GPW? Should we start focusing on GSQM instead?

[Humple]

Here's another example, lets take a 16"x16" mother tent from which we will take clones, uses 60 watts for 18 hours a day.
After conversion to metric, thats 0.16 m-2 for the mother tent
That is beside a 0.47 m-2 veg/flowering tent.
Veg period: 100 watts 18 hours per day for 6 weeks
(we shave 2 weeks off veg time by cloning instead of growing from seed, hypothetically)
Flowing period: 150 watts 12 hours per day for 8 weeks
Total energy use:
Mother = (runs concurrent to the veg+flower time which is 1764 hours) 105.84 kWh
Veg = 75.6 kWh
Flower = 100.8 kWh

Total time:
mother = 14 weeks concurrent
veg = 6 weeks
flower = 8 weeks
That equals 282.24 Kwh

Wet yield at harvest 400 grams

Total area = 0.47+0.16= 0.63

400/282.24= 1.42 grams per kWh x 0.63 = 0.89 grams per kWh per square meter.

Decidedly less efficient compared to growing from seed in my previous example, even with shaving two weeks off veg

Makes perfect sense to me. I would get to harvest faster but it is cost me more to do it because I am running an extra tent.

I'm wondering why you would use wet yield as a metric. If one grower waters straight through to harvest, and another lets the plants get really thirsty by withholding water for a few days before chopping (as many do), the comparison will be flawed.

 

[canadian1969]

I'm only going to say this one more time: You do not need clones to SOG.

Like-for-like metrics, my SOG tent will produce almost two yields for every one of yours and yield a significant amount more each time.

If you still do not understand - given the above example - why veg times don't matter to yield, then I cannot explain it to you any simpler. I'm sorry.

Cant do it can you? SOGs are usually perpetual, lets do a real world example , if you are afraid to use your own numbers or dont run perpetual, then lets do someone elses. How big a Mother cloning chamber do you need to fill a SOG flowering area of 4x4? And of course the other data wattages , run time etc.

 

[Humple]

Cant do it can you? SOGs are usually perpetual, lets do a real world example , if you are afraid to use your own numbers or dont run perpetual, then lets do someone elses. How big a Mother cloning chamber do you need to fill a SOG flowering area of 4x4? And of course the other data wattages , run time etc.

You don't consider SOG from seed a real world example? I've seen it done plenty of times.

 

[canadian1969]

I'm wondering why you would use wet yield as a metric. If one grower waters straight through to harvest, and another lets the plants get really thirsty by withholding water for a few days before chopping (as many do), the comparison will be flawed.

you could do either, I explained earlier in the thread that not everyone is going to cure the product , some will freeze or dehydrate for extractions. if you want to use completely cured final weight destined for smoking thats fine.

 

[canadian1969]

You don't consider SOG from seed a real world example? I've seen it done plenty of times.

How about you give me the numbers for your grow then, seeds whatever, not really realistic imo unless you have an unlimited supply of free seeds, but whatever.

 

[Humple]

How about you give me the numbers for your grow then, seeds whatever, not really realistic imo unless you have an unlimited supply of free seeds, but whatever.

I don't grow SOG. And plenty of dudes make their own seeds. Plenty more have no reservations about spending the money for enormous private seedbanks. That isn't me, and it seems unnecessarily expensive, but that doesn't mean it isn't a real world situation.

 

[canadian1969]

I don't grow SOG. And plenty of dudes make their own seeds. Plenty more have no reservations about spending the money for enormous private seedbanks. That isn't me, and it seems unnecessarily expensive, but that doesn't mean it isn't a real world situation.

Sure fine, give me your grow style and relevant data.

 

[Humple]

you could do either, I explained earlier in the thread that not everyone is going to cure the product , some will freeze or dehydrate for extractions. if you want to use completely cured final weight destined for smoking thats fine.

But even in that situation, the water weight must ultimately be removed from the product via processing. If you weigh it before drying, you're weighing water that won't be in the final product. Yes, if you make concentrates, the plant material will also be removed, but why not eliminate as many variables as possible if striving for a quantifiable end result? Maybe I'm missing something, but I still don't get it.

 

[Prawn Connery]

How about you give me the numbers for your grow then, seeds whatever, not really realistic imo unless you have an unlimited supply of free seeds, but whatever.

I just gave you an example - which you have chosen to ignore.

The point is, it doesn't matter whether I use clones or seeds: veg time is a product of plant numbers. With enough plants, you don't need to veg. A SOG is an example of this.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Or perhaps, in your case, it is vastly too complex to understand - no matter what example I use.

BTW, I've got more seeds in my fridge than I can grow out in your lifetime and mine combined. But that's another story.

 

[Humple]

Sure fine, give me your grow style and relevant data.

You may have me confused with someone else. I'm not looking for any better metrics, and I'm not really concerned with whether you're right or wrong - just pointing out a couple of factors that you may want to consider. I really don't need an assessment of my garden's efficiency.

 

[canadian1969]

But even in that situation, the water weight must ultimately be removed from the product via processing. If you weigh it before drying, you're weighing water that won't be in the final product. Yes, if you make concentrates, the plant material will also be removed, but why not eliminate as many variables as possible if striving for a quantifiable end result? Maybe I'm missing something, but I still don't get it.

What would you like to use?

 

[canadian1969]

I just gave you an example - which you have chosen to ignore.

The point is, it doesn't matter whether I use clones or seeds: veg time is a product of plant numbers. With enough plants, you don't need to veg. A SOG is an example of this.

It doesn't get any simpler than that.

Or perhaps, in your case, it is vastly too complex to understand - no matter what example I use.

BTW, I've got more seeds in my fridge than I can grow out in your lifetime and mine combined. But that's another story.

Okay right no prob, in your case infinite seeds, what was the area, wattage and run time and yield again?

 

[canadian1969]

I can do this forever guys, I'm retired its pissing rain out, I literally have nothing better to do. Stop bitchin out and up some data.

 

[Prawn Connery]

I'm not your mother. Go back and read what I wrote. I'm tired of repeating myself.

 

[WeedSexWeightsShakes]

Hm...still seems complicated...lmfao

 

[canadian1969]

I'm not your mother. Go back and read what I wrote. I'm tired of repeating myself.

Right, 64 seeds, flower from zero, 4x4, you didn't give me wattage or yield.
Was it 8 weeks or 14? you mentioned both.

 

[canadian1969]

Hm...still seems complicated...lmfao

Give me your numbers and grow style for your last grow. We'll see how it compares to the SOG results.

 

[WeedSexWeightsShakes]

Give me your numbers and grow style for your last grow. We'll see how it compares to the SOG results.

Last grow I remember weighing was dry but untrimmed. Don’t remember exact number but was somewhere around 2,100 grams scrog.
In a 5x5 and 2.5x4 tent.
Close to 1100 watts of lights.

 

[canadian1969]

Last grow I remember weighing was dry but untrimmed. Don’t remember exact number but was somewhere around 2,100 grams scrog.
In a 5x5 and 2.5x4 tent.
Close to 1100 watts of lights.

From seed?
veg time and wattage?
flower time?

 

[WeedSexWeightsShakes]

From seed?
veg time and wattage?
flower time?

From seed.
Veg time probably 2 1/2 months 150 watts veg 18/6
Flower time 10 weeks 12/12