And everyone knew Trump would lose.
Elizabeth Warren
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londonfog
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ummm so stop saying you are a Jew, but I guess you can be Jewish is you want. True Jews come from a bloodline
Fogdog
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I'm not all that sure about Bernie losing. Not betting my house on that. My main reason is that independents tend to be more conservative than Democrats. This is shown in attitudes toward healthcare plans.
Medicare For All Isn’t That Popular — Even Among Democrats
Last week, I noted that Bernie Sanders is winning over Democratic primary voters on health care. Whether you love, hate or are indifferent toward his “Medicare …
fivethirtyeight.com
Americans want Medicare for All … who want it
Share of respondents who agreed that these versions of a Medicare for All plan were a good idea
| DEM. | REP. | IND. | OVERALL | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Medicare for All, replacing private insurance | 64% | 14% | 39% | 41% |
| Medicare for All who choose it, allowing private insurance | 90 | 46 | 70 | 70 |
61% of independents disagree with a key provision in Bernie's healthcare bill. Healthcare is THE most important issue today. I think Bernie's healthcare bill is a loser.
To be honest, Warren is no better than Bernie in this regard. I plan to vote for her. Sounds like I am confused, right? I probably am. What I see in Warren that is different from Bernie is her willingness to compromise in order to make progress. I think Warren will pivot away from wholesale endorsement of Bernie's plan if she wins the nomination. "Medicare for all who choose it" is by far the best political policy for 2020 and Warren is not the uncompromising fool that Bernie is.
londonfog
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again different time. Now we see what kind of President Trump is.
Shua1991
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I said I don't care, I know my ancestry goes all the way back to Spain before they were driven out. I am an atheist humanist, but ethnically I am a Jew, I only brought it up because the folks here like to toss around the Nazi accusation without any evidence. Being against violent public displays is now siding with Nazis what a fucking joke. I never thought until now that cannabis had deleterious effects on intelligence. Now I know.
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londonfog
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Do you base your whole life on polls.?I'm not all that sure about Bernie losing. Not betting my house on that. My main reason is that independents tend to be more conservative than Democrats. This is shown in attitudes toward healthcare plans.
Medicare For All Isn’t That Popular — Even Among Democrats
Last week, I noted that Bernie Sanders is winning over Democratic primary voters on health care. Whether you love, hate or are indifferent toward his “Medicare …
Americans want Medicare for All … who want it
Share of respondents who agreed that these versions of a Medicare for All plan were a good idea
SOURCE: MARIST COLLEGE
DEM. REP. IND. OVERALL Medicare for All, replacing private insurance 64% 14% 39% 41% Medicare for All who choose it, allowing private insurance 90 46 70 70
61% of independents disagree with a key provision in Bernie's healthcare bill. Healthcare is THE most important issue today. I think Bernie's healthcare bill is a loser.
To be honest, Warren is no better than Bernie in this regard. I plan to vote for her. Sounds like I am confused, right? I probably am. What I see in Warren that is different from Bernie is her willingness to compromise in order to make progress. I think Warren will pivot away from wholesale endorsement of Bernie's plan if she wins the nomination. Medicare for all who choose it is clearly the best political policy for 2020 and Warren is not the uncompromising fool that Bernie is.
I know what you want for breakfast
londonfog
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Again you are not a Jew. You and you family are imposters that were forced to convert. You are JeWISH...as in You wish you were a Jew
Shua1991
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You don't understand what you're arguing here. The medicare for all who want it system is doing nothing but creating a 2 tiered system where all the unhealthy patients will be unloaded onto the medicare system and crash it while those who don't want it, their insurance companies reap the rewards with none of the responsibility. What a joke. The logical progression is obvious, insurance and healthcare are not synonyms, you've merely bought into republican talking points.I'm not all that sure about Bernie losing. Not betting my house on that. My main reason is that independents tend to be more conservative than Democrats. This is shown in attitudes toward healthcare plans.
Medicare For All Isn’t That Popular — Even Among Democrats
Last week, I noted that Bernie Sanders is winning over Democratic primary voters on health care. Whether you love, hate or are indifferent toward his “Medicare …
Americans want Medicare for All … who want it
Share of respondents who agreed that these versions of a Medicare for All plan were a good idea
SOURCE: MARIST COLLEGE
DEM. REP. IND. OVERALL Medicare for All, replacing private insurance 64% 14% 39% 41% Medicare for All who choose it, allowing private insurance 90 46 70 70
61% of independents disagree with a key provision in Bernie's healthcare bill. Healthcare is THE most important issue today. I think Bernie's healthcare bill is a loser.
To be honest, Warren is no better than Bernie in this regard. I plan to vote for her. Sounds like I am confused, right? I probably am. What I see in Warren that is different from Bernie is her willingness to compromise in order to make progress. I think Warren will pivot away from wholesale endorsement of Bernie's plan if she wins the nomination. "Medicare for all who choose it" is by far the best political policy for 2020 and Warren is not the uncompromising fool that Bernie is.
The affordable Care act was written by a republican think tank called the heritage foundation. You people really think you're progressives?
Shua1991
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How was I forced to convert? I still have relatives who live in Spain who did convert... to Catholicism. This is silly. Jews have mixed for thousands of years, from ethiopea to Puerto Rico, it doesn't make someone not Jewish if only their mother was. Ethnicity isn't important either way, only Nazis and ethno-centrists fetishize who their ancient ancestors were.
abandonconflict
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Oh look
Fogdog
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lol
Run and hide true believer. The facts will find you anyway.
Maybe Ortega will take you in.
abandonconflict
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Bernie's only employment aside from politics (where he has accomplished nothing in 3 decades) was writing rape fantasy fiction.
Bernie makes my skin crawl.
abandonconflict
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No, we already have a deeply flawed, stratified system. Expanding medicare to get everyone covered will be paid for through increased taxation. Nothing in your post is based on reality or sound economics.
In any case, good luck getting congress to pass a bill that turns all federal spending into healthcare. The tax hikes would be astronomical. Nearly everyone in congress who originally signaled support has subsequently come out against it.
Fogdog
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I'm aware that you can't accept a poll as information and did't present it to you in my reply to you. People who don't understand statistics shouldn't use them. And, you don't. I respect that. So, instead of citing a poll to you, I gave you my reasons. Argue with them. There are plenty of objective facts that are not poll based that back up what I said.
Bernie is a chump and I won't vote for him My reasons for saying that are shown in my earlier post:
So, quit blowing your horn and tell me in a rational argument why my reasons are wrong.
Has Bernie gotten much, if anything done? Is Bernie's bill actually a good one? why?
abandonconflict
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He's older than Biden and recently had a heart attack. Thoughts and prayers?
Fogdog
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It's you who don't understand. Prove me wrong by citing a source for your misinformation.
abandonconflict
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I already know about it, I was just trying to get the thread back on its original topic is all.
londonfog
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SO if Bernie wins the primary, you will take your ball and go home ? Grow the fuck up
Shua1991
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The Koch's did the research for us. M4A saves trillions over time.
Thanks to the Koch Brothers, We Have More Proof that Single Payer Saves Money and Cares for All of Us
A study that was intended to make the case against Medicare for All reveals that the reform could save Americans trillions of dollars.
Fogdog
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I've never said that. How about you calming down and breaking my reasons for disliking Bernie as a DNC presidential candidate? If you want to just get angry, I'm still going to think you are OK. After you calm down.