Democrats/Liberals can be just as racist...

Fogdog

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I was joking with the basic logic that escapes some people.

Definitely not all racists are republican, cause some racists are dems. That does not exclude the possibility all republicans are racist though, just that all racists aren’t republican. Big difference.

Some racists are dems, which means not all racists are republicans, which does not mean not all republicans are racist, nor does it make it any less bad they are. Try explaining that to the OP. :lol:
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We have plenty here. Some vote libertarian too.
 
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I think Republicans are so used to denying their racism, they can’t even imagine others are more honest about it. When you vote for the same party the neo nazis do, it should indicate something, but then with your 2 party system...

It’s not uncommon for rural areas be more racist than city people who actually live with people from different cultures. Same rural areas typically vote conservative parties, who tend to be more anti-immigration. So usually it’s more a combination of correlations. The problem with the republicans is that many of their politicians, all the way up to the president, are openly racist and directly appeal to racists to vote for them in order to make racism ok again.
 
Boberman

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^^lol

The racist right keep trotting out that old discredited claim. Given the actions taken by the modern GOP, it is quite understandable they would want to talk about the distant past, when the GOP was not completely beholden to the KKK, neo-Nazis and other radical racists. The GOP actually had a non-racist wing back then. Too bad they lost their way and embraced racist politicians.
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Do I really need to post the Virginia stuff?
 
Boberman

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I think Republicans are so used to denying their racism, they can’t even imagine others are more honest about it. When you vote for the same party the neo nazis do, it should indicate something, but then with your 2 party system...

It’s not uncommon for rural areas be more racist than city people who actually live with people from different cultures. Same rural areas typically vote conservative parties, who tend to be more anti-immigration. So usually it’s more a combination of correlations. The problem with the republicans is that many of their politicians, all the way up to the president, are openly racist and directly appeal to racists to vote for them in order to make racism ok again.
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My liberal friends are far more intolerant then my red neck friends. Yeah can you believe that I don't choose my friends based on their political beliefs... But I can see the difference in their attitudes.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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My liberal friends are far more intolerant then my red neck friends. Yeah can you believe that I don't choose my friends based on their political beliefs... But I can see the difference in their attitudes.
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i have some democrat friends and some republican friends.
the democrat friends tell me how to solve a lot of problems. then i ask them how we're going to pay for all of it and they stare at me like i'm asking them where the air they breath comes from.....
my republican friends tell me how to solve the same problems, and i ask them what about the people that will get fucked over by this? and they stare at me like i'm asking "what about the microbes in the air we breath?"...
whenever i try to offer a path somewhere between the two extremes, i'm scoffed at, told i just don't understand either side.
i'm kind of happy that i don't understand either side. if i did, i would be as crazy as the assholes i hang around with....
 
Sativied

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Boberman said:
My liberal friends are far more intolerant then my red neck friends. Yeah can you believe that I don't choose my friends based on their political beliefs... But I can see the difference in their attitudes.
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But those redneck friends support a president who wants immigrants from Norway and not south america right? Man, I’ll trade you 1000muslim immigrants for 2000 Latinas any day of the week. Only reason to build the wall is racism (there is factually no crisis, requesting immigration is legal, most drugs enters through ports), only reason to support it is racism. Your specific experience with those specific friends - I know the type, I never suggested ALL people in rural areas are racists - doesn’t change the correlations I mentioned. Another one would be that less educated folks tend to be more susceptible to populism, which in turn cater to racists. Doesn’t mean all uneducated people are racist.

The point was that it’s not uncommon for there to be an overlap between people living in rural areas, voting conservative/republican, and racism. That doesn’t necessarily mean all voters for such a conservative party are racists, or all in rural areas. In a 2party system, if one side gets the support of neo nazis it obviously does’t mean all people on that side are neo nazis.

The main problem non-racist (non-cultist) republicans/conservatives have now is that they no longer have a non-racist (but competent, honorable, conservative) party to vote for. It may very well be the end of the GOP. As a more classic liberal, I truly feel sorry for some of them that Trump is killing American conservatism.
 
Fogdog

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Do I really need to post the Virginia stuff?
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LOL

Sure, post away, I always like a good laugh.

Why do Rigth wingers aka Republicans think that whataboutisms are a good rebuttal to facts?

EVERY Republican, EVERY person who voted for Trump is racist to some degree. I'm speaking about today, not just 30 years ago. Some Democrats are racist too. Especially those on the Sanders bandwagon. Not one Democrat running for office last year joked about lynching though your Mississippi Senator did.

Just saying, it's naive to say that Republicans are the same as Democrats especially when it comes to issues of the civil rights of minorities. Your kind are even trying to take away the right to vote from black people.
 
UncleBuck

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Boberman said:
My liberal friends are far more intolerant then my red neck friends. Yeah can you believe that I don't choose my friends based on their political beliefs... But I can see the difference in their attitudes.
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Didn’t the guy you voted for promise to ban an entire religion?

What does the constitution say about freedom of religion?
 
Fogdog

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But those redneck friends support a president who wants immigrants from Norway and not south america right? Man, I’ll trade you 1000muslim immigrants for 2000 Latinas any day of the week. Only reason to build the wall is racism (there is factually no crisis, requesting immigration is legal, most drugs enters through ports), only reason to support it is racism. Your specific experience with those specific friends - I know the type, I never suggested ALL people in rural areas are racists - doesn’t change the correlations I mentioned. Another one would be that less educated folks tend to be more susceptible to populism, which in turn cater to racists. Doesn’t mean all uneducated people are racist.

The point was that it’s not uncommon for there to be an overlap between people living in rural areas, voting conservative/republican, and racism. That doesn’t necessarily mean all voters for such a conservative party are racists, or all in rural areas. In a 2party system, if one side gets the support of neo nazis it obviously does’t mean all people on that side are neo nazis.

The main problem non-racist (non-cultist) republicans/conservatives have now is that they no longer have a non-racist (but competent, honorable, conservative) party to vote for. It may very well be the end of the GOP. As a more classic liberal, I truly feel sorry for some of them that Trump is killing American conservatism.
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It's hard for me to swallow that anybody could vote for Trump when they heard his rhetoric about hispanic people and what he planned to do to them. Nah, anybody who ignored that and voted for Trump had to lean towards racism. People don't have to wear a white robe and funny hat to commit racist acts. Ignoring the one-sided effect of a policy on minorities is classic systemic racism.

Edit: Sanders color blindness in our economy is why I say he's racist as well as his devout supporters. It's not that they are drooling nxxxer haters. That are systemic racists because they don't recognize that improving everybody's economic status maintains racial economic inequality.
 
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Fogdog

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Boberman said:
My liberal friends are far more intolerant then my red neck friends. Yeah can you believe that I don't choose my friends based on their political beliefs... But I can see the difference in their attitudes.
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A black colleague at work came from Louisiana. He said he planned his road trips in that state so that he would never be driving about in rural districts at night. Don't crow about tolerant red necks.
 
Sativied

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the democrat friends tell me how to solve a lot of problems. then i ask them how we're going to pay for all of it.
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No wonder they start staring at you, you’re using typical conservative arguments against democrats and typical liberal arguments against reps :lol:
In reality conservatives are far from conservative with the budget though. In reality just not having a republican president would save you enough money to cure world hunger and then some... Asking how the largest economy in the world, a nation that prints its own money, can pay for something is frankly a very poor argument. Especially when it comes to things like healthcare, education, ending poverty etc.
 
Fogdog

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No wonder they start staring at you, you’re using typical conservative arguments against democrats and typical liberal arguments against reps :lol:
In reality conservatives are far from conservative with the budget though. In reality just not having a republican president would save you enough money to cure world hunger and then some... Asking how the largest economy in the world, a nation that prints its own money, can pay for something is frankly a very poor argument. Especially when it comes to things like healthcare, education, ending poverty etc.
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That's right

The US has the world's largest economy (economic output or nominal GDP) yet only 4% of the world's population. The "cost" for single payer healthcare in line with Canda or Sweden isn't even an issue. Nor the cost of providing equal access to a great education or sanitation and a healthy water supply, etc..

Hookworm, a disease most commonly linked to most impoverished regions of the planet had been eliminated from the US a long time ago. It is making a comeback in the southern US. Tell me there isn't something wrong about that.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

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No wonder they start staring at you, you’re using typical conservative arguments against democrats and typical liberal arguments against reps :lol:
In reality conservatives are far from conservative with the budget though. In reality just not having a republican president would save you enough money to cure world hunger and then some... Asking how the largest economy in the world, a nation that prints its own money, can pay for something is frankly a very poor argument. Especially when it comes to things like healthcare, education, ending poverty etc.
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sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason...cliches become cliched because they're true.
typically, historically, democrats raise social awareness, education rates, quality of life...and unemployment rates, taxes, and inflation. republicans lower taxes, inflation, and unemployment rates, and stifle the arts, education, social responsibility, social awareness...
there's got to be a balance somewhere between the two,
 
Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
sometimes stereotypes exist for a reason...cliches become cliched because they're true.
typically, historically, democrats raise social awareness, education rates, quality of life...and unemployment rates, taxes, and inflation. republicans lower taxes, inflation, and unemployment rates, and stifle the arts, education, social responsibility, social awareness...
there's got to be a balance somewhere between the two,
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Which century are you talking about? The past three decades have seen Republicans be the spendthrifts. What's conservative about raising spending and cutting taxes? What's conservative about driving the economy into the Great Recession? TEMPORARILY cutting taxes, mind you. Eventually those tax cuts are going to mean higher taxes on somebody.

Reagan used the metaphor, "starve the beast" when he cut taxes. He claimed that high deficits from his tax cuts would lead to cuts in spending, which never happened. That reality never came home to Republicans but they came to like their unfunded tax cuts. They did it two more times since Reagan. They spend like drunken sailors too.

Come to think of it, that was an insult to drunken sailors. My apologies.
 
Sativied

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Fogdog said:
It's hard for me to swallow that anybody could vote for Trump when they heard his rhetoric about hispanic people and what he planned to do to them. Nah, anybody who ignored that and voted for Trump had to lean towards racism. People don't have to wear a white robe and funny hat to commit racist acts. Ignoring the one-sided effect of a policy on minorities is classic systemic racism.
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I think we’re largely in agreement. Trump made it very tough to argue for ANY republican they aren’t racist. After the election already, and only more so by now.

I do think there are people who voted for Trump to vote above all against Hillary/dems and the established order, and voted for him despite his comments, even not agreeing with him or simply not caring enough. That last part is arguably racism, not caring about how poc are treated, but I do know the type (in the US) and they don’t all match the “racist” stereotype. Some are just ignorant, uninformed even, yet decent folk when it comes to social interaction with anyone. Obviously not talking about magats.
 
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