Chris Hedges for President!

londonfog

londonfog

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ttystikk said:
You work real hard at blaming others for the fact that Democrats can't represent anyone but the top 1%.

You aren't even smart enough to get paid for it; you're a classic sucker who has been co-opted into defending the kleptocrats from people like yourself!

And finally, since when isn't the Democratic Party part of the inverted totalitarian fascist order?
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another member you just insulted whist refusing to discuss the issue
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Not true. That was an on topic rebuttal; one I've repeated many times.
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For the record, what you call "rebuttal" is:

You aren't even smart enough to get paid for it; you're a classic sucker who has been co-opted into defending the kleptocrats from people like yourself!

That ^^ contains no element of what can be called a "rebuttal" because there are no logical statements in thee, only accusations and rhetoric.

The best part comes next

That was an on topic rebuttal; one I've repeated many times

"one that I've repeated many times" LOL as if being a serial jackass is somehow better than only being a jackass once.

Most funny of all is it seems you believe your words and aren't just making it up.

Oh and the topic you didn't rebut is how you are working so hard to get Trump reelected. I mean, only an entitled trust fund white man baby will be ok no matter what Trump does. So, yeah, sit back and just help Trump get elected but at least be honest that that is what you are about. .
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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Padawanbater2 said:
Are you a capitalist?
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I'd need to know your definition of capitalism to accurately answer that.

I don't define myself as a "capitalist" and don't care for what is often defined as capitalism today, since it has baked in contradictions, "crony capitalism" etc.

I AM a fan of unimpeded free market interactions which are between willing people of their own accord. There's a pretty big difference between the two. One involves consent of the involved parties, the other does not.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
For the record, what you call "rebuttal" is:

You aren't even smart enough to get paid for it; you're a classic sucker who has been co-opted into defending the kleptocrats from people like yourself!

That ^^ contains no element of what can be called a "rebuttal" because there are no logical statements in thee, only accusations and rhetoric.

The best part comes next

That was an on topic rebuttal; one I've repeated many times

"one that I've repeated many times" LOL as if being a serial jackass is somehow better than only being a jackass once.

Most funny of all is it seems you believe your words and aren't just making it up.

Oh and the topic you didn't rebut is how you are working so hard to get Trump reelected. I mean, only an entitled trust fund white man baby will be ok no matter what Trump does. So, yeah, sit back and just help Trump get elected but at least be honest that that is what you are about. .
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Your argument is that the Democratic Party is too weak to win on its own and that everyone who opposes Trump must join it, no matter what their personal politics might be.

Your argument is weak, anti Democratic, self serving and invalid. Instead, fix the fucking party rather than trying to guilt trip people into supporting it against their better judgement.

No respect will be given to this obvious attack on any citizen's political agency.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Rob Roy said:
I'd need to know your definition of capitalism to accurately answer that.

I don't define myself as a "capitalist" and don't care for what is often defined as capitalism today, since it has baked in contradictions, "crony capitalism" etc.

I AM a fan of unimpeded free market interactions which are between willing people of their own accord. There's a pretty big difference between the two. One involves consent of the involved parties, the other does not.
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If you can't even offer your own definition of such central concepts of your political ideology, you can't expect anyone else to understand or accept your views.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
Your argument is that the Democratic Party is too weak to win on its own and that everyone who opposes Trump must join it, no matter what their personal politics might be.

Your argument is weak, anti Democratic, self serving and invalid. Instead, fix the fucking party rather than trying to guilt trip people into supporting it against their better judgement.

No respect will be given to this obvious attack on any citizen's political agency.
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Nope, not my argument at all. I get why you said it but not my argument. Somebody else's maybe but not mine.

Start over with the statement:

"Your argument is that the Democratic Party is in a close political contest with the Republican party. The propaganda that tty and his loony Cult of Sanders vents helps Republicans stay in office by suppressing the liberal and left voter".

Regarding the rest, Democrats are committed to campaign finance reform, enforcing the civil rights act, protecting women's reproductive rights, clean environment, universal access to health care, strong unions, wage fairness while Republicans are the opposite of all that. I can give no respect to a person who vents about how these policies have been trampled upon (by Republicans) in the past years but continually tears at Democrats as if Republicans don't exist.

Have I shredded your stupid post enough or must I go on?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
Nope, not my argument at all. I get why you said it but not my argument. Somebody else's maybe but not mine.

Start over with the statement:

"Your argument is that the Democratic Party is in a close political contest with the Republican party. The propaganda that tty and his loony Cult of Sanders vents helps Republicans stay in office by suppressing the liberal and left voter".

Regarding the rest, Democrats are committed to campaign finance reform, enforcing the civil rights act, protecting women's reproductive rights, clean environment, universal access to health care, strong unions, wage fairness while Republicans are the opposite of all that. I can give no respect to a person who vents about how these policies have been trampled upon (by Republicans) in the past years but continually tears at Democrats as if Republicans don't exist.

Have I shredded your stupid post enough or must I go on?
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If establishment Democrats represented the interests of the Left as well as you say they do, then explain why there's a huge Progressive movement underway in American politics?

You can't. You just don't get it. You're a camp 1 believer; that there's only a few details amiss and that most of what's happening in American politics is OK.

We Progressives are in camp 2; we've woken up to the fact that all three branches of the Federal government are hopelessly in bed with the monied interests and that it's a tiny minority of Americans and the corporations they run that are really in charge of policy.

I've posted lots of evidence to support my claims, only to watch you shit on the work of University professors and Pulitzer Prize winning journalists while spewing corporatist nonsense unsubstantiated by any actual fact or research.

You persist in calling me an outlier when both @Padawanbater2 and I have posted many polls and studies that show unequivocally that our views are not just popular but represent the majority opinion of voting Americans.

In short, you have no credibility here whatsoever- and to the extent that others on this forum share your views, they don't either.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
If establishment Democrats represented the interests of the Left as well as you say they do, then explain why there's a huge Progressive movement underway in American politics?

You can't. You just don't get it. You're a camp 1 believer; that there's only a few details amiss and that most of what's happening in American politics is OK.

We Progressives are in camp 2; we've woken up to the fact that all three branches of the Federal government are hopelessly in bed with the monied interests and that it's a tiny minority of Americans and the corporations they run that are really in charge of policy.

I've posted lots of evidence to support my claims, only to watch you shit on the work of University professors and Pulitzer Prize winning journalists while spewing corporatist nonsense unsubstantiated by any actual fact or research.

You persist in calling me an outlier when both @Padawanbater2 and I have posted many polls and studies that show unequivocally that our views are not just popular but represent the majority opinion of voting Americans.

In short, you have no credibility here whatsoever- and to the extent that others on this forum share your views, they don't either.
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Oh gawd here we go again. Semantics. Progressive as the term was coined in the 1900's meant a person who supports progress instead of radical change. There are liberal progressives and conservative progressives. I am and the Democratic party mostly are liberal progressives. We support progress towards liberal policies as opposed to radical change.

Your definition of Progressive is "socialist". Also, you can only accept your version of radical change and demand it immediately. So, no, there is not a huge "Progressive" or more accurately phrased -- radical socialist movement -- underway in America. Also, Cult of Sanders is stained with whiffs of racism and outright misogyny. So, not really radical change where it matters for about 60% of this country.

How many "Progressives" are there in Congress today and who are they? I think maybe there are six and no more than ten but couldn't name them. So who are these vanguard of your "Progressive" movement and are there enough to justify your claim of a "huge" movement?

You post propaganda and I call it out as such. I'm glad you don't like it.
 
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