Jack's 321 Questions

[icetech]

i use a drill with a long mixing bit, it gets the job done reasonably quickly

I might have to try that thanks.

 

[Ryante55]

yeah.. only took a couple of months to learn to not mix them in the 3-2-1 order no more lumps at least now though.

Haha yeah I did the same thing in the beginning the only thing that doesn't mix well for me is the Epsom so I dissolve that in hot water

 

[thenasty1]

I might have to try that thanks.

psa- 2 gallons of water in a 5 gallon bucket is plenty for mixing, any more and you may end up sloshing half your nutes onto the floor

 

[arctic farmer]

BTW.. since we are talking jacks.. anyone got any tricks to get it to dissolve faster? I grind all 3 elements in a coffee grinder to turn them more into dust. but still takes awhile.

I mix 198 grams in 5 gals of warm water with 66 grams of Epsom- goes pretty quick? Why are you grinding it? Did it get wet? The Cal-nit gets it own 5 gal bucket and they are both poured into a 55 gal drum with 45 gals of water.

 

[TintEastwood]

I mix 198 grams in 5 gals of warm water with 66 grams of Epsom- goes pretty quick? Why are you grinding it? Did it get wet? The Cal-nit gets it own 5 gal bucket and they are both poured into a 55 gal drum with 45 gals of water.

Should have noted I'm only mixing for 7 to 15 gallons at a pop.

If I had a big boy res, I would be using 5gal buckets vs mason jars like you are doing.

 

[2com]

My only trick is to get it dissolved before I need it. Hours to days ahead of time.

I fill a mason jar 3/4 full and stir in the Part A then set is aside.

In a different jar I do the same with Part B cal-nit.

I use 2 sets of mason jars.

And I cheat a lil with a magnetic stirrer from Amazon at times.

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I was trying to think exactly how you use it the other day. I guessed right.

 

[2com]

Should have noted I'm only mixing for 7 to 15 gallons at a pop.

If I had a big boy res, I would be using 5gal buckets vs mason jars like you are doing.

5Gal buckets with a mixing pump at the bottom?

 

[TintEastwood]

5Gal buckets with a mixing pump at the bottom?

Then I would want 2 mixing pumps. Lol

 

[2com]

You are dissolving in the correct order right? Hydro then Epsom then nitrate? Using warm water helps but isn't necessary

Really? I would've probably assume epsom last. Thanks for that. Haha.

 

[icetech]

I mix 198 grams in 5 gals of warm water with 66 grams of Epsom- goes pretty quick? Why are you grinding it? Did it get wet? The Cal-nit gets it own 5 gal bucket and they are both poured into a 55 gal drum with 45 gals of water.

I grind it cause the mag and cal are pretty big pellets for lack of a better term.. so i try to turn it into dust which helped speed up dissolving

 

[arctic farmer]

my point was I mix at x concentration and temperature, and it mixes pretty quick, less than 30 minutes.

Epsom can be mixed in the same bucket with Jacks, not the Cal-Nit.

I grind it cause the mag and cal are pretty big pellets for lack of a better term.. so i try to turn it into dust which helped speed up dissolving

Jacks? That sounds like Mega Crop?

 

[2com]

my point was I mix at x concentration and temperature, and it mixes pretty quick, less than 30 minutes.

Epsom can be mixed in the same bucket with Jacks, not the Cal-Nit.



Jacks? That sounds like Mega Crop?

I've found Megacrop (v1) dissolves extremely quickly. Maybe completely dissolved in..20-30 seconds.
I didn't know about this, Jacks taking so long to dissolve. Good to know.

 

[arctic farmer]

Jacks is a lot faster than MC

 

[TintEastwood]

Jacks is a lot faster than MC

Agreed.
I've used MC V1 and V2. Have V2.1 on shelf for future.
First time using Jacks.
Compared to MC, Jacks weighs, and dissolves easier. (RO water)

Jacks being a 2-part, no worry about ratio of powder ("part-a") to balls (cal-nit).

All that aside, I do like both, and look forward to seeing which works better for my grow.
Always pros and cons.

 

[Ryante55]

I've found Megacrop (v1) dissolves extremely quickly. Maybe completely dissolved in..20-30 seconds.
I didn't know about this, Jacks taking so long to dissolve. Good to know.

Yeah same for me

 

[2com]

I mix 198 grams in 5 gals of warm water with 66 grams of Epsom- goes pretty quick?

We're not using warm water.

my point was I mix at x concentration and temperature, and it mixes pretty quick, less than 30 minutes.

Epsom can be mixed in the same bucket with Jacks, not the Cal-Nit.

Your jack mix take "less than" 30 minutes to dissolve, in warm water? What's that mean then, 20 minutes, being generous?

Jacks is a lot faster than MC

...What? You're not making sense, or I misunderstood you. I said above MC V1 takes about 20-30 seconds (max) to completely dissolve, and that's in cool-to-ambient temp. water.

You've said you mix Jacks in warm water (purposefully warm water to aid in dissolving) and it takes "less than" 30 minutes.

I just don't follow you reasoning there.
Edit: I mentioned how long I've found that MC takes to dissolve because, I think, somewhere back earlier, someone said something about 30mins to an hour. I think Tinteastwood, maybe.

 

[2com]

Agreed.
I've used MC V1 and V2. Have V2.1 on shelf for future.
First time using Jacks.
Compared to MC, Jacks weighs, and dissolves easier. (RO water)

Jacks being a 2-part, no worry about ratio of powder ("part-a") to balls (cal-nit).

All that aside, I do like both, and look forward to seeing which works better for my grow.
Always pros and cons.

Greenleaf has said they have plans to release a new "2 part". It'll be a part A with all the good stuff like megacrop has now, and then a Calnit - basically. Something like that. As soon as the end of the year. Sounds more ideal in my opinion than a 1 part.

 

[Skybound420]

Agreed.
I've used MC V1 and V2. Have V2.1 on shelf for future.
First time using Jacks.
Compared to MC, Jacks weighs, and dissolves easier. (RO water)

Jacks being a 2-part, no worry about ratio of powder ("part-a") to balls (cal-nit).

All that aside, I do like both, and look forward to seeing which works better for my grow.
Always pros and cons.

This is why I often tell growers to just buy salts as you can make EVERY nute line on the market so long as it has a Guaranteed Analysis. With that GA, you can program all of those products in Hydro Buddy, set the prescribed dose for each, and calculate the results. For instance, I recently began running Megacrop Vegan (5g/Gal) with CalMag (5ml/Gal), except I did not purchase Megacrop or Calmag, I merely typed in the same elemental ppm targets and Hydro Buddy tells me how much of each salt I need to make that formulation. A few months after starting this thread, I chased down some really good info and shared it on 420. I mix my own chelated micro nutrient concentrates as well as all of the macros and secondaries into concentrates as well. I used to use Gypsum, but I had to keep that as a powder until use, but thankfully to make Megacrop, I no longer need the Gypsum or Epsom salt. Here's my thread on 420 on how to use Hydro Buddy, plus all the other shit I learned.

https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/making-your-own-nutrient-concentrates.455187/

 

[TintEastwood]

This is why I often tell growers to just buy salts as you can make EVERY nute line on the market so long as it has a Guaranteed Analysis. With that GA, you can program all of those products in Hydro Buddy, set the prescribed dose for each, and calculate the results. For instance, I recently began running Megacrop Vegan (5g/Gal) with CalMag (5ml/Gal), except I did not purchase Megacrop or Calmag, I merely typed in the same elemental ppm targets and Hydro Buddy tells me how much of each salt I need to make that formulation. A few months after starting this thread, I chased down some really good info and shared it on 420. I mix my own chelated micro nutrient concentrates as well as all of the macros and secondaries into concentrates as well. I used to use Gypsum, but I had to keep that as a powder until use, but thankfully to make Megacrop, I no longer need the Gypsum or Epsom salt. Here's my thread on 420 on how to use Hydro Buddy, plus all the other shit I learned.

https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/making-your-own-nutrient-concentrates.455187/

I'm with ya on this.
Except for the micro nutrients, no desire to chelate my own.

Excellent hydro buddy primer. I've enjoyed it in the past. And will probaby revisit next time I get the urge.

 

[2com]

This is why I often tell growers to just buy salts as you can make EVERY nute line on the market so long as it has a Guaranteed Analysis. With that GA, you can program all of those products in Hydro Buddy, set the prescribed dose for each, and calculate the results. For instance, I recently began running Megacrop Vegan (5g/Gal) with CalMag (5ml/Gal), except I did not purchase Megacrop or Calmag, I merely typed in the same elemental ppm targets and Hydro Buddy tells me how much of each salt I need to make that formulation. A few months after starting this thread, I chased down some really good info and shared it on 420. I mix my own chelated micro nutrient concentrates as well as all of the macros and secondaries into concentrates as well. I used to use Gypsum, but I had to keep that as a powder until use, but thankfully to make Megacrop, I no longer need the Gypsum or Epsom salt. Here's my thread on 420 on how to use Hydro Buddy, plus all the other shit I learned.

https://www.420magazine.com/community/threads/making-your-own-nutrient-concentrates.455187/

I'm gonna have to try real hard to not delve into that 420 thread. I don't have the time, what are you trying to do to me!?
Anyway - thank you so much for the hydrobuddy how to. I had a quick poke at the program but couldn't sort it out before I had to run. Plus I don't really use windows. But I'll be reading that and give it another go soon.

Thanks.
(Edit: Also, you're grounded!)