Blew my breaker, plug grounded?

xtsho

xtsho

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Bottom line is the OP is not comfortable working with electricity and has chosen to have a professional find the problem which is a damn good idea. That was posted many pages ago. So any solutions or attempts at walking the OP through any troubleshooting procedures is pointless.

Facts and Statistics
  • Home electrical fires account for an estimated 51,000 fires each year, nearly than 500 deaths, more than 1,400 injuries, and $1.3 billion in property damage.
 
bgmike8

bgmike8

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Wow. We really are divided as a people right now.
I think its media mostly.
Social media is bad. The news outlets are bad.
What a mess were in right now.
Ive gotten so much help here on this site over the years... I dont care if youre pro trump or pro biden. I appreciate the help.
I still think capitalism is the most natural and free way of doing things.
But im still,going to treat you with respect until it becomes a shooting war
 
natureboygrower

natureboygrower

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xtsho said:
Bottom line is the OP is not comfortable working with electricity and has chosen to have a professional find the problem which is a damn good idea. That was posted many pages ago. So any solutions or attempts at walking the OP through any troubleshooting procedures is pointless.

Facts and Statistics
  • Home electrical fires account for an estimated 51,000 fires each year, nearly than 500 deaths, more than 1,400 injuries, and $1.3 billion in property damage.
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Nobody is trying to talk op into doing this himself anymore. I think we all know he doesn't feel comfortable doing it and NOBODY is hazing him over it.
 
raggyb

raggyb

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bgmike8 said:
Wow. We really are divided as a people right now.
I think its media mostly.
Social media is bad. The news outlets are bad.
What a mess were in right now.
Ive gotten so much help here on this site over the years... I dont care if youre pro trump or pro biden. I appreciate the help.
I still think capitalism is the most natural and free way of doing things.
But im still,going to treat you with respect until it becomes a shooting war
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I was already told not to talk politics, so not going to agree or disagree.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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xtsho said:
Bottom line is the OP is not comfortable working with electricity and has chosen to have a professional find the problem which is a damn good idea. That was posted many pages ago. So any solutions or attempts at walking the OP through any troubleshooting procedures is pointless.

Facts and Statistics
  • Home electrical fires account for an estimated 51,000 fires each year, nearly than 500 deaths, more than 1,400 injuries, and $1.3 billion in property damage.
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Fun fact; more grows are found by the fire department than by the police.

That's why even after I felt like I had a good handle on my installation, I still had a master electrician come through and make sure.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Boatguy said:
Trolled for some tuna in mass bay this weekend.. Shoulda brought more beer
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Sounds like you caught a good time, whether you brought home dinner or not.

I live in Colorado and I like to go fly fishing. I haven't been this year because of wildfires and today the smoke is really bad here in town. It stinks like old campfire inside my house right now and it's making my chest hurt.
 
raggyb

raggyb

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ttystikk said:
Fun fact; more grows are found by the fire department than by the police.

That's why even after I felt like I had a good handle on my installation, I still had a master electrician come through and make sure.
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for me a fire would be more likely to be caused by a burning leaf perhaps or maybe a light crashing to the ground.
 
Renfro

Renfro

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getogrow said:
In the last 5 or 6 years , we have to separate the ground and neutrals completely and take out the bonding bar in the panel. Im not real up to date on codes but i recall back in 2002 there was one inspector that just was not having the neutrals and grounds together. so we separated them just for him. Today all homes get seperated here. I dont really see the benefit but im not the master writing the codes. some of them sound stupid to me but are actually safer then i think.
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Hmm thats odd because the service entrance neutral to ground bond is required for breakers to operate properly.
 
getogrow

getogrow

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Renfro said:
Hmm thats odd because the service entrance neutral to ground bond is required for breakers to operate properly.
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Im not quite sure what im missing here ?
Why would the neutral to ground bond affect the breakers? Arc fault breakers or all breakers?
I cant doubt you because im not the brightest residential wire guy in the business but i am lost on this one... Thanks!
 
Boatguy

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It isnt about the breakers, it is about safety. Ground isnt a great conductor so it may not trip the breaker, and now you have have a live uninsulated wire that is tied into all your outlet boxes and whatever else.
On boats the ground is tied into the bonding system connecting all underwater metals. In this situation very little leakage may kill anyone that touches the water nearby. New code for marina shore power is breakers that fault on 10ma of leakage. Im not an electrician so take it for what it is worth
 
getogrow

getogrow

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Boatguy said:
It isnt about the breakers, it is about safety. Ground isnt a great conductor so it may not trip the breaker, and now you have have a live uninsulated wire that is tied into all your outlet boxes and whatever else.
On boats the ground is tied into the bonding system connecting all underwater metals. In this situation very little leakage may kill anyone that touches the water nearby. New code for marina shore power is breakers that fault on 10ma of leakage. Im not an electrician so take it for what it is worth
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The not tying them together at the service entrance is a newer thing here. We used to always bond the two together and land your grounds and neutrals wherever you wanted on either "ground bar" (for lack of knowing the correct term) Now we have to separate them. Maybe its just an interpretation thing? Inspectors are crazy with the code books. They twist the words to fit how they want it.
 
getogrow

getogrow

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I just phoned the local master.... Yes they are back to bonding them together but he confirmed for quite a few years , not many inspectors here would let you bond them together. They stated that the neutral must be completely separate from the grounds. So we had to take out the bonding screw in the panels and keep um separate.

this is the second or third time i have seen this change with new codes/inspectors.
 
Boatguy

Boatguy

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getogrow said:
The not tying them together at the service entrance is a newer thing here. We used to always bond the two together and land your grounds and neutrals wherever you wanted on either "ground bar" (for lack of knowing the correct term) Now we have to separate them. Maybe its just an interpretation thing? Inspectors are crazy with the code books. They twist the words to fit how they want it.
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My lack of knowledge of this should be obvious. I thought the ground and neutral were always tied together at the main panel these days.
 
getogrow

getogrow

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Boatguy said:
My lack of knowledge of this should be obvious. I thought the ground and neutral were always tied together at the main panel these days.
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i dont claim to be the brightest incandescent bulb in the bunch.
Yes , from all my years experience in the field , almost every home in this century is bonded at the panel ....but in about 2002 ish , we had one inspector make us split um up and then in about 2006 ish they all started making us split them up , now they are back to bonding them. I have no idea what going on with all that.
 
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