Repirations for slavery

Covetsculitvars

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https://www.wcax.com/content/news/Should-Vermont-make-a-formal-apology-and-reparations-for-slavery-507423361.html

I was across the lake in Burlington add overheard this on a local television channel. May I ask what this entails!? My elders reminded me a lot that Vermont kinda led the way in ending slavery movement if I'm correct. I can't beleieve anyone who was an actual slave here back in 1770 are still here seeking reparations. It's hard being Abenaki and having our people shoved onto a plot of chit land.....having our elder homer almost kill himself trying to advocate for our tribe to be recognized on a national level! It makes some in our community cynical when they see 30-40 yrs of folks moving to the area.....starting shit by making demands on the area they have moved into such as .......coming to the state to sell cocaine out of section 8 properties....getting busted and claiming its Vermont racism that got you busted! Or coming to the state to start controversy, misdirected hostility.......all the while allowing folks who are toxic souls to poison a good community by misleading folks with false information. It's hard enough to get decent healthcare, living arrangements, schooling and food up here to start trying to turn Vermont into Ferguson Missouri ......I've seen lots of folks move to Vermont because it's a better way of life than 80% of the rest of the country( depending on what u like, vets no tolls,no billboards, type stuff) then they realize how hard it is to get things going solid for long periods of time up here. If your not making 22.00 an hour in Vermont your dragging ass. It's hard to find these type of pay scales anymore locally. As a Native American I wonder how reparations would look and if these folks trying to push this mindset have any clue what it really entails. I have no input either way as of yet because I'm really naive about the 1770 in Vermont and what things were like. I don't wanna be nasty, I'm just curious how this process works. Or if it should even be talked about or considered with the current state of the Union. I'm always worried folks will come here and try to distract law makers from doing good work that's really needed, like infrastructure, schools....mental health treatment ...........dept of children and families needs a Serious overhaul .....I just worry things like this will take away folks motivations to chase after the more immediate concerns the Area has.
 

scumrot derelict

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"More than 150 years have passed since slavery came to end in the United States, yet its consequences still shape the country. Of the 38 Million Black Americans, the vast majority can trace its genetic roots to slaves shipped in from Africa; many of the economic, social and political inequalities that Black Americans face can be traced back this era. The United States was built and rose to wealth and power with the help of slavery. Should the US government pay reparations for slavery? This controversial suggestion is under debate here."

I am pretty bummed out that the far-right wants us to believe that it is wrong to want some justice for the US government's involvement in buying and selling black people.

Fight me.
 
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Covetsculitvars

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I'm reading the history of Liberia at the moment..........I had no idea the United States government bought and sold slaves! I was under the impression those plantations were owned by rich European or thier American born relatives who went to Africa to trade. I had no idea the govt
Then again I got buddies lie this chirping in my ear so I hear a lot in my weekly travels through New York, Vermont, New Hampshire area........boy is Clayton lake nice right now!

 

Grandpapy

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I would think $1m per slave (handed down to next of kin of course) would solve the problem, in addition to stimulating the economy.

The private sector is standing by with check swabs.
 

scumrot derelict

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I'm reading the history of Liberia at the moment..........I had no idea the United States government bought and sold slaves! I was under the impression those plantations were owned by rich European or thier American born relatives who went to Africa to trade. I had no idea the govt
Then again I got buddies lie this chirping in my ear so I hear a lot in my weekly travels through New York, Vermont, New Hampshire area........boy is Clayton lake nice right now!

Kind of disappointing that you posted a concern troll about slavery reparations and then followed it up with a video of a "fried chicken - Africa".

You are disingenuous at best.
 

UncleBuck

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https://www.wcax.com/content/news/Should-Vermont-make-a-formal-apology-and-reparations-for-slavery-507423361.html

I was across the lake in Burlington add overheard this on a local television channel. May I ask what this entails!? My elders reminded me a lot that Vermont kinda led the way in ending slavery movement if I'm correct. I can't beleieve anyone who was an actual slave here back in 1770 are still here seeking reparations. It's hard being Abenaki and having our people shoved onto a plot of chit land.....having our elder homer almost kill himself trying to advocate for our tribe to be recognized on a national level! It makes some in our community cynical when they see 30-40 yrs of folks moving to the area.....starting shit by making demands on the area they have moved into such as .......coming to the state to sell cocaine out of section 8 properties....getting busted and claiming its Vermont racism that got you busted! Or coming to the state to start controversy, misdirected hostility.......all the while allowing folks who are toxic souls to poison a good community by misleading folks with false information. It's hard enough to get decent healthcare, living arrangements, schooling and food up here to start trying to turn Vermont into Ferguson Missouri ......I've seen lots of folks move to Vermont because it's a better way of life than 80% of the rest of the country( depending on what u like, vets no tolls,no billboards, type stuff) then they realize how hard it is to get things going solid for long periods of time up here. If your not making 22.00 an hour in Vermont your dragging ass. It's hard to find these type of pay scales anymore locally. As a Native American I wonder how reparations would look and if these folks trying to push this mindset have any clue what it really entails. I have no input either way as of yet because I'm really naive about the 1770 in Vermont and what things were like. I don't wanna be nasty, I'm just curious how this process works. Or if it should even be talked about or considered with the current state of the Union. I'm always worried folks will come here and try to distract law makers from doing good work that's really needed, like infrastructure, schools....mental health treatment ...........dept of children and families needs a Serious overhaul .....I just worry things like this will take away folks motivations to chase after the more immediate concerns the Area has.
Consider the following:

















Suicide
 

TacoMac

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The United States took part in the slave trade a total of 24 years.

The previous 200+ were all the product of Europe.

European nations are actually far more responsible for it than the United States is. After all, they created the entire thing.
 

Fogdog

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Yeah. The US plantation owners in no way were responsible for buying slaves and working them to death. In no way did they profit from the slave trade. In no way were they responsible for the unusual practice of institutionalized generational chattel slavery. It was all Europe's fault. In no way did the US benefit from slave labor. In no way did post civil war southern society benefit from Jim Crow laws. It was Europe.

And the Chinese. They must have done something wrong too. Because China, man. Also Mexico.
 

Rrog

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150 years ago is ancient history. The inherent divisiveness is today. It’s a distraction and a marketing platform.
 

scumrot derelict

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150 years ago is ancient history. The inherent divisiveness is today. It’s a distraction and a marketing platform.
Besides the crime which consists in violating the law, and varying from the right rule of reason, whereby a man so far becomes degenerate, and declares himself to quit the principles of human nature, and to be a noxious creature, there is commonly injury done to some person or other, and some other man receives damage by his transgression: in which case he who hath received any damage, has, besides the right of punishment common to him with other men, a particular right to seek reparation.

— John Locke, “Second Treatise”
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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there's not one black person in America today that was a slave. there's not one white person in America today that has owned a slave. why are people who didn't do something giving anything to people that didn't have anything done to them?
this is a way for white people to assuage some kind of guilt i apparently do not feel...and for black people to get something they did not earn...you wanna reanimate some slaves, i'll be happy to pay them reparations...
 

Jefferson1977

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Oh shit I misread the title. I thought it said "registrations for slavery". I'm already registered with the government...
 

scumrot derelict

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there's not one black person in America today that was a slave. there's not one white person in America today that has owned a slave. why are people who didn't do something giving anything to people that didn't have anything done to them?
this is a way for white people to assuage some kind of guilt i apparently do not feel...and for black people to get something they did not earn...you wanna reanimate some slaves, i'll be happy to pay them reparations...
(HR 3745): To acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a Commission to examine the institution of slavery, subsequent de jure and de facto and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies, and for other purposes.

We need to respect the fact that racism existed, and still exists today. Don't you agree?
 

UncleBuck

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150 years ago is ancient history. The inherent divisiveness is today. It’s a distraction and a marketing platform.
there's not one black person in America today that was a slave. there's not one white person in America today that has owned a slave. why are people who didn't do something giving anything to people that didn't have anything done to them?
this is a way for white people to assuage some kind of guilt i apparently do not feel...and for black people to get something they did not earn...you wanna reanimate some slaves, i'll be happy to pay them reparations...
wealth is passed down through families. many white families owe their entire wealth to the labor they stole from slaves.

these families who stole wealth from black families need to pay it back, plain and simple.
 
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