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Keeprollinup

Keeprollinup

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I thought this was a happy forum but doesn't matter where you go online it's always packed full of fucking trolls.

Get a fucking grip people arguing over stupid shit all the time you all need to just sit chill and light 1 up already. Fuck. :wall:bongsmilie:clap:
 
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growingforfun

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Keeprollinup said:
I thought this was a happy forum but doesn't matter where you go online it's always packed full of fucking trolls.

Get a fucking grip people arguing over stupid shit all the time you all need to just sit chill and light 1 up already. Fuck. :wall:bongsmilie:clap:
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I agree, I tried to be friendly an welcome him back but was attacked lol
 
Flowki

Flowki

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growingforfun said:
@Flowki "Theprice to truly make a hps set-up work consistently well all year round will actually cost you around as much as a cob set-up in the end."

Possibly but I think that equipment is needed for everyone.
To keep my temps perfect I use 2 wall mounted fans and 2x 8 inch fans on carbon filters pulling air through carbon filters and plumbed into my hvac system, this very effectively moves the heat into the rest of the house. While @Kingrow1 said that wasnt possible (lol) it very much is possible and all the proof you need is to feel the vents pushing warm air into the rest of the house.

There can be snow on the ground outside an my house is still about 70f , so I guess if what I'm doing isnt working like I claim then I'm somehow working unknown black magic to keep from freezing to death
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If your house is well insulated, I can perfectly believe that. King lives in the uk if I recall and likely in one of the older government built houses, while they are steady as a rock they were not so well insulated. Modern houses in the uk are built like shoe boxes but they are very well insulated, to the point your set-up would warm one of those just as easy.

With hps set-ups you can start out small, skimping on mandatory environment units or sizes at the cost of end qaulity. That they can at-least ''grow'' eludes them to that fact. With cob or led a lot of the environment strain is reduced but the cost of the units is a lot more, to the point those on a budget will not be able to afford. With that in mind, growing with a sub par hps set-up is better than not growing at all, I guess.



Kingrow1 said:
Most of the heat generated comes from the light as radiation and is not present until it hits a surface - outside rhe sun throws more light and ir than we can and so again question this excessive heat im not seeing still.

That light radiation heat is meant to be there- it drives transpiration which is mother natures nost efficient cooler.

Really most could cut their extraction and plants would thrive on a lot less than the wind tunnels most create.

Im not at idds with leds.... im at the complete opposite end and my answers to their constant claims clear as day. No argument just waiting till they complete a basic physics and biology xourse and apply that knowledge :-)
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You don't account for the heat stored in the hoods/bulbs and how that heat is transferred from the hoods angle, into the fan air and directed onto the canopy. This is why I always suggest people using hps should point fans up a little (good idea in general) to help ''reduce'' that cycle, as it helps bring cold air up from the floor and pushes it into the lights direction to cool the heat radiating from them (provided the air space under the fan allows this air movement). With cob and led around 80% of the heat goes directly up due to the heat sink design and aero dynamics of the units. W for W cob/led are better than hps at keeping excessive heat off the canopy, hps loses to this fact even in it's most fair scenario. As I previously said, you can use a closed hood but then you are locked into the dimensions> coverage of that hood, but that obviously is only an issue for some.

Cheap thermal control units exist that can cut your extraction at a desired temp and/or kick in heating. This isn't something that is plausible or advisable to do manually, if consistent good results is the target.
 
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Johnny Lawrence

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Kingrow1 said:
For the rest of the site who read this - These guys were the peeps who kept saying you need to jar weed at 60% and such, not one came back with the answer that dry weed is between 10 to 15% moisture and the rh is an equilibrium problem they still dont know how to work for proper dried weed.

Its why so many jar wet weed because of you trolls - Kingrow1 aint that fool and simply writes the science and right answers - laughable :-)
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Post one example of me saying such a thing, you fucking liar.

You're an idiot and a troll, and everybody here knows it. Have fun with your tiny closet grow.
 
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growingforfun

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Flowki said:
If your house is well insulated, I can perfectly believe that. King lives in the uk if I recall and likely in one of the older government built houses, while they are steady as a rock they were not so well insulated. Modern houses in the uk are built like shoe boxes but they are very well insulated, to the point your set-up would warm one of those just as easy.

With hps set-ups you can start out small, skimping on mandatory environment units or sizes at the cost of end qaulity. That they can at-least ''grow'' eludes them to that fact. With cob or led a lot of the environment strain is reduced but the cost of the units is a lot more, to the point those on a budget will not be able to afford. With that in mind, growing with a sub par hps set-up is better than not growing at all, I guess.





You don't account for the heat stored in the hoods/bulbs and how that heat is transferred from the hoods angle, into the fan air and directed onto the canopy. This is why I always suggest people using hps should point fans up a little (good idea in general) to help ''reduce'' that cycle, as it helps bring cold air up from the floor and pushes it into the lights direction to cool the heat radiating from them (provided the air space under the fan allows this air movement). With cob and led around 80% of the heat goes directly up due to the heat sink design and aero dynamics of the units. W for W cob/led are better than hps at keeping excessive heat off the canopy, hps loses to this fact even in it's most fair scenario. As I previously said, you can use a closed hood but then you are locked into the dimensions> coverage of that hood, but that obviously is only an issue for some.

Cheap thermal control units exist that can cut your extraction at a desired temp and/or kick in heating. This isn't something that is plausible or advisable to do manually, if consistent good results is the target.
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Correct. My house is amazingly well insulated, the attic has 3 layers of insulation, the walls are a ft thick made of extremely good quality material. I am also a bit of a energy freak so I insulate my windows in the winter so I dont lose heat in that way.

I could probably keep a similarly sized, less well insulated house warm as well but it would probably require I run another light or 2.

The key to my setup is directly connecting my grows exhaust to my home hvac so the heat is moved to exactly where I want it. In areas I dont care to heat I simply shut the vent and more heat is put into places like the bedroom. I'm actually quite proud of myself if you cant tell lol :)
 
mustbetribbin

mustbetribbin

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Is it that hard for you guys to post a respectful response in this thread, I see a lot of shit being hurled over almost nothing, I feel kingrow has been mild in his responses to you, I don't see the need to push this thread to such lowered standards towards a fellow member of this forum, did all those :razz::razz::razz: over the years get under your skin that bad?

The guy is just kidding around most of the time I've seen him post, the seriousness of how people have responded in this thread make it a hard read.

Lighten up folks, goodness.(:
 
Renfro

Renfro

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It's a good thing that most people don't behave in public how they behave on here. I would bust @KINGROW's face on my fist if he acted like this in person. Disrespectful and misinforming other users with his bullshit that LED is crap. Deserves to be cunt punted into a new dimension.
 
mustbetribbin

mustbetribbin

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Renfro said:
It's a good thing that most people don't behave in public how they behave on here. I would bust @KINGROW's face on my fist if he acted like this in person. Disrespectful and misinforming other users with his bullshit that LED is crap. Deserves to be cunt punted into a new dimension.
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Renfo this is a surprising stance you are taking against HPS, you only just recently started using diode technology, where do you feel it's your right to curse about at someone when you yourself are a newb to the technology yourself? I can see your Ego revealing itself loud and clear btw.

Has anyone came to your thread and cursed at you about your new grows, I just don't see where you think you are providing a service to this community by treating another well known member with such disdain, the way you've chosen to compose your message seems careless towards your own reputation even, it's honestly not how established members should treat each other, such messages send a bad vibe out into the internet, what you and I say here does go past this forum platform, it should matter how we conduct ourselves to others and how we bring our points across.

I'm not feeling much Love coming across from you message to kinggrow, that's not how being around this plant and consuming this medicine should make us feel, this plant brings about good thoughts and good changes, that's not what I'm picking up from the way your messages have been written.

Will you respond to me with anger also for expressing how what you've typed has made me feel? For simply offering productive criticism?

I just didn't expect such an inconsiderate set of post from a respected member here to another, I don't think kingrow expected it to reach this level of negativity on his new posting either, why would someone make a post if all that was going to be welcomed to them is hate speech and angst?

If you can't keep such negative words to yourself then why do come to someone's post to release them, don't you want to be treated the way you have treated others? Should these same words be used against you in one of your created threads, is this kind of persona you choose to be defined as? Someone willing to curse and admit to real life anger issues to those who have a slight disagreement with them over almost nothing, is this the type of people you think have attracted others to this forum, I certainly don't think so.

Anyways besides all of that, the stance you have all chosen against kingrow is a rather assumptive one, how do any of you know for absolute fact that kingrow isn't just showing pics of smaller grows just to fool around and Troll everyone, for all we know he's got a massive grow in his double decker basement, nobody here knows absolute anything, which is why I don't understand the unwelcoming responses and negative approach others are taking against kingrow, it's a bit assuming that's all.

Cannabis opens the mind, negative responses indicate a closed mind, it's better to follow the path that the plant naturally guides us onto, rather than resist and multiply negativity, people who resist are better off not consuming the plant, they lack the understanding of its purpose.
 
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growingforfun

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mustbetribbin said:
Renfo this is a surprising stance you are taking against HPS, you only just recently started using diode technology, where do you feel it's your right to curse about at someone when you yourself are a newb to the technology yourself? I can see your Ego revealing itself loud and clear btw.

Has anyone came to your thread and cursed at you about your new grows, I just don't see where you think you are providing a service to this community by treating another well known member with such disdain, the way you've chosen to compose your message seems careless towards your own reputation even, it's honestly not how established members should treat each other, such messages send a bad vibe out into the internet, what you and I say here does go past this forum platform, it should matter how we conduct ourselves to others and how we bring our points across.

I'm not feeling much Love coming across from you message to kinggrow, that's not how being around this plant and consuming this medicine should make us feel, this plant brings about good thoughts and good changes, that's not what I'm picking up from the way your messages have been written.

Will you respond to me with anger also for expressing how what you've typed has made me feel? For simply offering productive criticism?

I just didn't expect such an inconsiderate set of post from a respected member here to another, I don't think kingrow expected it to reach this level of negativity on his new posting either, why would someone make a post if all that was going to be welcomed to them is hate speech and angst?

If you can't keep such negative words to yourself then why do come to someone's post to release them, don't you want to be treated the way you have treated others? Should these same words be used against you in one of your created threads, is this kind of persona you choose to be defined as? Someone willing to curse and admit to real life anger issues to those who have a slight disagreement with them over almost nothing, is this the type of people you think have attracted others to this forum, I certainly don't think so.

Anyways besides all of that, the stance you have all chosen against kingrow is a rather assumptive one, how do any of you know for absolute fact that kingrow isn't just showing pics of smaller grows just to fool around and Troll everyone, for all we know he's got a massive grow in his double decker basement, nobody here knows absolute anything, which is why I don't understand the unwelcoming responses and negative approach others are taking against kingrow, it's a bit assuming that's all.

Cannabis opens the mind, negative responses indicate a closed mind, it's better to follow the path that the plant naturally guides us onto, rather than resist and multiply negativity, people who resist are better off not consuming the plant, they lack the understanding of its purpose.
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To comment on the last bit... kingrow advocates using no fans or cooling, that pretty much rules out everything except the micro grows he shows. He simply doesnt understand what medium to full size grows require.


As to renfros responses I feel they were very fair. His rep wont be hurt at all by what's been said. If you think renfro was outta line maybe just reread the threat start to finish an see if you still feel that way. I feel like everyone was nice and welcoming to kingrow1, then he was a huge dick for no reason to several people, so people bite back.
 
Renfro

Renfro

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mustbetribbin said:
Renfo this is a surprising stance you are taking against HPS
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I am not saying anything bad about HPS, I just don't think he should be spouting nonsense about LED. This dude goes around the site telling people that LED sucks and I have tried to be nice and I tolerated his bullshit as long as I was willing to without giving him a piece of my mind. It didn't just start in this thread. It's one thing to be stupid, it's another thing to spread stupidity like it's gospel and being rude to others as he does so. If you are offended by what I said directed at him then please understand that it wasn't directed at you.
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for all we know he's got a massive grow in his double decker basemen
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lol, that would be something. The dude has no clue, so I don't see that as possible, it would be a massive waste of power.
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Will you respond to me with anger also for expressing how what you've typed has made me feel?
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Absolutely not, it took a long time for that retard to push me to respond as I did and deservedly so. I think you are adult enough to understand that my statement wasn't in anyway directed at you. Your statements here have been entirely appropriate and nothing you said would make me inclined to be angry at you.
 
mustbetribbin

mustbetribbin

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growingforfun said:
To comment on the last bit... kingrow advocates using no fans or cooling, that pretty much rules out everything except the micro grows he shows. He simply doesnt understand what medium to full size grows require.


As to renfros responses I feel they were very fair. His rep wont be hurt at all by what's been said. If you think renfro was outta line maybe just reread the threat start to finish an see if you still feel that way. I feel like everyone was nice and welcoming to kingrow1, then he was a huge dick for no reason to several people, so people bite back.
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LoL, yeah I can see where kingrow1 was a bit of a jerk once or twice in this thread, but if you would also re-read some of this thread you'd notice obvious cues that hint that he was just joking about, the guy is s bit loony, maybe off putting at times but I haven't read anything hateful or hinting at harming someone in a post by KG1.

I'm not sure where you feel Renfro was necessarily fair in his responses, his first post he reply's with name calling/cursing, while not really offering much into the conversation, that is not to say Renfro is not an informative and intelligent person, I've read much into what Renfro has said and have learned a tip or two here or there from the Man, I'm just stating in this thread so far not much info has been put forth by the person, just dirt thrown after his well wishes were turned down jokingly by kingrow, if you didn't notice that then go back and look, KG1 was joking with Renfro good grief, lol, and then threats were made and things went down hill from there.

How is this us being positive towards each other as a community? , serious question.
 
The Gram Reaper

The Gram Reaper

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mustbetribbin said:
LoL, yeah I can see where kingrow1 was a bit of a jerk once or twice in this thread, but if you would also re-read some of this thread you'd notice obvious cues that hint that he was just joking about, the guy is s bit loony, maybe off putting at times but I haven't read anything hateful or hinting at harming someone in a post by KG1.

I'm not sure where you feel Renfro was necessarily fair in his responses, his first post he reply's with name calling/cursing, while not really offering much into the conversation, that is not to say Renfro is not an informative and intelligent person, I've read much into what Renfro has said and have learned a tip or two here or there from the Man, I'm just stating in this thread so far not much info has been put forth by the person, just dirt thrown after his well wishes were turned down jokingly by kingrow, if you didn't notice that then go back and look, KG1 was joking with Renfro good grief, lol, and then threats were made and things went down hill from there.

How is this us being positive towards each other as a community? , serious question.
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mustbetribbin

mustbetribbin

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Renfro said:
I am not saying anything bad about HPS, I just don't think he should be spouting nonsense about LED. This dude goes around the site telling people that LED sucks and I have tried to be nice and I tolerated his bullshit as long as I was willing to without giving him a piece of my mind. It didn't just start in this thread. It's one thing to be stupid, it's another thing to spread stupidity like it's gospel and being rude to others as he does so. If you are offended by what I said directed at him then please understand that it wasn't directed at you.

lol, that would be something. The dude has no clue, so I don't see that as possible, it would be a massive waste of power.

Absolutely not, it took a long time for that retard to push me to respond as I did and deservedly so. I think you are adult enough to understand that my statement wasn't in anyway directed at you. Your statements here have been entirely appropriate and nothing you said would make me inclined to be angry at you.
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Hi Renfro, nice to speak with you in person for once, I'm kind of a drifter on the forum so we haven't had much of any encounters to one another yet, so I do apologize for the circumstances and would had obviously rather started off on a more positive note with you, I meant no offense, I simply hoped to be a voice of reason in this thread and share what I could offer towards pushing is all towards collective understanding and consideration for one another, I feel the thread has been wound too tightly and I couldn't help but say something, sorry, but I do hope we can all be allowed to be who we are, and say what needs to be said, even if it's hard to say, it wasn't simple to reply to this thread, I had to think for a bit as to how this made me feel before responding, that's just me, thank you all for allowing me to say this, thank you.

And @Renfro I do understand that you were just responding to the thread and not to me in your reply, and it was not directed toward me, but can you also feel the heat from where I was driven to reply back to you in a response?

But Thank you for your reply Renfro, I can sense some positive energy from what you've said, and I think we are now moving towards unified thought and reason within this thread, more of that needs to be brought forth by us members here, that's what makes this forum superior to others in the first place, RIU beats them all, isn't that why we are all here? It's up to us to bring it out, others are viewing what we say, we should stand in solitude and build this forum into something even greater that what it would have been otherwise, there isn't another of each of us, we stand alone in our inner thoughts it's our right to shine, KG1 is no different the individual deserves to shine, be who he/she is rightful to respond however he/she feels within reason, just like the rest of us, it goes against the freedom that makes this forum great to think otherwise.

Cheers.
 
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