Sir Napsalot
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In 1767 the British government ceded land in northern New Brunswick to my family as reparation for deporting them from Acadia
Repirations for slavery
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abandonconflict
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I'm still wondering what repirations are. Is it like if you were previously a pirate and then you reformed and stopped being a pirate and then someone made you be a pirate again. Would that be a repiration? If you were then a slave pirate, would that be a repiration for slavery?
Rob Roy
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That's exactly what happened to light hitting infielder Tim Foli when the Pittsburgh Pirates reacquired him in 1985.
He never made much money compared to the players today, definitely deserves some reparations.
londonfog
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It is a misspelling of the word " reparations" that most of us ignored because the topic is one of importance. Would be nice if it was spelled correctly but should not take away from the conversation.
londonfog
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You support pedophiles and have the same views of a racist. Take a day or two to think about that
londonfog
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Different type of slavery,
be careful your stupid is showing
too larry
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From wiki wiki ;
Between 1502 and 1866, of the 11.2 million Africans, only 388,000 arrived in the United States, while the rest arrived in Latin America and the Caribbean These slaves were brought as early as the 16th and 17th centuries.
You will notice that of those 364 years, the British were in charge for all but 103 of them.
Also of interest is the fact that almost all of the slavers were from New England. The first ships sailed from New England in the 1640's.
Between 1502 and 1866, of the 11.2 million Africans, only 388,000 arrived in the United States, while the rest arrived in Latin America and the Caribbean These slaves were brought as early as the 16th and 17th centuries.
You will notice that of those 364 years, the British were in charge for all but 103 of them.
Also of interest is the fact that almost all of the slavers were from New England. The first ships sailed from New England in the 1640's.
londonfog
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Up to six in ten articles on Wikipedia contain inaccuracies, according to new research.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2131458/Up-articles-Wikipedia-contain-factual-errors.html
Rob Roy
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I don't like pedophiles or racists and don't agree with their choices. So your statement is sort of a non sequitur to the reparations conversation, however in fairness (to me) I should point out a few things about your contradictory ideas.
You support forced servitude and have the same view as a group of gang rapists, who have little regard for peaceful individual rights. You are unable to form a coherent argument rebutting that...since it's absolutely accurate.
You are okay with forcing a neutral person to serve another person against their will, if a "majority" has somehow decided it's okay. Can you deny that ? No, you can't.
Are you okay with forcible redistribution based on race too?
Isn't that a racist point of view?
londonfog
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Seems you can't get a handle of what is being said.
I support equals rights for all without discrimination. I support if a place is open to the public, it shall not refuse service base on race, gender, religion..
Please notice the key phrase is " open to the public " because it shatters your force-servitude argument. If you don't want to serve all, DO NOT BE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. You do have a choice.
I also believe a child of 12 cannot concent to sex with an adult. No middle ground. No " what if she is really mature for her age. NO FUCKING NOTHING.
You on the other hand support a racist being able to tell a black person to get their "n" ass out his/her store, ( which is open to the public) due to color of skin.
You support a bigoted store owner having rights to kick your own dear sweet, beautiful, caring, loving, mother out a store open to the public due to her being female
You also think a 12 year old can concent to sex in some cases.
tstick
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"I also believe a child of 12 cannot concent to sex with an adult. No middle ground. No " what if she is really mature for her age. NO FUCKING NOTHING."
"You also think a 12 year old can concent to sex in some cases."
"Consent"....You did it twice, so it wasn't a typo! ...Be careful. Your stupid is showing.
I didn't realize that slavery had been broken down into specific categories. I do know that slavery had been going on around the world for thousands of years prior to the American slave trade. I used Rome as my example because their conquests, and subsequent enslavement of their prisoners as a result of those conquests, helped shape the modern world -as did the Chinese enslavement of otherChinese...or the Egyptians enslavement of other Africans.....and so on and so on. It seems that enslavement has been part of the evolution of humanity and civilization. So, if America is to be expected to make reparations, then it seems that the whole world should start making reparations. Or, we can chalk it up to history and societal evolution and move on to solving the present problems with society rather than perseverating on problems of the past.
Roger A. Shrubber
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it doesn't matter....history has no meaning to some people.
from the early 1500s Europeans had been slaving as an industry. by 1560, the Caribbean and the coast of South America was full of European slaves... working for Europeans...
so that whole "America started slavery in 1619" thing is bullshit. there were already slaves in the "Americas" well before 1619, and they weren't brought by or owned by Americans.
this in no way absolves our ancestors of any guilt, but i like to be damned for facts, and not assumptions...and it just abrogates those peoples existence...slavery didn't exist until 1619...those people didn't exist till 1619...so their suffering is inconsequential....at least inconsequential to people who don't bother to learn the truth...
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/misguided-focus-1619-beginning-slavery-us-damages-our-understanding-american-history-180964873/
londonfog
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Well my spelling corrections are usually done by @Rob Roy , but you are free to be my spelling correction bitch if you so desire. If you are going to point it out please show the corrections . Thanks Bitch."I also believe a child of 12 cannot concent to sex with an adult. No middle ground. No " what if she is really mature for her age. NO FUCKING NOTHING."
"You also think a 12 year old can concent to sex in some cases."
"Consent"....You did it twice, so it wasn't a typo! ...Be careful. Your stupid is showing.
I didn't realize that slavery had been broken down into specific categories. I do know that slavery had been going on around the world for thousands of years prior to the American slave trade. I used Rome as my example because their conquests, and subsequent enslavement of their prisoners as a result of those conquests, helped shape the modern world -as did the Chinese enslavement of otherChinese...or the Egyptians enslavement of other Africans.....and so on and so on. It seems that enslavement has been part of the evolution of humanity and civilization. So, if America is to be expected to make reparations, then it seems that the whole world should start making reparations. Or, we can chalk it up to history and societal evolution and move on to solving the present problems with society rather than perseverating on problems of the past.
To help you on your ignorance of slavery, please Google chattel slavery and how it differs from slavery in ancient Rome as well as ancient Egypt.
As stated earlier ( in which I'm sure you did not read ) the payment would come from COMPANIES and FAMILIES that prospered off slavery then and up to this day. so it would not be AMERICA paying for reparations, so you can keep your pennies.
How can you move to solve todays problems when you have not solved or acknowledge the problems of the past ?
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londonfog
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please do tell where slaves where in America prior to 1619. Please have link to your information. Who brought the slaves over, where did they get them from prior to 1619. Who where these slaves prior to the Dutch company bring over the 20 Africans.
Why is it so difficult for white people to admit this nation was built on the back of slavery, was built as a white supremacy nation and still to this day practice institutionalize racism.
Roger A. Shrubber
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no...just no...the Spanish and Portuguese were the actual prime movers and shakers in the early days then the British took dominance and maintained it till the trade ended. if any Jews were majorly involved in the slave trade, it was as a business that was as legitimate at the time as any other business...they neither started it nor dominated it
there are enough issues in this thread without dragging Semitism into it, either pro or anti...
londonfog
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Jewish Involvement In
Black Slave Trade
To The Americas
By Rabbi Marc Lee Raphael
2-24-6
The following passages are from Dr. Raphael's book Jews and Judaism in the United States: A Documentary History (New York: Behrman House, Inc., Pub, 1983), pp. 14, 23-25.
"Jews also took an active part in the Dutch colonial slave trade; indeed, the bylaws of the Recife and Mauricia congregations 1648 included an imposta (Jewish tax) of five soldos for each Negro slave a Brazilian Jew purchased from the West Indies Company. Slave auctions were postponed if they fell on a Jewish holiday. In Curacao in the seventeenth century, as well as in the British colonies of Barbados and Jamaica in the eighteenth century, Jewish merchants played a major role in the slave trade. In fact, in all the American colonies, whether French (Martinique), British, or Dutch, Jewish merchants frequently dominated.
"This was no less true on the North American mainland, where during the eighteenth century Jews participated in the 'triangular trade' that brought slaves from Africa to the West Indies and there exchanged them for molasses, which in turn was taken to New England and converted into rum for sale in Africa. Isaac Da Costa of Charleston in the 1750's, David Franks of Philadelphia in the 1760's, and Aaron Lopez of Newport in the late 1760's and early 1770's dominated Jewish slave trading on the American continent."
Dr. Raphael discusses the central role of the Jews in the New World commerce and the African slave trade (pp. 23-25):
SEVENTEENTH AND EIGHTEENTH CENTURIES JEWISH INTER-ISLAND TRADE: CURACAO, 1656
During the sixteenth century, exiled from their Spanish homeland and hard-pressed to escape the clutches of the Inquisition, Spanish and Portuguese Jews fled to the Netherlands; the Dutch enthusiastically welcomed these talented, skilled husinessmen.
While thriving in Amsterdam - where they became the hub of a unique urban Jewish universe and attained status that anticipated Jewish emancipation in the West by over a century - they began in the 1500's and 1600's to establish themselves in the Dutch and English colonies in the New World. These included Curacao, Surinam, Recife, and New Amsterdam (Dutch) as well as Barbados, Jamaica, Newport, and Savannah (English).
In these European outposts the Jews, with their years of mercantile experience and networks of friends and family providing market reports of great use, played a significant role in the merchant capitalism, commercial revolution, and territorial expansion that developed the New World and established the colonial economies. The Jewish-Caribbean nexus provided Jews with the opportunity to claim a disproportionate influence in seventeenth and eighteenth century New World commerce, and enabled West Indian Jewry-far outnumbering its coreligionists further north-to enjoy a centrality which North American Jewry would not achieve for a long time to come.
Groups of Jews began to arrive in Surinam in the middle of the seven-teenth century, after the Portuguese regained control of northern Brazil. By 1694, twenty-seven years after the British had surrendered Surinam to the Dutch, there were about 100 Jewish families and fifty single Jews there, or about 570 persons. They possessed more than forty estates and 9,000 slaves, contributed 25,905 pounds of sugar as a gift for the building of a hospital, and carried on an active trade with Newport and other colonial ports. By 1730, Jews owned 115 plantations and were a large part of a sugar export business which sent out 21,680,000 pounds of sugar to European and New World markets in 1730 alone.
Slave trading was a major feature of Jewish economic life in Surinam which as a major stopping-off point in the triangular trade. Both North American and Caribbean Jews played a key role in this commerce: records of a slave sale in 1707 reveal that the ten largest Jewish purchasers (10,400 guilders) spent more than 25 percent of the total funds (38,605 guilders) exchanged.
Jewish economic life in the Dutch West Indies, as in the North American colonies, consisted primarily of mercantile communities, with large inequities in the distribution of wealth. Most Jews were shopkeepers, middlemen, or petty merchants who received encouragement and support from Dutch authorities. In Curacao, for example, Jewish communal life began after the Portuguese victory in 1654.
In 1656, the community founded a congregation, and in the early 1670's brought its first rabbi to the island. Curacao, with its large natural harbor, was the steppng-stone to the other Caribbean islands and thus ideally suited geographically for commerce.
The Jews were the recipients of favorable charters containing generous economic privileges granted by the Dutch West Indies Company in Amsterdam. The economic life of the Jewish community of Curacao revolved around ownership of sugar plantations and marketing of sugar, the importing of manufactured goods, and a heavy involvement in the slave trade, within a decade of their arrival, Jews owned 80 percent of the Curacao plantations. The strength of the Jewish trade lay in connections in Western Europe as well as ownership of the ships used in commerce. While Jews carried on an active trade with French and English colonies in the Caribbean, their principal market was the Spanish Main (today Venezuela and Colombia).
Extant tax lists give us a glimpse of their dominance. Of the eighteen wealthiest Jews in the 1702 and 1707 tax lists, nine either owned a ship or had at least a share in a vessel. By 1721 a letter to the Amsterdam Jewish community claimed that "nearly all the navigation...was in the hands of the Jews."' Yet another indication of the economic success of Curacao's Jews is the fact that in 1707 the island's 377 residents were assessed by the Governor and his Council a total of 4,002 pesos; 104 Jews, or 27.6 percent of the taxpayers, contributed 1,380 pesos, or 34.5 percent of the entire amount assessed.
In the British West Indies, two 1680 tax lists survive, both from Barbados; they, too, provide useful information about Jewish economic life. In Bridgetown itself, out of a total of 404 households, 54 households or 300 persons were Jewish, 240 of them living in "ye Towne of S. Michael ye Bridge Town." Contrary to most impressions, "many, indeed, most of them, were very poor." There were only a few planters, and most Jews were not naturalized or endenizened (and thus could not import goods or pursue debtors in court). But for merchants holding letters of endenization, opportunities were not lacking. Barbados sugar-and its by-products rum and molasses-were in great demand, and in addition to playing a role in its export, Jewish merchants were active in the import trade.
Forty-five Jewish households were taxed in Barbados in 1680, and more than half of them contributed only 11.7 percent of the total sum raised. While the richest five gave almost half the Jewish total, they were but 11.1 percent of the taxable population. The tax list of 1679-80 shows a similar picture; of fifty-one householders, nineteen (37.2 percent) gave less than one-tenth of the total, while the four richest merchants gave almost one-third of the total.
An interesting record of interisland trade involving a Jewish merchant and the islands of Barbados and Curacao comes from correspondence of 1656. It reminds us that sometimes the commercial trips were not well planned and that Jewish captains - who frequently acted as commercial agents as well - would decide where to sell their cargo, at what price, and what goods to bring back on the return trip.
tstick
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Now, now...settle down. Just pointing out that you're no one to be calling anyone stupid. I'm not sure what "Thank Bitch" is supposed to mean, either. lol! Anyway...
If you are seriously asking my opinion as to how we can solve present problems without acknowledging the past problems, then my response is that we have already have acknowledged many of these past problems -slavery in particular ....many times. There really are no solutions. It happened. It was bad. It's acknowledged. We can't solve today's problems by wallowing in yesterday. We used to think that the solar system revolved around the Earth. We were wrong. We learned more and eventually moved on to better understanding, later. Social evolution is much the same....We used to believe things that have subsequently shown us to be ignorant. We learned more and moved on. And if we want to keep driving forward, then we have to stop looking in the rear view mirror and stopping for piss breaks every five minutes.
londonfog
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Settle down ? What makes you think I'm uptight ?
STOP. you think the problems of slavery do not exist today ?
I was thanking you for being my Spelling Corrections Bitch.
I understand...when losing a debate point out spelling errors.