Occasio Cortez, New Green Deal visionary?

Fogdog

Fogdog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
i'm completely in favor of rebuilding the infrastructure of the country. it would bolster the economy to very close to wartime conditions.
rebuilding most of the bridges and tunnels in the country would take decades.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/02/us/2018-structurally-deficient-bridges-trnd/index.html
then there are the roads themselves. the interstate system is crumbling, well over half the roadways should be replaced. the original cost of building just the roadways was 119 billion...that's not including pre-existing turnpikes that were incorporated.
aging, inefficient, unsafe power grids would have to be replaced. there are 5.5 million miles of local power lines, and 200,000 miles of high power lines, that need to be upgraded, replaced, buried where possible....just NYC has 6,500 miles of water mains that need to be replaced....
then you have to find locations for wind farms that won't cause the extinction of any of the wildlife in the area, that won't decimate migrating fowl, that are actually strategically placed to be effective, that are well enough maintained to remain effective....
then do the same thing in different locations for solar farms....
and that's a drop in the bucket....this bill IS impossible to achieve in ten years, just logistically.....maybe in 25. if you could get the entire country, and most of the manufacturing industries in the country, behind the plan. and that would still be a massive job...
don't get me wrong, i would be happy if it happens, and would be happy to contribute to it.
as far as it being a symbol of the countries commitment to improving itself, there's no harm in that, and it may be a significant psychological victory, but psychological victories and symbols don't pave any new road....
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It is not a bill.

It is a non-binding resolution, not a bill.

Converting to renewable power in 10 years is technically feasible. There is enough power from the sun, which also drives wind, to provide enough power for this country in excess. We have the technology to build this new power generating system. What remains is the will and a detailed plan to do so. I agree this country doesn't have the will today. Yes it will be difficult, expensive and will shake up the country's social structure. The cost of not doing so is higher.

Regarding wind power and its effects on birds in particular, the Audubon Society put out their own statement in support of wind power because as they say the largest danger to birds is global climate change. They endorse and fund studies to reduce bird losses from wind energy systems because as they say the real risk is mass extinction events including bird species extinctions due to climate change. They get it, people who are on the sidelines might give them a listen.

That said, wind will only generate about 10%-15% of power needs. The largest single technology that will contribute to this change will be photovoltaic systems. But all are needed -- wind, geothermal, tide and wave energy.

California has mandated that each new home will be built with solar energy panels installed, for example. California has a law that mandates 50% of all power to come from non-emissions sources by 2030. They don't think that is impractical, they think it is necessary. That's the difference between a nonbinding resolution and a law. If we say 100% in 10 years in a nonbinding resolution and end up passing regulations that achieve 50% in 10 years, what's is wrong with that?

If Cortez's resolution makes us laugh at her but we end up with the same laws that California has regarding 50% of power coming from non-emmission sources by 2030 then the last laugh will be hers.

What that resolution does and is doing is drive the conversation. Parts of the plan will become law. Parts will never see the light of day. But it is a clear, concise set of text that people can discuss. Cortez has already achieved her goal if that was her purpose.
 
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Bugeye

Bugeye

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Too, too funny. NPR published this in both PDF and word form, here is the word form with my highlights of amateur hour in red. No time to waste in providing for those unwilling to work! LOL Still waiting to hear of hacking from anyone other than Fogdog, god love him.

LAUNCH: Thursday, February 7, at 8:30 AM.

Overview

We will begin work immediately on Green New Deal bills to put the
nuts and bolts on the plan described in this resolution (important to
say so someone else can’t claim this mantle).
This is a massive transformation of our society with clear goals and
a timeline.
o The Green New Deal resolution a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect
of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve
net-zero greenhouse gas emissions and create economic prosperity for
all. It will:
 Move America to 100% clean and renewable energy
 Create millions of family supporting-wage, union jobs
 Ensure a just transition for all communities and workers to
ensure economic security for people and communities that have
historically relied on fossil fuel industries
 Ensure justice and equity for frontline communities by
prioritizing investment, training, climate and community
resiliency, economic and environmental benefits in these
communities.
 Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:
 A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical
leave, vacations, and retirement security
 High-quality education, including higher education and
trade schools
 Clean air and water and access to nature
 Healthy food
 High-quality health care
 Safe, affordable, adequate housing
 Economic environment free of monopolies
Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to
work
There is no time to waste.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
Too, too funny. NPR published this in both PDF and word form, here is the word form with my highlights of amateur hour in red. No time to waste in providing for those unwilling to work! LOL Still waiting to hear of hacking from anyone other than Fogdog, god love him.

LAUNCH: Thursday, February 7, at 8:30 AM.

Overview

We will begin work immediately on Green New Deal bills to put the
nuts and bolts on the plan described in this resolution (important to
say so someone else can’t claim this mantle).
This is a massive transformation of our society with clear goals and
a timeline.
o The Green New Deal resolution a 10-year plan to mobilize every aspect
of American society at a scale not seen since World War 2 to achieve
net-zero greenhouse gas emissions and create economic prosperity for
all. It will:
 Move America to 100% clean and renewable energy
 Create millions of family supporting-wage, union jobs
 Ensure a just transition for all communities and workers to
ensure economic security for people and communities that have
historically relied on fossil fuel industries
 Ensure justice and equity for frontline communities by
prioritizing investment, training, climate and community
resiliency, economic and environmental benefits in these
communities.
 Build on FDR’s second bill of rights by guaranteeing:
 A job with a family-sustaining wage, family and medical
leave, vacations, and retirement security
 High-quality education, including higher education and
trade schools
 Clean air and water and access to nature
 Healthy food
 High-quality health care
 Safe, affordable, adequate housing
 Economic environment free of monopolies
Economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to
work
There is no time to waste.
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LOL



You keep posting invalid shit.

Keep up the propaganda. The only true statement of Cortez's New Green Deal is the one that was actually submitted to Congress.

Nice try, though. Actually not.
 
Bugeye

Bugeye

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Fogdog said:
LOL



You keep posting invalid shit.

Keep up the propaganda. The only true statement of Cortez's New Green Deal is the one that was actually submitted to Congress.

Nice try, though. Actually not.
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Actually no, she submitted what I posted to NPR for public release. I don't question that it was subsequently changed. Why do you question that she originally put this out? Why would you claim that I made it up because I'm a liar? Why not just apologize? Hint - I will forgive you.
 
Unclebaldrick

Unclebaldrick

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Bugeye said:
Actually no, she submitted what I posted to NPR for public release. I don't question that it was subsequently changed. Why do you question that she originally put this out? Why would you claim that I made it up because I'm a liar? Why not just apologize? Hint - I will forgive you.
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I suppose blind squirrels spend a of of time bragging about the nut they once found. Welcome back Gomer.

 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Bugeye said:
Actually no, she submitted what I posted to NPR for public release. I don't question that it was subsequently changed. Why do you question that she originally put this out? Why would you claim that I made it up because I'm a liar? Why not just apologize? Hint - I will forgive you.
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I knew you'd pull up some bs crap. I didn't know an unedited and probably hacked version would somehow make it out of her office but I knew something made of slime would appear. So, I linked the only true statement from Cortez's office, the only version that was submitted to Congress.

Also why I warned you that you'd get laughed at when you tried to pull your slimy bullshit.

Fogdog said:
You made shit up about the ten years. You have no credibility to lean on, you have to prove what you said is true. I went through the resolution and find no reference to "provide for able people unwilling to work" anywhere or in any form. Where does it say that in Cortez's resolution that the New Green Deal? Cite the page and paragraph number on that page where it says anything remotely like that in this document:

https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=5731829-Ocasio-Cortez-Green-New-Deal-Resolution

You like to talk in circular logic. Another logical fallacy that I guess you think is clever but actually proves you wrong. Any response other than a cited page number and paragraph number on that page that says something like what you claim will be laughed at.

Because liars lie.
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Because liars lie.

When shown up for those lies, liars deserve to be laughed at.


 
med4u

med4u

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Fogdog said:
It is not a bill.

It is a non-binding resolution, not a bil

Converting to renewable power in 10 years is technically feasible. There is enough power from the sun, which also drives wind, to provide enough power for this country in excess. We have the technology to build this new power generating system. What remains is the will and a detailed plan to do so. I agree this country doesn't have the will today. Yes it will be difficult, expensive and will shake up the country's social structure. The cost of not doing so is higher.

Regarding wind power and its effects on birds in particular, the Audubon Society put out their own statement in support of wind power because as they say the largest danger to birds is global climate change. They endorse and fund studies to reduce bird losses from wind energy systems because as they say the real risk is mass extinction events including bird species extinctions due to climate change. They get it, people who are on the sidelines might give them a listen.

That said, wind will only generate about 10%-15% of power needs. The largest single technology that will contribute to this change will be photovoltaic systems. But all are needed -- wind, geothermal, tide and wave energy.

California has mandated that each new home will be built with solar energy panels installed, for example. California has a law that mandates 50% of all power to come from non-emissions sources by 2030. They don't think that is impractical, they think it is necessary. That's the difference between a nonbinding resolution and a law. If we say 100% in 10 years in a nonbinding resolution and end up passing regulations that achieve 50% in 10 years, what's is wrong with that?

If Cortez's resolution makes us laugh at her but we end up with the same laws that California has regarding 50% of power coming from non-emmission sources by 2030 then the last laugh will be hers.

What that resolution does and is doing is drive the conversation. Parts of the plan will become law. Parts will never see the light of day. But it is a clear, concise set of text that people can discuss. Cortez has already achieved her goal if that was her purpose.
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So its sorta like a sci-fi novel?
The draft i read was title Soylent Green New Deal...must of been an early draft...

Pelosi just called it "that green dream thing"...lol the only way that things ever leavin the house is in Pelosis trash can
Pelosi then commenced to scrub ALOCO from the new climate change commitee....ouch
 
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Fogdog

Fogdog

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med4u said:
So its sorta like a sci-fi novel?
The draft i read was title Soylent Green New Deal...must of been an early draft...

Pelosi just called it "that green dream thing"...lol the only way that things ever leavin the house is in Pelosis trash can
Pelosi then commenced to scrub her from the new climate change commitee....ouch
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uhhhyuck uhhhyuck uhhhyuck. Thet solvnt greet thang wers sur funny.

You should ask for your money back, you know, the one who charged you for comedy lessons.

But seriously folks,

You don't know the whole story.

Cortez was asked about Pelosi's comment. Her reply was "I think its a dream too".

I like that.
 
med4u

med4u

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Yep the demos....an exceptionally hot steamin mess .....hey maybe she can get it thru that mysterious 3rd chamber she thinks is in the senate...lol
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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med4u said:
Yep the demos....an exceptionally steamin hot mess .....hey maybe she can get it thru that mysterious 3rd chamber she thinks is in the senate...lol
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she was obviously referring to the executive branch

is that really the best you've got?

you strike me as about the most pathetic male i've come across in some time. even more pathetic than @GreatwhiteNorth posting youtube birther conspiracy videos or @lokie calling obama the n-word and expressing his love for blackface
 
med4u

med4u

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Lol that must be what was...
The progressives are gonna fuck the dems up again...lol
Trump wont even need a rally for the next run
 
med4u

med4u

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Let me guess all lizzy warrens cuzins?
The only thing red bought her was her face when she got caught lyin about her minority status at univ of penn
Thought you didnt like liars?
 
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