Chris Hedges for President!

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Sandernista

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ttystikk said:
If establishment Democrats represented the interests of the Left as well as you say they do, then explain why there's a huge Progressive movement underway in American politics?

You can't. You just don't get it. You're a camp 1 believer; that there's only a few details amiss and that most of what's happening in American politics is OK.

We Progressives are in camp 2; we've woken up to the fact that all three branches of the Federal government are hopelessly in bed with the monied interests and that it's a tiny minority of Americans and the corporations they run that are really in charge of policy.

I've posted lots of evidence to support my claims, only to watch you shit on the work of University professors and Pulitzer Prize winning journalists while spewing corporatist nonsense unsubstantiated by any actual fact or research.

You persist in calling me an outlier when both @Padawanbater2 and I have posted many polls and studies that show unequivocally that our views are not just popular but represent the majority opinion of voting Americans.

In short, you have no credibility here whatsoever- and to the extent that others on this forum share your views, they don't either.
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Sounds like a Paulbot.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Oh gawd here we go again. Semantics. Progressive as the term was coined in the 1900's meant a person who supports progress instead of radical change. There are liberal progressives and conservative progressives. I am and the Democratic party mostly are liberal progressives. We support progress towards liberal policies as opposed to radical change.

Your definition of Progressive is "socialist". Also, you can only accept your version of radical change and demand it immediately. So, no, there is not a huge "Progressive" or more accurately phrased -- radical socialist movement -- underway in America. Also, Cult of Sanders is stained with whiffs of racism and outright misogyny. So, not really radical change where it matters for about 60% of this country.

How many "Progressives" are there in Congress today and who are they? I think maybe there are six and no more than ten but couldn't name them. So who are these vanguard of your "Progressive" movement and are there enough to justify your claim of a "huge" movement?

You post propaganda and I call it out as such. I'm glad you don't like it.
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You're the one deflecting the argument towards semantics in a vain attempt to discredit millions of Americans who know damn well their interests have not been represented or even taken seriously by the Democratic Party in 30 years.

Misrepresent all you want; it doesn't make you one bit more credible.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
You're the one deflecting the argument towards semantics in a vain attempt to discredit millions of Americans who know damn well their interests have not been represented or even taken seriously by the Democratic Party in 30 years.

Misrepresent all you want; it doesn't make you one bit more credible.
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Actually you've said quite clearly that "Progressive" in your lexicon is "radical socialism right now". Bernie himself abandoned support of the ACA for government provided universal healthcare with no transition or detail. Quite radical, quite socialist. Occasio-Cortez is quite honestly saying she's socialist. I think she's one of your Progressives isn't she? I think she's OK, by the way. Who else in Congress is on your list of "Progressives". You still haven't named any yet you claim there is some huge movement afoot. Who are the people that represent this movement?

I keep telling you that I support most policies that you do, I simply don't agree that the reason why those policies have been enacted is because the Democratic Party is controlled by moneyed interests. The evidence, as shown in voting polls (the only polls that matter), is that most people oppose radical socialist change. The majority in this country don't oppose the ideas, they simply oppose the kind of legislation represented by Bernie's health care bill. Too vague and not well defined also not debated and it's all just for show anyway. I support government provided healthcare too but not now because the country isn't ready for it. The ACA is and always has been a bridge to universal healthcare. Right now, progress would be defined as shoring up and improving the ACA, not a headlong commitment to universal healthcare. Maybe in two or four years but not now. That kind of legislation couldn't pass through the senate and if it did, Trump would veto it. So, let's work on the possible and make progress.

But I don't think you understood what I just said. I'm guessing you stopped reading when you were enraged by my disagreeing with you.
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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ttystikk said:
If you can't even offer your own definition of such central concepts of your political ideology, you can't expect anyone else to understand or accept your views.
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Except I don't have a political ideology that I wish to force on other people. Politics is a euphemism for legal violence, theft and fraud and often murder.



I DO have a philosophy, but it isn't politically based.

The central concepts of my philosophy are described in the link below. I recommend reading the fundamentals first, but I think you may not bother since you still believe peaceful ends can be achieved thru forceful operational means, which of course is impossible.

Enjoy.

http://voluntaryist.com/
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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zeddd said:
Greater than being pressganged and sold for rum?
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I was describing @londonfog boot lickery and apologist approach for his masters.

I probably should have qualified my comment as a reference to mental enslavement, and in no way did I intend to disparage people in physical enslavement.
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Rob Roy said:
I was describing @londonfog boot lickery and apologist approach for his masters.

I probably should have qualified my comment as a reference to mental enslavement, and in no way did I intend to disparage people in physical enslavement.
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How do you file ? Do you usually owe, break even or receive a refund ? Do you claim any relatives ?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Chris Hedges has made it clear that he is not interested in the Presidency, he's much happier as a journalist.

I admire his integrity.
 
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