BurtMaklin
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I appreciate that.
Repirations for slavery
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BurtMaklin
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londonfog
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Funny shit. Now Bernie is down with reparations. LOL
This man is all talk with no action. and will say anything to get a vote.
NEW YORK — Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders slightly modified his position on reparations when he joined a slew of other Democratic presidential candidates on Friday, saying he now supports studying the possibility of payments.
Sanders, who has made earning support of black voters a central part of his White House bid, has previously said he does not back directly compensating the African-American community for the damage wrought by slavery and segregation. However, when pressed by the Rev. Al Sharpton at the National Action Network convention in Manhattan, Sanders expressed willingness to pass a law that would establish a commission to study the feasibility of reparations if he becomes president.
Sharpton has asked each of the presidential candidates at the convention if they would back the legislation as president.
“If the House and Senate passed that bill, of course I would sign it,” Sanders said.
A reparations bill was introduced by Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas.
After offering some support for Jackson Lee’s reparations bill, Sanders qualified his position.
This man is all talk with no action. and will say anything to get a vote.
NEW YORK — Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders slightly modified his position on reparations when he joined a slew of other Democratic presidential candidates on Friday, saying he now supports studying the possibility of payments.
Sanders, who has made earning support of black voters a central part of his White House bid, has previously said he does not back directly compensating the African-American community for the damage wrought by slavery and segregation. However, when pressed by the Rev. Al Sharpton at the National Action Network convention in Manhattan, Sanders expressed willingness to pass a law that would establish a commission to study the feasibility of reparations if he becomes president.
Sharpton has asked each of the presidential candidates at the convention if they would back the legislation as president.
“If the House and Senate passed that bill, of course I would sign it,” Sanders said.
A reparations bill was introduced by Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee, D-Texas.
After offering some support for Jackson Lee’s reparations bill, Sanders qualified his position.
Fogdog
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Fogdog
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Well, dang. You beat me to the apology. Because I stand corrected in how I interpreted your post and made something out of nothing.
BurtMaklin
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Just as much my fault for quick firing a post without reading it. I never actually went back and read it until today. Felt kinda dumb, feeling kinda sheepish.
londonfog
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Fogdog
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I can actually get behind all of what he's saying but as usual, what Sanders stands for is OK, but insufficient. He shows no understanding of the issue.
londonfog
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He was against the war... before he was for it
He was against the crime bill... before he was for it
He was against reparations...before he was for it..
Sorry but I will be doing something else with my monies before giving to Sanders.
This old cat can't make up his mind on shit.
and again what is the delay with him releasing his taxes ? Damn Bernie !!
Fogdog
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If the choice is between Bernie or Trump, then I'm voting for Bernie. But, no way he's getting my support in the primary.
Does anybody have a good description of how this country ought to go about reparations for what it did to black people? Kamala Harris showed she had a good understanding of the depth the problem but all she did was suggest we study it. I think some things could be done right away without need to study it. Still, I don't know that we know enough to say how to remedy the deeper harm done.
londonfog
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Fuck yes I would vote for Bernie twice in the General if he made it...but I can't see him even coming near to what he did with this field of candidates
squarepush3r
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https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nation/the-curse-of-the-thinking-class/
The Curse of the Thinking Class
Clusterfuck Nation
For your reading pleasure Mondays and Fridays
How might we account for the strange melding of neuroticism and dishonesty that has gripped America’s thinking class since the ascent of Donald Trump as an epically reviled figurehead on our ship of state? It all seems to come down to shame and failure.
There is, for instance, the failure of America’s leading economic viziers to arrest the collapse of the middle class — and with it, the disintegration of families — that more than anything produced the 2016 election result. What is a bigger emergency: the destruction of all those towns, cities, and lives in flyover-land, or the S & P stock index going down twenty points?
The choice made by the “experts” the past ten years is obvious: pump the financial markets at all costs by using dishonest policy interventions which they are smart enough to know will eventually blow up the banking system. They did it to preserve their reputations long enough to retire out of their jobs. The trouble is that the damage is now so extreme that when the time comes for them to apologize it will not be enough. They will lose their freedom and perhaps their heads.
The neuroticism and dishonesty is exactly what turned two of this country’s most sacred and noble endeavors, higher education and medicine, into disgraceful rackets. Sunday night, CBS 60 Minutes covered both bases in their lead story about how the NYU medical school recently declared its program tuition-free. This great triumph was due to an enormous cash gift from one of the founders of the Home Depot company, billionaire Ken Langone. Nowhere in the broadcast did CBS raise the question as to how the cost of a degree became so outrageous in the first place. Or how Mr. Langone made his fortune by putting every local hardware store in America out of business, which enabled him to capture the annual incomes of ten thousand small business owners and their employees. NYU’s grand gesture is just a way to paper over the shame of the University executives’ role in the college loan racket that may destroy countless lives.
Neuroticism and shame is what drives identity politics with all its weird ritual persecutions and punishments. It was the thinking class that led the civil rights campaign of the 1960s. Here we are fifty years later with dozens of ruined cities, failed public school systems, and prisons stuffed with black men way out of proportion to their actual demographic in the general population (nationally 37 percent versus 13 percent). In California, it’s 29 percent while only 6 percent of the state’s male residents are African American. The favored narrative of the thinking class says that the high incarceration rate is due to unfair application of drug laws for relatively minor offenses, especially being caught holding weed.
Okay, marijuana has been legal in California for several years now. Has that altered the statistics? I guess we’ll find out soon. Is there another explanation? Perhaps disproportionate bad behavior of other kinds: assault, robbery, murder? Perhaps the result of government policies engineered by the thinking class to promote single-parent households with no fathers present for three generations now?
After all this time and all the evidence of how pernicious this condition is, why is there no debate about it? Why is the thinking class so dishonest about the most ruinous ingredient in everyday public schooling: bad behavior, violence, and constant classroom disruption. The thinking classes must be ashamed and appalled by all this, since it appears to contradict all the mighty efforts made to uplift the black underclass. And so what was the most notable response? The Obama Department of Education directed school districts to stop suspending and disciplining black kids who behaved badly because it looked bad, and that policy is still in place. How’s that working out?
The latest appeal among the thinking class to remedy these otherwise intractable and embarrassing problems is the panacea of reparations for the descendants of slaves. Of course, the money spent on social services the past half-century, if simply distributed as cash, would have made every African American a millionaire. Personally, I can’t imagine a worse way of ginning up racial animosity across America to the breaking point than these proposed reparations. We will surely hear more about this in the long slog to the 2020 elections, and it will only make the USA look more insane to the rest of the world.
The thinking class’s position on both legal and illegal immigration is possibly even more cynical — because they surely know how dishonest it is, even through the fog of self-deception. Last week California’s attorney general Xavier Becerra proposed that illegal immigration be decriminalized. Surprisingly, nobody laughed at this extraordinary exercise in casuistry. Meanwhile, the state slides into hopeless insolvency, squalor, and chaos — a reminder that people don’t necessary get what they expect, but rather what they deserve.
RussiaGate, of course, has been the most acute locus of neurotic dishonesty across this land the past two years. The primary information organs of the thinking class — The New York Times, The WashPo, CNN, MSNBC — have not only omitted to apologize for the dangerous hysteria they knowingly propagated, but they persist in supporting the matrix of fantasies at all costs in what must now be seen as a hopeless attempt to preserve their reputations and perhaps even their livelihoods. The repudiation of this nonsense by chief inquisitor Robert Mueller could not be more absolute, even if he was compelled by reality against his own wishes and instincts to do it. And now, what avenue will all this diseased animus of the thinking class go down in its destructive, shame-fueled frenzy to justify itself?
The Curse of the Thinking Class
Clusterfuck Nation
For your reading pleasure Mondays and Fridays
How might we account for the strange melding of neuroticism and dishonesty that has gripped America’s thinking class since the ascent of Donald Trump as an epically reviled figurehead on our ship of state? It all seems to come down to shame and failure.
There is, for instance, the failure of America’s leading economic viziers to arrest the collapse of the middle class — and with it, the disintegration of families — that more than anything produced the 2016 election result. What is a bigger emergency: the destruction of all those towns, cities, and lives in flyover-land, or the S & P stock index going down twenty points?
The choice made by the “experts” the past ten years is obvious: pump the financial markets at all costs by using dishonest policy interventions which they are smart enough to know will eventually blow up the banking system. They did it to preserve their reputations long enough to retire out of their jobs. The trouble is that the damage is now so extreme that when the time comes for them to apologize it will not be enough. They will lose their freedom and perhaps their heads.
The neuroticism and dishonesty is exactly what turned two of this country’s most sacred and noble endeavors, higher education and medicine, into disgraceful rackets. Sunday night, CBS 60 Minutes covered both bases in their lead story about how the NYU medical school recently declared its program tuition-free. This great triumph was due to an enormous cash gift from one of the founders of the Home Depot company, billionaire Ken Langone. Nowhere in the broadcast did CBS raise the question as to how the cost of a degree became so outrageous in the first place. Or how Mr. Langone made his fortune by putting every local hardware store in America out of business, which enabled him to capture the annual incomes of ten thousand small business owners and their employees. NYU’s grand gesture is just a way to paper over the shame of the University executives’ role in the college loan racket that may destroy countless lives.
Neuroticism and shame is what drives identity politics with all its weird ritual persecutions and punishments. It was the thinking class that led the civil rights campaign of the 1960s. Here we are fifty years later with dozens of ruined cities, failed public school systems, and prisons stuffed with black men way out of proportion to their actual demographic in the general population (nationally 37 percent versus 13 percent). In California, it’s 29 percent while only 6 percent of the state’s male residents are African American. The favored narrative of the thinking class says that the high incarceration rate is due to unfair application of drug laws for relatively minor offenses, especially being caught holding weed.
Okay, marijuana has been legal in California for several years now. Has that altered the statistics? I guess we’ll find out soon. Is there another explanation? Perhaps disproportionate bad behavior of other kinds: assault, robbery, murder? Perhaps the result of government policies engineered by the thinking class to promote single-parent households with no fathers present for three generations now?
After all this time and all the evidence of how pernicious this condition is, why is there no debate about it? Why is the thinking class so dishonest about the most ruinous ingredient in everyday public schooling: bad behavior, violence, and constant classroom disruption. The thinking classes must be ashamed and appalled by all this, since it appears to contradict all the mighty efforts made to uplift the black underclass. And so what was the most notable response? The Obama Department of Education directed school districts to stop suspending and disciplining black kids who behaved badly because it looked bad, and that policy is still in place. How’s that working out?
The latest appeal among the thinking class to remedy these otherwise intractable and embarrassing problems is the panacea of reparations for the descendants of slaves. Of course, the money spent on social services the past half-century, if simply distributed as cash, would have made every African American a millionaire. Personally, I can’t imagine a worse way of ginning up racial animosity across America to the breaking point than these proposed reparations. We will surely hear more about this in the long slog to the 2020 elections, and it will only make the USA look more insane to the rest of the world.
The thinking class’s position on both legal and illegal immigration is possibly even more cynical — because they surely know how dishonest it is, even through the fog of self-deception. Last week California’s attorney general Xavier Becerra proposed that illegal immigration be decriminalized. Surprisingly, nobody laughed at this extraordinary exercise in casuistry. Meanwhile, the state slides into hopeless insolvency, squalor, and chaos — a reminder that people don’t necessary get what they expect, but rather what they deserve.
RussiaGate, of course, has been the most acute locus of neurotic dishonesty across this land the past two years. The primary information organs of the thinking class — The New York Times, The WashPo, CNN, MSNBC — have not only omitted to apologize for the dangerous hysteria they knowingly propagated, but they persist in supporting the matrix of fantasies at all costs in what must now be seen as a hopeless attempt to preserve their reputations and perhaps even their livelihoods. The repudiation of this nonsense by chief inquisitor Robert Mueller could not be more absolute, even if he was compelled by reality against his own wishes and instincts to do it. And now, what avenue will all this diseased animus of the thinking class go down in its destructive, shame-fueled frenzy to justify itself?
Fogdog
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Oh look,
The trumptard just posted some more right wing propaganda. They are wordy bitches aren't they?
squarepush3r
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Moses Mobetta
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Let's face it it's all bullshit. Many Japanese companies who are filthy rich today forced POW,s to work in deplorable conditions, a lot of them lost their lives, many lost a hand, leg or arm due to their treatment. Nobody ever got a dime of settlement money from any of those companies that I recall but it was talked about quite a bit. This shit has happened many times throughout history and the wealthy always seem to come out on top. The system we have is predisposed to benefit greedy immoral rich fuckers at the expense of the working class and the poor. Look at the tobacco industry, if you made a product that killed a small percentage of those deaths associated with tobacco use you'd probably be in prison.
londonfog
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until they don't
Moses Mobetta
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I wouldn't hold my breath
Fogdog
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How about adding "dismiss right wing propaganda as fake news" to that pyramid? Nothing you post is original, much less factual. Agree that you are an ass hat.
srh88
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I see him doing ok in the primary. Not winning but getting close. All the barnie supporters thinking this is his 2nd chance.