Republicans only care for children in the womb

[ttystikk]

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/31/donald-trump-impeachment-arguments-debunked/

Nancy Pelosi should do her job or resign the speakership.

 

[londonfog]

https://theintercept.com/2019/05/31/donald-trump-impeachment-arguments-debunked/

Nancy Pelosi should do her job or resign the speakership.

This thread is about republican only care about children in the womb. Kind of sounds like you after your daughter was born. Could care not.
On topic

 

[Herb & Suds]

wear a helmet...safety first

And a condom...

 

[Rob Roy]

Roads are a public good, paid for by taxation.

Your analogy breaks down upon even the most cursory examination, while you've totally failed to justify why you shouldn't be paying for public goods you clearly benefit from.

Kansas tried it your way a few years ago; it was a total failure.

I think your claim is a pseudo conflated drunken strawman.

People should pay a seller a mutually agreed price for what they willingly purchase

People should not be compelled to purchase things they do not use and should have the opportunity to seek services they do use from a multitude of service providers on a peaceful and consensual basis.

Can you please explain where in the two sentences above I'm wrong?

 

[Obepawn]

I think your claim is a pseudo conflated drunken strawman.

People should pay a seller a mutually agreed price for what they willingly purchase

People should not be compelled to purchase things they do not use and should have the opportunity to seek services they do use from a multitude of service providers on a peaceful and consensual basis.

Can you please explain where in the two sentences above I'm wrong?

Oh you’re back. I thought since you don’t like paying taxes, that the Government came took their prized slave back. Glad that didn’t happen RIU wouldn’t be the same without you.

 

[Rob Roy]

Oh you’re back. I thought since you don’t like paying taxes, that the Government came took their prized slave back. Glad that didn’t happen RIU wouldn’t be the same without you.

I'm sorry our relationship got off on the wrong foot. I guess that's partly my fault, trying to convince you of something obvious when your paycheck depended on your not believing the truth.

I'm hopeful you will reconsider your past actions and be able to forgive yourself someday for participating in holding people who never harmed anybody as captives.

 

[UncleBuck]

I'm sorry our relationship got off on the wrong foot. I guess that's partly my fault, trying to convince you of something obvious when your paycheck depended on your not believing the truth.

I'm hopeful you will reconsider your past actions and be able to forgive yourself someday for participating in holding people who never harmed anybody as captives.

How much did it cost to send you and all of your retard kids to public school?

 

[Obepawn]

I'm sorry our relationship got off on the wrong foot. I guess that's partly my fault, trying to convince you of something obvious when your paycheck depended on your not believing the truth.

I'm hopeful you will reconsider your past actions and be able to forgive yourself someday for participating in holding people who never harmed anybody as captives.

Yeah, 90% of California inmates are gang members, and I should have known better, that with all of their volunteering in their communities, charity, involvement in the church and being positive role models, that they couldn’t have committed their crimes. Pshhh.

You keep avoiding paying your taxes and I won’t have to explain to you how prison works. I think you’ll like it there, 3- meals a day, employment opportunities, of course, after they take their taxes out of your 8 cent an hour job, maybe you’ll have enough to buy a honey bun and some Ramen noodles. I personally think you would make some lucky inmate a very happy man.

 

[UncleBuck]

Yeah, 90% of California inmates are gang members, and I should have known better, that with all of their volunteering in their communities, charity, involvement in the church and being positive role models, that they couldn’t have committed their crimes. Pshhh.

You keep avoiding paying your taxes and I won’t have to explain to you how prison works. I think you’ll like it there, 3- meals a day, employment opportunities, of course, after they take their taxes out of your 8 cent an hour job, maybe you’ll have enough to buy a honey bun and some Ramen noodles. I personally think you would make some lucky inmate a very happy man.

He already has

 

[Rob Roy]

Yeah, 90% of California inmates are gang members, and I should have known better, that with all of their volunteering in their communities, charity, involvement in the church and being positive role models, that they couldn’t have committed their crimes. Pshhh.

You keep avoiding paying your taxes and I won’t have to explain to you how prison works. I think you’ll like it there, 3- meals a day, employment opportunities, of course, after they take their taxes out of your 8 cent an hour job, maybe you’ll have enough to buy a honey bun and some Ramen noodles. I personally think you would make some lucky inmate a very happy man.

The most powerful gangs in the world are Governments. They are so effective, because large percentages of the population in their territories religiously believe that somehow that gang has a right to rule over them.

Nobody has any right to rule over anybody and those who would deny this are afflicted with a serious case of psychological authority based indoctrination. You are a classic example of this. Your mind is so captured, you do things which you know are wrong, because some "authority" told you to do it. (and they give you money too...which others like you helped steal)

You aren't alone though, it's like a zombie apocalypse, where most of the beings are afflicted, so take comfort that your holding similar views as the seething masses makes you "normal". (read "afflicted" )

You admitted that there were people in jail who you helped hold in captivity, who were innocent of any crime. I suggested that there were even more people who had committed a statutory crime, but they weren't "real criminals" any more than a runaway slave was a real criminal when they broke the law by skedaddling from their "master". Rather than address your own guilt and complicity, you suppressed it, by talking about ramen noodles.

I am a happy man, because my mind is free, slave.


P.S. - I only ate ramen noodles once while held as a political prisoner and often traded my junk food for oranges etc. Did you know you can make jail wine from fruit ? Free markets persist even when in captivity.

 

[TacoMac]

Yeah, 90% of California inmates are gang members, and I should have known better, that with all of their volunteering in their communities, charity, involvement in the church and being positive role models, that they couldn’t have committed their crimes. Pshhh.

As a teacher of criminal justice, I find that we in fact do not have a criminal justice system. We have enforced penal colonies disguised as a criminal justice system.

Our system does absolutely nothing to deter crime, educate offenders, help offenders to not fall into the spiral of recidivism, or anything else for that matter.

It is, quite literally, a joke in the rest of the civilized world.

 

[Moses Mobetta]

As a teacher of criminal justice, I find that we in fact do not have a criminal justice system. We have enforced penal colonies disguised as a criminal justice system.

Our system does absolutely nothing to deter crime, educate offenders, help offenders to not fall into the spiral of recidivism, or anything else for that matter.

It is, quite literally, a joke in the rest of the civilized world.

I've always felt that way about it from what I've seen, especially growing up. A couple of kids I knew got caught up in foster care, both had been top athletes in school. Then they both went down hill after trouble with the law. One died at the age of 22, I don't know what happened to the other one. They weren't bad kids growing up, they just got caught up in something that tore them apart. My stepson too who is now on his 4th prison sentence, in a gang in prison again. All over DUI charges. I think he gets out in 2026 this time. He's got a lot of potential but he will be 45 when he gets out this time. My wife and I have done everything we could to help him but well

 

[TacoMac]

I've always felt that way about it from what I've seen, especially growing up. A couple of kids I knew got caught up in foster care, both had been top athletes in school. Then they both went down hill after trouble with the law. One died at the age of 22, I don't know what happened to the other one. They weren't bad kids growing up, they just got caught up in something that tore them apart. My stepson too who is now on his 4th prison sentence, in a gang in prison again. All over DUI charges. I think he gets out in 2026 this time. He's got a lot of potential but he will be 45 when he gets out this time. My wife and I have done everything we could to help him but well

That's an all too familiar tale. It happens 1000's of times each day in this country.

All you have to do to realize how wrong we're doing it is look at one simple statement: How on earth can a nation that only has 4% of the population of planet earth contain 25% of the world's prisoners?

Other nations use programs to mitigate crime. Their criminal justice systems are set up to find out why a crime happened, what mitigating factors there were if any and what would it take to put that person in a position to where he/she wouldn't have to do it again?

The vast majority of the time, a broken home and poverty are involved. Almost always.

Sadly, our foster parent program is even more abused than the criminal justice system is. It sickens me no end how the most powerful nation on earth can actually destroy the entire planet at will, put a probe on any planet or moon in the known solar system at will, but can't figure out how to put kids in loving homes and train a young man how to fix motorcycles, boat engines, build houses, run printing presses, garden, or any one of a million other trades to give them a shot at a decent, productive life.

There's only one reason we don't: money.

It's the reason every system we have is pretty much the worst on earth: It's ALL for profit. Absolutely NONE of it is made to solve problems.

 

[doublejj]

That's an all too familiar tale. It happens 1000's of times each day in this country.

All you have to do to realize how wrong we're doing it is look at one simple statement: How on earth can a nation that only has 4% of the population of planet earth contain 25% of the world's prisoners?

Other nations use programs to mitigate crime. Their criminal justice systems are set up to find out why a crime happened, what mitigating factors there were if any and what would it take to put that person in a position to where he/she wouldn't have to do it again?

The vast majority of the time, a broken home and poverty are involved. Almost always.

Sadly, our foster parent program is even more abused than the criminal justice system is. It sickens me no end how the most powerful nation on earth can actually destroy the entire planet at will, put a probe on any planet or moon in the known solar system at will, but can't figure out how to put kids in loving homes and train a young man how to fix motorcycles, boat engines, build houses, run printing presses, garden, or any one of a million other trades to give them a shot at a decent, productive life.

There's only one reason we don't: money.

It's the reason every system we have is pretty much the worst on earth: It's ALL for profit. Absolutely NONE of it is made to solve problems.

Wrong.....
CALPIA.......
CALPIA is a self-supporting state entity that reduces recidivism, increases prison safety, and enhances public safety by providing offenders productive work and training opportunities. Its program goals support CDCR's public safety mission by producing trained offenders with job skills, good work habits, basic education and job support in the community, giving them the best post-release chances of not returning to prison. CALPIA offenders receive industry-accredited certifications that employers seek.

Over a three-year period, beginning in Fiscal Year (FY) 2008-09, CALPIA participants returned to prison, on average, 26–38% less often than offenders released from the CDCR general population, saving the General Fund millions in incarceration costs.
CALPIA invests in curriculum for offenders, offering more than 120 nationally recognized accredited certifications, such as AutoCAD, computer coding, dental technology, food handling, laundry, agriculture, welding, metal-stamping, industrial safety and health, electrical systems, mechanical systems, and maintenance. CALPIA offenders may also earn certificates of proficiency in occupational disciplines to validate skills and abilities obtained during their time employed by CALPIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Prison_Industry_Authority

 

[Obepawn]

The most powerful gangs in the world are Governments. They are so effective, because large percentages of the population in their territories religiously believe that somehow that gang has a right to rule over them.

Nobody has any right to rule over anybody and those who would deny this are afflicted with a serious case of psychological authority based indoctrination. You are a classic example of this. Your mind is so captured, you do things which you know are wrong, because some "authority" told you to do it. (and they give you money too...which others like you helped steal)

You aren't alone though, it's like a zombie apocalypse, where most of the beings are afflicted, so take comfort that your holding similar views as the seething masses makes you "normal". (read "afflicted" )

You admitted that there were people in jail who you helped hold in captivity, who were innocent of any crime. I suggested that there were even more people who had committed a statutory crime, but they weren't "real criminals" any more than a runaway slave was a real criminal when they broke the law by skedaddling from their "master". Rather than address your own guilt and complicity, you suppressed it, by talking about ramen noodles.

I am a happy man, because my mind is free, slave.


P.S. - I only ate ramen noodles once while held as a political prisoner and often traded my junk food for oranges etc. Did you know you can make jail wine from fruit ? Free markets persist even when in captivity.

Wrong.....
CALPIA.......
CALPIA is a self-supporting state entity that reduces recidivism, increases prison safety, and enhances public safety by providing offenders productive work and training opportunities. Its program goals support CDCR's public safety mission by producing trained offenders with job skills, good work habits, basic education and job support in the community, giving them the best post-release chances of not returning to prison. CALPIA offenders receive industry-accredited certifications that employers seek.

Over a three-year period, beginning in Fiscal Year (FY) 2008-09, CALPIA participants returned to prison, on average, 26–38% less often than offenders released from the CDCR general population, saving the General Fund millions in incarceration costs.
CALPIA invests in curriculum for offenders, offering more than 120 nationally recognized accredited certifications, such as AutoCAD, computer coding, dental technology, food handling, laundry, agriculture, welding, metal-stamping, industrial safety and health, electrical systems, mechanical systems, and maintenance. CALPIA offenders may also earn certificates of proficiency in occupational disciplines to validate skills and abilities obtained during their time employed by CALPIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Prison_Industry_Authority

ima piggy back on Doublejj, when I was a Counselor in CDCR, I always pushed for inmates to get their GED, then College Degree. The recidivism for the average low educated inmate is 69-70%. Inmates who get an AA degree recidivism rate is at 32-35%, so education is key. I read one of the above posters say there is no rehabilitation, well I can’t speak for other states but here in California (State Prison system) every yard offers, education, accredited vocations, self-help (anger management, parenting classes, reentry programs, drug treatment, etc..) Religious and Peer education group. Ima tell you guys the same thing I use to tell an inmate who says CDCR does not rehabilitate inmates...you are absolutely right, we don’t rehabilitate but every facility in the state, no matter what your issue is, offers programs for you to rehabilitate yourself. Inmate has to want to be rehabilitated in order to be rehabilitated.

 

[ttystikk]

Wrong.....
CALPIA.......
CALPIA is a self-supporting state entity that reduces recidivism, increases prison safety, and enhances public safety by providing offenders productive work and training opportunities. Its program goals support CDCR's public safety mission by producing trained offenders with job skills, good work habits, basic education and job support in the community, giving them the best post-release chances of not returning to prison. CALPIA offenders receive industry-accredited certifications that employers seek.

Over a three-year period, beginning in Fiscal Year (FY) 2008-09, CALPIA participants returned to prison, on average, 26–38% less often than offenders released from the CDCR general population, saving the General Fund millions in incarceration costs.
CALPIA invests in curriculum for offenders, offering more than 120 nationally recognized accredited certifications, such as AutoCAD, computer coding, dental technology, food handling, laundry, agriculture, welding, metal-stamping, industrial safety and health, electrical systems, mechanical systems, and maintenance. CALPIA offenders may also earn certificates of proficiency in occupational disciplines to validate skills and abilities obtained during their time employed by CALPIA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Prison_Industry_Authority

Don't fall for everything you read.

https://www.propublica.org/article/guide-to-california-prisons

 

[Obepawn]

Don't fall for everything you read.

https://www.propublica.org/article/guide-to-california-prisons

Clarify your statement.

 

[doublejj]

Don't fall for everything you read.

https://www.propublica.org/article/guide-to-california-prisons

Prison overcrowding is a major problem. The California prison realignment program has shifted much of the burden down stream back onto the county jails and has created a huge issue in the county jails...inmates that belong in prison are doing up to 10 years in county jail. It's dangerous and unfair to the inmate as there are no rehabilitation programs in county jails.

 

[hellmutt bones]

Im more of a Libertarian where I mainly care about even before the baby is in the woumb. Like the part where the cock meets the woumb

 

[Moses Mobetta]

ima piggy back on Doublejj, when I was a Counselor in CDCR, I always pushed for inmates to get their GED, then College Degree. The recidivism for the average low educated inmate is 69-70%. Inmates who get an AA degree recidivism rate is at 32-35%, so education is key. I read one of the above posters say there is no rehabilitation, well I can’t speak for other states but here in California (State Prison system) every yard offers, education, accredited vocations, self-help (anger management, parenting classes, reentry programs, drug treatment, etc..) Religious and Peer education group. Ima tell you guys the same thing I use to tell an inmate who says CDCR does not rehabilitate inmates...you are absolutely right, we don’t rehabilitate but every facility in the state, no matter what your issue is, offers programs for you to rehabilitate yourself. Inmate has to want to be rehabilitated in order to be rehabilitated.

The same is true with addiction. Many inmates are addicts or alcoholics. Getting out even after long periods of sobriety many go get a beer or 2 and are right back in another jackpot wondering how it happened to them again.