turning air pump off for 30min every 2hrs? what do u guys think?

turn pump off for 30 min every 2hrs?

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PhatNuggz

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rkymtnman said:
waterfalls are far superior to airstones for providing DO.
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DO stays in the water/nutrient solution for X time, depending on water temp: cooler temps keeps it in longer. Im sure there is a chart somewhere. I guestimate 1-3 hours, meaning the roots don't need constant DO injections, but neither do the roots need a rest from the air stone bubbles agitation

Here's one of the ideas I used successfully,. I did add a small netpot size hole to the plant tote lids so that air could come in during drain cycles. I needed to insert coco fiber into the netpots to prevent mosquitoes from entering. The power cord holes in the sides of the cooler allowed for some inflow of air, though probably not enough. The pesky blood suckers might have gotten in there as well
 

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Justkickinit420

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You guys n the Bubbles,lol. Let’s say your running co2 in a tent and you have your bubble maker going, how good is the co2 bubbles for the roots?

Ps, you do not need to leave the aero ponics on 24hrs, all this will do is heat up the water n cause more headaches.
30 min in n 30 min off does the trick every time
 
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PhatNuggz

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However, this led me to investigate alternatives that would provide ample DO without adding CO2, which we know raises pH

I bought an O2Grow 2020, which I have yet to employ due to pilot error combined with O2Gs lack of good info on how to use. I could have introduced it during this grow, but after 4 straight failed grows, I needed to use tried and true methods= air stones

Pilot Error: First I had the water line too high which caused the starter cubes to stay soaked 24/7= Root Rot. This was the problem I had for 4 straight grows! Once I figure that out, plants were in recovery

Another solution that I introduced this grow was to use a small 80 gph pump spraying into a plastic bottle that has holes drilled allowing the solution to exit and circulate during the on time.

BUT, when I first added the bottle I used a 260 gph pump which splashed probably 1 gallon+ each cycle up onto the underside of the lid, soaking the starter cubes= RR. Once I fogured that out, plants recovered.

In my ~ 2 gallon shallow water culture tote 3 minutes on provides ~ 4 full circulations of the entire solution through the bottle. The bottle is half filled with platonic solids and small marbles (search structured water for why). Bottle and pump size + on time will all be a factor of rez size.

root pics are the same plant. They are now more than double the size in the picture. Plant pic is old. She is now 39" tall and loaded with buds

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PhatNuggz

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Justkickinit420 said:
You guys n the Bubbles,lol. Let’s say your running co2 in a tent and you have your bubble maker going, how good is the co2 bubbles for the roots?

Ps, you do not need to leave the aero ponics on 24hrs, all this will do is heat up the water n cause more headaches.
30 min in n 30 min off does the trick every time
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CO2 is not needed by roots at all. The problem is the air pump sucks ambient air (which has CO2) and pumps it into the air stones to create the bubbles. The CO2 raises pH, in many case over one point per day. If left unattended it will affect plant development

FYI: there is a difference between bubbleponics and aeroponics. With aero, the roots are not submerged in the solution, as with bubbleponics. Instead, they hang in air (hence aero). That said, you are correct in that aero roots should not be wet but for a few minutes every hour, or so. In HPA (High Pressure Aero) on cycle is more like < 1 second/1 minute; 24/7

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Keesje

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PhatNuggz said:
DO stays in the water/nutrient solution for X time, depending on water temp: cooler temps keeps it in longer. Im sure there is a chart somewhere. I guestimate 1-3 hours, meaning the roots don't need constant DO injections,
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Justkickinit420 said:
Ps, you do not need to leave the aero ponics on 24hrs, all this will do is heat up the water n cause more headaches.
30 min in n 30 min off does the trick every time
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You can't put it that way. The amount of oxygen required depends on how many roots you have. If you have a lot of roots in relation to the volume of your res, then I would certainly not stop the pump. If you have few roots, then maybe you can. But why would you run the risk? If your water gets too hot, perhaps you have to choose another system or make some modefications.

PhatNuggz said:
Here's one of the ideas I used successfully,. I did add a small netpot size hole to the plant tote lids so that air could come in during drain cycles. I needed to insert coco fiber into the netpots to prevent mosquitoes from entering. The power cord holes in the sides of the cooler allowed for some inflow of air, though probably not enough. The pesky blood suckers might have gotten in there as well
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Air will always get in. And even if the hole is tiny, it will let in a few liters of air. Every liter of air contains about 250 mg of oxygen. Most plants consume about 200 mg of O2 per hour per kilo root weight. It is not like with humans who breath in several liters/mg's of oxygen per minute.
 
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Justkickinit420

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The aerocloner does not make bubbles, I have roots over a foot long in there that are thriving since I’m not running sfv anymore I never planted them, just let them grow for 2 weeks now
 
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Wastei

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Keesje said:
Plants are not humans.
Although we talk about 'sleep', 'work', 'rest' etc. plants' hormones mainly react on circumstances.

So, for rest you don't need it.
There is another thing: Some scientist say that moving the roots the whole time, is not good for roots.
I have no clue; I just repeat what I did read.
That's why bubbles might not be the best thing.
For getting DO in your water there are several other ways to get DO in your res.
Cheaper ones. Simpeler ones. Just as effective.
Only thing is to get the DO in your roots.
With this, bubbles might help because they 'loosen up' the rootball perhaps a bit more.
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What are you ranting about? You sounds like a salesman who want you to think airstones suddenly stopped working. Learn how to use spacing, it's annoyingly hard to read your postings.

Can you please give us an example instead of just ranting? Don't write about things you don't have experience with or any clue what you're actually talking about.

Yes you have venturis and other stuff. I would love to see a link to something cheaper than airstones!
 
Keesje

Keesje

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Wastei said:
What are you ranting about? You sounds like a salesman who want you to think airstones suddenly stopped working. Learn how to use spacing, it's annoyingly hard to read your postings.

Can you please give us an example instead of just ranting? Don't write about things you don't have experience with or any clue what you're actually talking about.

Yes you have venturis and other stuff. I would love to see a link to something cheaper than airstones!
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I do have experience with it, and so do other people on this forum.
There are several members who use some kind of waterfall.







I think an aquariumpump with a tee pipe on top is cheaper.
Just putting an aquariumpump on its side of facing upwards is cheaper.







If airstones would be the best choice (effectiveness and $), you probably would see them more in commercial greenhouse.
Never once saw them.







Enough spacing for you?
 
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Wastei

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Keesje said:
I do have experience with it, and so do other people on this forum.
There are several members who use some kind of waterfall.







I think an aquariumpump with a t-pipe on top is cheaper.
Just putting an aquariumpump on its side of facing upwards is cheaper.







If airstones would be the best choice (effectiveness and $), you probably would see them more in commercial greenhouse.
Never once saw them.







Enough spacing for you?
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There you go! It's not that hard is it? Waterfalls works really well. Aquarium pumps will cause temperature to rise and are prone to breaking. Same goes for venturis.
 
rkymtnman

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Justkickinit420

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It’s possible, people do all sorts of crazy things.
The same person will se a more stable ph if they put the pump on the outside where less co2 is entering the root zone.
Don’t forget the air has from 4-500 ppm co2.
 
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