Rufus T. Firefly
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Friendly amendment, my understanding, that is pretty much the definition of landrace. I think what you're meaning to say is there are no cannabis indigenous to Hawaii.
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I guess it depends on who you talk to. Most people consider landrace genetics to be from a specific origin. Not a transplant from one region to another. This also seems to be loosely structured in concept. All cannabis came from one location initially is my understanding. With that being said I would think that the amount of time a strain is present in a region would indicate whether or not it is landrace.
Rufus T. Firefly
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I don't mean to speak for the cannabis community and how the term may or may not be used correctly there. But I will offer that there is a hundred plus year usage of the term and I don't believe it has anything to do with a plant or an animal being native. Native plants that are cultivated (also a must for to meet the definition in my understanding) could be landrace but so can things that have been cultivated in a specific area for long enough to have fully adapted genetically to the conditions in that area. I don't know how long that takes I think it could be longer or shorter depending on how quickly or slowly the genetics actually change.
To put your timeframe of say sixty years (since 1960) into a context lets ay that sixty generations of cultivation. Comparing that with breeder being able to making a cultivar stable at F4 or F5, sixty years of cultivation in a particular region would meet the definition of landrace but opinions may vary I suppose.
I fully agree that A LOT of information in the cannabis world is subject. The amount of bro science is also amazing.
RiparianGardens
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There is work with the 2 out there but I don't think I've seen pure NL2 seeds. Bob Hemphill has said that's the strongest as far as high I believe.
GrownAtHighAltitude
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Got my order in, I am so stoked...
Americanna BX
Beatrix Choice
CGPR/TK NL5 Haze
TK NL5 Haze F3 NL DOM
GST/Consumption
MTF BX3 F2
NL1
DTHF F4
Loang Probang/Black Domina
Vintage Blueberry
Matty Cakes
Dope Beard Durban/Consumption
PHK BX
Americanna/Super Skunk
TK NL5 Haze (Big Fuck)/NL1
Hawaiian Cat Piss V3
AK 4 Way Pure indica BX F2
I went direct and when you order a lot, you get a few freebies, either selected from the lists or Dave will select for you. What a nice guy!
Michelle kept me updated with tracking and shipping was super fast. ~4 days cross country.
The only problem now is that I want more. Lots more!
Americanna BX
Beatrix Choice
CGPR/TK NL5 Haze
TK NL5 Haze F3 NL DOM
GST/Consumption
MTF BX3 F2
NL1
DTHF F4
Loang Probang/Black Domina
Vintage Blueberry
Matty Cakes
Dope Beard Durban/Consumption
PHK BX
Americanna/Super Skunk
TK NL5 Haze (Big Fuck)/NL1
Hawaiian Cat Piss V3
AK 4 Way Pure indica BX F2
I went direct and when you order a lot, you get a few freebies, either selected from the lists or Dave will select for you. What a nice guy!
Michelle kept me updated with tracking and shipping was super fast. ~4 days cross country.
The only problem now is that I want more. Lots more!
Drumminghead
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Good grief. All that would have me busy for years to come. Lol. So what you planning on running first
GrownAtHighAltitude
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TK NL5 Haze F3 NL DOM of course
then maybe Matty Cakes, and Americanna/Super Skunk.
I've got a cut of Shoreline OG I'm anxious to compare to the Super Skunk crosses eventually.
This stuff will have to get in line, unfortunately, I've already got a number of things in the works.
Drumminghead
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Has anyone grown out the great southern trendkill? Been eyeballing that one hoping it’ll be back in stock soon.
Gentlemencorpse
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My two Vintage Blueberry x Blueberry Muffins phenos...
This one smells like sour blueberries
This one smells like blueberry muffins
This one smells like sour blueberries
This one smells like blueberry muffins
Those look nice!
kroc
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Ive got a GST x consumption i just threw in flower, stem rub is unreal. menthol, fruity and pine, really excited to see it bud up
kroc
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hell of a line up man, i dont think id take a single one off that list for something else
RiparianGardens
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Not sure if you guys follow Brandon Rust but he's hyping a drop of Tk x TkNL5Haze x Lime. But meanwhile he gave a lot of those beans to AKBB which he's offering on JBC as freebie. Pretty sick freebie, not that they're not all great.
Also AKBB current Dankortowne Black Friday sale is pretty amazing, buy 1 get 1 on NL crosses, and buy 2 get 1 for everything else.
Also AKBB current Dankortowne Black Friday sale is pretty amazing, buy 1 get 1 on NL crosses, and buy 2 get 1 for everything else.
Robar
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This is for all you AkBB heads out there that have interest in Northern Lights. I was asking about holiday specials and what not and dave told me the month of december would be buy 2 get one free. He also told me about a couple new releases coming soon. I am only going to share one because I want to leave the others for someone else to excitedly reveal. (Trust me there will be a cause for excitement) He told me 89NL will be coming soon. When I asked what exactly it was this was his reply:
"The 89 nl is a very old pure nl stock that was preserved in a dry cabin in the interior of Alaska for the entire time. I was gifted these rare seeds by a friend that received them unadulterated from the lady that grew them and saved them.
She said it was the best she ever grew and saved the seeds, it has never been to Holland always in the pnw"
I'm thinking this is going to be a very exciting release. Pure unadulterated Norther Lights - my finger is hovering over the "PAY NOW" button!
"The 89 nl is a very old pure nl stock that was preserved in a dry cabin in the interior of Alaska for the entire time. I was gifted these rare seeds by a friend that received them unadulterated from the lady that grew them and saved them.
She said it was the best she ever grew and saved the seeds, it has never been to Holland always in the pnw"
I'm thinking this is going to be a very exciting release. Pure unadulterated Norther Lights - my finger is hovering over the "PAY NOW" button!
RiparianGardens
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So I listened to Seattle Greg and it's a bit confusing. I understand what the #1, #2, #5 are etc. As far as "pure" "unadulterated" and pre-neville NL - It seems like he said they got a clone which was Steve Murphy's afghani x Hawaiian sativa and then trying to put it in seed form, made lots of crosses to other stuff and eventually the seeds were coming out pretty consistent. And then some of those seeds were sent to Neville. But what exactly the lineage of these "pure" pre-neville seeds are seems like it's Afghani x Hawaiian x Mexican? x ? ?
I could just be misunderstanding a piece of the story though if someone has a different take I'm curious. I listened to Matt Riot's podcast with Seattle greg a couple times so thats where this is coming from.
Robar
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Honestly I'm not sure. It was always my understanding that the original Northern Lights was a pure Afghani and that all the Nl1, Nl2, Nl5 etc were all crosses/hybrids. The stories that surround Northern lights conflict a bit and leave one to try to weave together the most likely story based on the bits you pick up here and there. I could have sworn I read somewhere thatit was Nevil who bread a pure afghani to pure norther lights to get NL1. It also seems like I read somewhere that NL1 was pure Afghani (Afghani (NL) x Nevil's pure afghani (Non-NL)male.
Of course like damned near everything else on the internet what I read somewhere could be: Mostly, partially, slightly or not at all true!
Popping the beans is what will tell the story. I plan on getting some of the 89NL and will push them up the line but I am working on a couple projects right now that I want to continue. So little time and space (and legal limit...) So many project ideas and seeds to pop I'll be dead before I could grow out everything I have. The one that picks up my torch is going to have a nice library to work with!
RiparianGardens
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In the podcast I believe he said NL 1 was Steve Murphy's Afghani x Nevil's afghani. NL2 was Afghani x "the Indian's" afghani. NL5 is where the Hawaiian Sativa came in. But prior to the numbers, when it was just "northern lights" it sounded like he was saying that was a lot of different stuff mixed together.