Budzbuddha
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Waiting for the Trump DNC toilet tweeting to arrive.
Biden & Harris :)
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hanimmal
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So dodge my question (If you understand the current attack by the Russian military on our citizens to get Trump elected, and you think now is a good time to think 3rd party) is your response?
So I will ask another question for you to maybe consider.
Are you aware that the Democrats have only had the ability to get their agenda through both houses and signed by POTUS for about 6 years total in the last 50? And that every Democratic president has had to deal with the impacts of a Republican recession when they took office?
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Dryxi
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Democrats and Republicans have each owned all portions of our legistlature at some point in the last 20 years (president,house and senate). During those times of complete control and ability to fix the problems we have, they didn't. Not because they couldn't.
I 100% think now is as good a time as every election to vote for who you think should be President. This election is no more important than the last elections. Trump sucks, got it. The alternative is representative of a government I do not want. Don't mean to dodge your question, now is exactly when to vote 3rd party. She doesn't even have to win to make waves in our politics, just show that enough people are tired of the politics we have.
Other countries will be using the internet to disrupt each other for the rest of time.
hanimmal
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How much have you really considered how the Federal government works?
Also have you looked much into how the Republicans have been playing their southern strategy for the last 50 years to keep the Democrats who is the only major political party to finally represent all of America's people and not just almost exclusively one demographic? Since about 2006 only one party has been trying to fix the issues of our nation while the other just trolls everything not aimed at benefitting the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda as some sort of '-ism'.
The Russian attack focusing people on not voting or voting for a 3rd party suppressed the vote enough in key states for us to elect Trump by less than 80,000 votes when Clinton had more than 2 million more voters choosing her rather than Trump. This is not the year to give Trump the election.
It is time we start thinking about how we got to this point instead of thinking it is wise to make everything good about our nation unstable.
Unfuck yourself. You're a clown.
Dryxi
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People voting for 3rd party cannot suppress the vote for the duopoly. Your vote isn't predetermined. A side effect of terrible candidates is people might not vote, or may vote against them. It isn't Russias fault everyone isn't Democrat or Republican
hanimmal
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No it is not predetermined, and I would never tell someone how to use their vote, that is up to them.
I am not sure why you would deflect from what the Russians did in our democracy though. I asked a few questions now to you but you don't seem to want to do much than push what benefits Trump. Which isa bummer, it would have been nice to hear a different perspective if you had one that wasn't devoid of reality.
Over 100 million people were interacting with the Russian military over 2 billion times in the last month leading up to the election on just one social media platform.
You deflecting from that fact by pretending that I said it is Russia's fault for everyone voting either Republican or Democrat is highly suspect.
Dryxi
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The impact of Russia, or other countries, using trolls on social media is a thing, but it isnt the sole reason people are moving away from the Dem/Rep sides to not vote or vote 3rd party. The Dem/Rep sides are just losing support. I can't say anything against other countries interfering in these ways, I believe they are completely. As is the USA, to think we are not using the same strategies in Iran etc is crazy. A ton of people really disliked Hillary, I doubt the Russian bots could've changed their minds if they didn't already harbor something against Hillary.
hanimmal
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Still can't actually address anything I was curious about, have to keep to the flowchart or something?
Dryxi
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Maybe I'm smoking too much, what is the question? Lol
-edit: I am (smoking too much). I'll go back to answer, I was skipping right over some of them. I wasn't sure which where rhetorical a d which wanted an answer.
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hanimmal
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lol np.
How much have you looked into how the House/Senate are set up and what they do, also what the president does. Then with that how much have you looked at the Republican parties southern strategy worked.
Basically the House majority can really only stop legislation from passing and investigate. It is the only actual democratically elected branch of our federal government. The Senate majority passes legislation and appoints people the POTUS nominates. In the last 50 years there has been 2 years at the beginning of each Democratic president's term to actually get anything done that is part of the Democratic platform. And the rest of the time the Republicans have been making sure that anything not in the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only demographic's interests cannot get passed.
After this I would also be curious if you know much about the Republican's repealing of the Fairness Doctrine? And how decades later that it amplifies the power of the Russian attack on our citizens.
Dryxi
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I believe it is an unfortunate reality of our laws and system, that racism is promoted in politics. We have laws made on both sides that have exacerbated the white vs minority narrative. Again, I have to agree with you, Republican interests do not represent all Americans. I do think that there is a large number of Americans that are Republican because it is a family tradition. Racism is a family tradition too. There are a lot of blind people out there unwilling to admit that minorities have not been given every opportunity due to our government and policies.
I am not happy with the state of our government. I am not a fan of either Republican or Democrat policies (for the most part), because I would rather see less government interference than more. Is a federal government necessary, of course. Does it need as much power as it has? No. Are taxes, permits, professional licenses, etc. necessary? Yes, but maybe not at the level we have. I do believe both the DNC and GOP have failed our country fiscally. Budget management has been something of a dream to the American politicians.
Our country has problems, and there are many many different ideas on how to fix them. I believe the idea that the DNC or GOP have all the answers, or that all the solutions fall within their idea of authority, is false. Since I cannot be represented by the two "major" parties, that means I have to pick one that is less bad. <- Kinda true, unless enough of us decide the DNC and GOP cannot represent the political views of everyone in this country.
I had never looked that up. It sounds like the reason we a hard time trusting our media now. How does it amplify the Russian side? (I am ignorant of this subject)
If you were to ask me if I am against the GOP: the answer is yes. The issue is, I don't support the DNC either. It is the similarities of the GOP and DNC that actually keep me away from them.
hanimmal
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I agree everything (generally) has room for improvement (taxes, regulations, etc). But mostly America is not our government. We are self determined and can do the right thing or not in those rare instances that people are faced with a choice of doing something that benefits them
When have the Democrats had the ability to pass fiscally responsible legislation, and what did they pass, that would really be the only way to fairly say what you just did.
And again in the last 50 years they have had the ability to pass their legislation for about 6 of those years, and only 2 this millennium. And Obama was stuck with a collapsed economy on day 1. Him and the Democrats worked their ass off trying to fix the Republican mess with them kicking and screaming the entire time.
By the time he was finally getting to his agenda and got the ACA passed the mega-rich right wing funded 'Tea Party' trolled everything they did into winning the House ending Obama's ability to get anything done for pretty much the rest of his term that wasn't passed by the Republicans.
Which is exactly what the Republicans want. Because they only legislate for the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only demographic. And for them to be successful, they just need to stop everyone else from being able to catch up to them. This doesn't mean that I think that all Republicans are racist nor that all Republicans even fall in this one category, But they have also co-opted the racist and evangelical communities.
I look at it a little further back, I think that it more comes down to the humans in those seats than it does the title. By voting in the best people from 100% of our population we start to be able to from the top be able to understand where we can most efficiently use our nations resources to make sure everyone can easily attain all the tools they need to succeed in life.
It is worth understanding how repealing this led to the current problems we face today with disinformation, propaganda, and how easy it was for the Russian military to use these divisions to create bubbles of information and essentially troll people with sock puppet accounts from across the political spectrum to teach people how to argue so we can't actually agree on the entirety of the facts enough to come up with a actual solution as a population.
I don't actually think all the Republicans are bad or racist, but right now Trump is actively trying to divide us up, and has been leaving us purposefully exposed to the attack that the Russian military is conducting on anything with any online chat feature, because he knows it helps his re-election chances so he can stay out of having 12 Americans in a jury decide his future living arrangements.
I would take the time to really look at anything you feel strongly about on a highly credible news source like the AP news or Reuters.
It's amazing how ignorant adults like @Dryxi are. I would bet you're from a Red state or a poorly funded county in a blue state. What happened to our education system? Oh that's right Republicans systematically dismantled it so there are adults like @Dryxi running around asking these questions and being influenced by propaganda. The questions make him sound like he's 16 and never paid attention in history and current events.
Fogdog
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Family tradition?
Did you just say that kids just become Republican or Democrat because of tradition? There is plenty of research that says otherwise. I've seen this trope show up a few times in the past few weeks. I'm guessing it's part of some messaging that is being pushed out by right wingers. Or maybe you just want to excuse Republicans for their racist and fascist choices in leadership.
There is plenty of research that shows this claim to be false:
Most parents do not successfully transmit their political values to their children, study finds
Less than half of all people in the United States adopt their parents' political party affiliation, according to new research published in the British ...
www.psypost.org
“Generally speaking, if there has been one constant in the study of political behavior it was the belief that political orientations are reliably transmitted from parents to children.”
"while a more politicized home increases the ability of children to know their parent’s values, it does not have any role in motivating a child to adopt their parent’s values. Parent-child closeness and the intensity of parents’ political opinions appear to influence children to want to be more like their parents, but oddly enough they do nothing to improve a children’s ability to know their parents’ values.”
“This is important because we found that the children who often want to be like their parents end up adopting the wrong values because they actually believed their parents to be completely different. And education, previously thought to have little role in transmission, does not influence a child’s ability to know their parents’ affiliation, but appears to make children more likely to reject whatever that they believe their parents to be.”
It's very common for people in this forum to just talk out their asses while ignoring the fact that their asses really aren't good sources of information. How about if you post up some credible research to bolster your claim.
After that, perhaps you can explain why you prefer that food, health, product safety, water rights regulations and so forth are such a drag.
Dryxi
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Literally said "I do think that there is a large number of Americans that are Republican because it is a family tradition." Not saying our parents have brainwashed us into being the political people we are. From my own experience, much of my family is Republican because of family tradition. They have not looked into it for themselves to even make an educated decision and don't care to. My family is not the only one to be how it is. Thus, out of the many Republicans out there, I stand by the statement, a large number are uninformed and their political party is family tradition. (Wasn't attempting to make a factual scientific statement there, reasons it begins with I think.)Family tradition?
Did you just say that kids just become Republican or Democrat because of tradition? There is plenty of research that says otherwise. I've seen this trope show up a few times in the past few weeks. I'm guessing it's part of some messaging that is being pushed out by right wingers. Or maybe you just want to excuse Republicans for their racist and fascist choices in leadership.
There is plenty of research that shows this claim to be false:
Most parents do not successfully transmit their political values to their children, study finds
Less than half of all people in the United States adopt their parents' political party affiliation, according to new research published in the British ...www.psypost.org
“Generally speaking, if there has been one constant in the study of political behavior it was the belief that political orientations are reliably transmitted from parents to children.”
"while a more politicized home increases the ability of children to know their parent’s values, it does not have any role in motivating a child to adopt their parent’s values. Parent-child closeness and the intensity of parents’ political opinions appear to influence children to want to be more like their parents, but oddly enough they do nothing to improve a children’s ability to know their parents’ values.”
“This is important because we found that the children who often want to be like their parents end up adopting the wrong values because they actually believed their parents to be completely different. And education, previously thought to have little role in transmission, does not influence a child’s ability to know their parents’ affiliation, but appears to make children more likely to reject whatever that they believe their parents to be.”
It's very common for people in this forum to just talk out their asses while ignoring the fact that their asses really aren't good sources of information. How about if you post up some credible research to bolster your claim.
After that, perhaps you can explain why you prefer that food, health, product safety, water rights regulations and so forth are such a drag.
I prefer that the federal government has less of them and the states make the rules that apply to their communities. There have to be some guidelines coming from the Fed, what we have now are less like guidelines for the states and are instead the rules the states must abide. If all the states make the same rule, awesome. If not, that is representative of the communities there and their opinion.
I do not know the solutions and don't pretend to. I just support a different candidate than you. If you'd like to see her ideas: Jo20.com or visit the VP candidates youtube page @Spike Cohen's Youtube channel
slavery, racism and bigotry is also a family tradition.
Dryxi
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True facts