for the German army. They shipped solders here, one got involved with a cousin of mine and they eventually got married. At one of the first large family gatherings we had with him there, the table was filled with different types of food, he took a plate of something that was his favorite and put them all on his plate. We wondered who brought him up?

So yes, a lot of us grew up disadvantaged and did things the hard way. Spent only as much money we had, actually less, putting some away for the future. Others did not. When one person puts some away and the other does not and then both hit hard times and the one is hungry, which one are we going to help out? My summer childhood was filled with weeding fields so we could save a few bucks on food. It is expensive for fresh vegetables to be flown up to the reserves. Do what my parents did, Chop down some trees, make a place to grow a few vegetables. Keep a few chickens, rabbits, a pig.

Sure, most of the band members never grew a thing in their life. But their leaders could scrape together some knowledge to convince some of them to try. Plant a seed and see if it will grow. The people are on the land for generations and they have no vision for what they can leave for others? Because in a few generations the sons of their sons will be there. So why not try and make a better place for others? Oh right, "What is in it for me?" At another place I worked, a partner there had a Native neighbor. They were talking over the fence and saw a car pull up down the street, some Natives get out and walk a number of houses down. The Native neighbor said he was calling the cops. My work buddy asked why. He said Native do not walk any farther than they have to, they could have parked closer, they are here to cause trouble. they broke into a house.

So do I sound racist? I am just telling stories from my past, what Natives I had known talked to me about. I have known a lot of people with troubled pasts. The ones that tried to get out of it did. The ones that wanted someone else to get them out of it didn't. that is all I really have tried to say.
yes

But all I said was you sound racist, not that you are racist. So, don't get your hackles up.

I do wish that white men would stop telling "colored folk" what it's like to grow up in a racist society. They sound racist when they do that.
 

Fogdog

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This purpose of this thread was to share a story about the horrors indigenous children faced in government sponsored residential schools. Talking about the home life of indigenous children on the reserve is not talking about “the other side of the story”. It’s talking about something else.
It's common in the US for white people to explain to Black people that racism doesn't exist.
 

printer

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You weren't taken from your parents and forbidden to speak your native language while being psychologically tortured and physically abused under government sanction. Neolithic people adapting to the modern world in a few generations is difficult at best, but what was done to these people was wrong.

I don't disagree with some of the points you made, even if they are politically incorrect, I lived in Winnipeg for over 20 years and while I was there I came to know several of the local native people and something of the conditions there and up north. I also know that there is a lot of prejudice against indigenous people in the Peg.
And I am sure we are in close agreement on most of it. I never said that what was done to the families was right. I gave examples of wrongs done to other peoples at the time, it was no Leave It To Beaver nice time like shown on TV. I took no glee in saying all that I did, I knew it would be better to just let the Canada bashing go on. Same thing happened to my brother. He was part of a local group that had a forum, the discussion about Natives (and I use the word for our American readers, the term popular now here is First Nations) was one sides. My brother also said there is another side to the story. He was banned from it for his troubles. We have a righter in our local paper giving the Native perspective, and how everything is the people of Canada's fault. It is as one sided as you can imagine. It is almost as bad as listening to Rep. Green.

The thing is, you can not gain credibility if you are not honest. I am guessing I am going to pay the price for filling in the picture when others were not. Fine so be it. But 22 years ago I was standing in line to get my books for college. All the others in line were Natives. One started, "Who do I think I am getting my books sponsored?" Well, I worked 18 years and paid into UI, they covered my first year in school the plant was shut down. They all scorned me while I was in line. I guess I was stealing their money.

If I was so against people of color, I would not have them as friends. I have stood up for them enough. Fought with my dad about them and got hit for my trouble.
 

printer

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yes

But all I said was you sound racist, not that you are racist. So, don't get your hackles up.

I do wish that white men would stop telling "colored folk" what it's like to grow up in a racist society. They sound racist when they do that.
I did not say what it was like to grow up in a racist society. I gave examples of what happened with one white folk disliked another white folk. I said it was a cruel world back then. It was cruel for people all over, not just for First Nations.
 

Fogdog

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I did not say what it was like to grow up in a racist society. I gave examples of what happened with one white folk disliked another white folk. I said it was a cruel world back then. It was cruel for people all over, not just for First Nations.
How many German kids were torn away from their families and forced to attend reform schools only to die alone and unannounced and buried in unmarked graves?
 
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hanimmal

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Point well taken. Some of these US racists talk about how they had it so bad too, as if the Black experience in the US is the same.
I think of it as the 'I'm not racist, but' variety.

I kind of question the 'ab' in front of 'original'.

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Sounds like some fucked up white nationalist (which is pretending to be different from 'supremacist') thing to call the original people that our nations genocided.
 

CunningCanuk

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I took no glee in saying all that I did, I knew it would be better to just let the Canada bashing go on.
Lol at “Canada bashing”. Sorry to put a crimp in your national pride.

Same thing happened to my brother. He was part of a local group that had a forum, the discussion about Natives (and I use the word for our American readers, the term popular now here is First Nations) was one sides. My brother also said there is another side to the story. He was banned from it for his troubles. We have a righter in our local paper giving the Native perspective, and how everything is the people of Canada's fault. It is as one sided as you can imagine.
When the discussion is about government sanctioned cruelty and the unjust treatment of it’s people, I question the motives of anyone wanting to talk about the other side.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I think of it as the 'I'm not racist, but' variety.


I kind of question the 'ab' in front of 'original'.

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Sounds like some fucked up white nationalist (which is pretending to be different from 'supremacist') thing to call the original people that our nations genocided.
Aboriginal, indigenous, native and first nation are used here, Indian is not use any more. Indian refers to people from India in Canada these days. Aboriginal is not used as a pejorative, merely a descriptive, Indian is becoming a pejorative when used to describe native North Americans.
 

schuylaar

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And why did they do that? How many people died of famine? The country could not feed itself. 1,300,000,000 people. In 1949 the government encouraged people to have more children to increase the manpower of the nation.

"There was no official policy, but government propaganda condemned contraceptives and even banned the import of some. As a result, the population of China doubled over the next few years.

The success was short lived. China’s food supply was strained and the government reversed the campaign against contraceptives. From 1959 to 1961, the Great Chinese Famine killed an estimated 15 to 30 million people."

uighurs +


this is happening here and we've stopped having children because..
Couples say they are put off by high costs of raising a child, disruption to their jobs and the need to look after elderly parents.

um whoops looks like our planet is dying in more ways than one.
 
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Severed Tongue

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It's sad what people did to each other decades ago. I've been seeing the reactions all over social media.

That said,

It's kinda like saying a group in Texas killed a bunch of black slaves in 1950, so ALL white Americans should be held accountable for these racist crimes, for the rest of time.

That said,

I'm Canadian. I'm white. My opinion has been canceled already.
 

hanimmal

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It's sad what people did to each other decades ago. I've been seeing the reactions all over social media.

That said,

It's kinda like saying the KKK in Texas killed a bunch of slaves in 1950, so ALL white Americans should be held accountable for these racist crimes, for the rest of time.

That said,

I'm Canadian. I'm white. My opinion has been canceled already.
Your opinion is based on a bullshit supposition that 'ALL white Americans' are all of the tax base that would contribute to anything being done. Because people of all races pay taxes that would be used in anything that might be done to help make people devastated by state sponsored prejudice up until too recently to just expect entire societies to just 'brush it off'.

Also the triggering racist remark of 'slaves' in 1950 is indeed racist bullshit.

And lastly 'the rest of time'? Do you mean not having 66% give or take of the work force not being able to compete for the same work? Not being able to live in the same neighborhoods without being harassed by the legal system?
 

Severed Tongue

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Your opinion is based on a bullshit supposition that 'ALL white Americans' are all of the tax base that would contribute to anything being done. Because people of all races pay taxes that would be used in anything that might be done to help make people devastated by state sponsored prejudice up until too recently to just expect entire societies to just 'brush it off'.

Also the triggering racist remark of 'slaves' in 1950 is indeed racist bullshit.

And lastly 'the rest of time'? Do you mean not having 66% give or take of the work force not being able to compete for the same work? Not being able to live in the same neighborhoods without being harassed by the legal system?
No, my opinion is based on observing the actions of politcally and racially charged fucktwats crusading that everyone who's not a victim is responsible.


It means I don't give a fuck. I wasn't part of any of this and never will be (good or bad). I can't control other people, what they think or what they did or what some still do today.

Shit happens all over the world, even today.

Feeling bad about it isn't changing or stopping the people doing it.
 

schuylaar

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It's sad what people did to each other decades ago. I've been seeing the reactions all over social media.

That said,

It's kinda like saying a group in Texas killed a bunch of black slaves in 1950, so ALL white Americans should be held accountable for these racist crimes, for the rest of time.

That said,

I'm Canadian. I'm white. My opinion has been canceled already.
kind of.

it means we stop saying what you just said and we take responsibility for those who came before us, and fix it regardless of 'that wasn't my family' relationship.
 
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