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SneekyNinja

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Have you ever done anything significant? I mean something that might seem small but was something you did that affected history in a small way. Or perhaps made the lives of many people better?
He keeps calling me stupid...

He's unemployed/unemployable, is pathetic in his desperate search for a woman and seems to never contribute anything of value to anything at all.

I do highly technical work and get paid so much I just took like a quarter of the year off for vacation, yet I'm somehow the "stupid" one.

It'd be funny if he wasn't such a pathetic example of a human being.
 

ttystikk

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He keeps calling me stupid...

He's unemployed/unemployable, is pathetic in his desperate search for a woman and seems to never contribute anything of value to anything at all.

It'd be funny if he wasn't such a pathetic example of a human being.
Behold the debating skills of the Master's degree! Changing the subject, personal attacks, ignorance.

Yeah, Stinkydigit, that'll get you an A in debate.

:roll:
 

SneekyNinja

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Behold the debating skills of the Master's degree! Changing the subject, personal attacks, ignorance.

Yeah, Stinkydigit, that'll get you an A in debate.

:roll:
Lol, this is a debate?

You literally just called me stupid, even though it's plainly obvious that you're the moronic one, DogKennel.

Maybe she's born with it, maybe she forced Tty to buy it for her for sex, lol
 

SneekyNinja

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You definitely should get your money back.
Or I could keep using them to earn thousands of dollars per week...

Infact I don't even need them anymore, I've so much experience that I've probably obsoleted my academic qualifications.

What do you do? Sit around jerking it to blog posts and ugly haggard women on grow sites, who actually charges you for sex, lol.
 

see4

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You believe an elite group of people know what's best for voters. Democrats won't spend money on candidates democratic elites deem weak.

#MCdemocracy
Forgetting the nature of your meltdown here, lets look at your statement at face value.

Your label, "elite group", is to mean donors, those who fund the campaigns, yes?

If you were an employer, and you had an employee that wasn't working out, would you continue to pay them?

I realize these are tough trick questions for you. I assure you, they aren't, but please for the sake of [non]conversation, let them be rhetorical.
 

Fogdog

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Look who's talking, Stinkydigit
Behold the debating skills of the Master's degree! Changing the subject, personal attacks, ignorance.

Yeah, Stinkydigit, that'll get you an A in debate.

:roll:
You definitely should get your money back.
tty, Have you ever done anything significant? Something that affected many people's lives in a good way? Or better yet done something that even in a small way affected the course of history?

Raising a child who is well adjusted and happy would count . But I know that you are an absent father so you fail there.

I've asked you this question before but you've consistently dodged this question, so I'll assume you haven't. At least you are honest about yourself. I'll grant you that.

What I'm getting at is most people have done something significant but I don't think you have. You've done nothing in the real world. Your histrionic rants on RIU are full of an unjustified self confidence. What you say here has the same significance that your useless unaccomplished life has had in the real world.
 
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Fogdog

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He keeps calling me stupid...

He's unemployed/unemployable, is pathetic in his desperate search for a woman and seems to never contribute anything of value to anything at all.

I do highly technical work and get paid so much I just took like a quarter of the year off for vacation, yet I'm somehow the "stupid" one.

It'd be funny if he wasn't such a pathetic example of a human being.
From what people say, he's over fifty years old, he lives alone in a cluttered mess and grows mediocre weed. He's never done anything of consequence, never held a good job, never made a difference in the many causes he rants on about. His child is growing up without the influence of a loving father and he can't maintain a long term healthy relationship. Yet he comes onto this forum and posts idiotic proclamations, propaganda and false conspiracy theories with utter confidence in the rightness of his words..

A lot of the people he regularly goes off on in this forum are people who HAVE been validated by successfully making their way in the world and doing things of significance. People that will leave a lasting mark on the world. When we propose alternative ideas or explain our reasons why we think he's wrong he calls us names and goes into histrionic rants.

Calling tty a pathetic example of a human being is an insult to pathetic examples of human beings.
 
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schuylaar

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I'll give you a chance to defend this Tillemann guy. What makes him the better candidate over Jason Crow? I mean, policies, programs, experience, why is he better?
What would it matter?..’a decision was made’..by Chucky The Shoe and Nora Desmond.
 
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Unclebaldrick

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tty, Have you ever done anything significant? Something that affected many people's lives in a good way? Or better yet done something that even in a small way affected the course of history?

Raising a child who is well adjusted and happy would count . But I know that you are an absent father so you fail there.

I've asked you this question before but you've consistently dodged this question, so I'll assume you haven't. At least you are honest about yourself. I'll grant you that.

What I'm getting at is most people have done something significant but I don't think you have. You've done nothing in the real world. Your histrionic rants on RIU are full of an unjustified self confidence. What you say here has the same significance that your useless unaccomplished life has had in the real world.
He's working on it. He finally has a chance to organize other Progressives to do Putin's bidding. Putin made him feel smart, important and pretty.
 

Fogdog

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There are none and wouldn’t matter if there were..’a decision was made’..by Chucky The Shoe.
I've poked about looking for an explanation for why you Progressives are so hot over Tillemann and can't find much of anything that is independent of his campaign. Same goes for Crow. I will say that Tillemann comes across as self entitled bitch and I'm referring to his own words, not what is said in the media. Pretty much the media play it up as a horse race and not a political contest.

I'll stand by what I said. The DCCC is headed by successful and experienced politicians who say Crow is the better candidate. You Progressives know nothing but are all apoplectic about successful and experienced politicians deciding to put the resources that they control at Crow's disposal and have bluntly told Tillemann that he's not good enough.

That's politics. Instead of gleefully and cheerfully running AS the anti-establishment candidate, he's bitching that he doesn't get access to the teat. He can't have it both ways. Run AS the antiestablishment candidate because that's who he is.

Oh and Tillemann got about 35% of the assembly vote while Crow got 65%. Crow polls well in a hypothetical race against Coffman

Tillemann is runing on Bernie's hapless and unpopular healthcare plan. He's got no chance of beating a Republican in that district. As soon as people hear they would be forced to leave the healthcare plan they like and moved into Medicare, that would be the end of it.

Are you OK with Republicans continuing to hold the House after 2018 as long as we run your brand of Progressives?
 

Fogdog

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He's working on it. He finally has a chance to organize other Progressives to do Putin's bidding. Putin made him feel smart, important and pretty.
I did say "make a positive difference to many people".

That wouldn't qualify, would it?
 

Padawanbater2

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You denied the favoritism from the Democratic establishment in 2016 when they were tipping the scales for Clinton against Sanders during the Democratic primary. Up until it was undeniable. After proof was provided, you switched gears saying they had the right to choose whoever they wanted to as an independent political organization, obstructing democracy.

Curious why you would deny party elite collusion took place at first, then after it was proven, you accepted it as if it's just normal, the way it goes.. You switched positions because you knew you could no longer legitimately deny it.

Why deny it took place at first if you don't actually believe it to be wrong?

Now you're all good with party elites picking and choosing who to run in the general subverting actual democracy and letting voters choose. To be sure, the party elites like Hoyer aren't choosing which candidates they believe are the strongest to defeat Republicans, if that were the case, they would have backed Sanders in the 2016 general election instead of Clinton as he consistently polled +10pts above Trump leading up to November. The Democratic establishment is backing establishment candidates over actual progressives because if an actual progressive wins, it limits their ability to control the legislation that keeps them in power. They would rather lose districts to Republicans than have an actual progressive win.

When it comes to people like you, who claim to be progressive and support things like universal healthcare, it's suspect that you would support this strategy when it's already been proven to fail. You say your goal is to keep Democrats in control, yet the political strategy you ascribe to has been a proven failure for the past 8 years and has ensured more Republicans get elected to office over Democrats. Hoyer isn't pressuring Tilleman to vacate the race because he believes Crow is the better candidate, he's pressuring him to vacate the race because he knows if his views are actually implemented, the establishment would lose control of their hold on our government. He knows his views are popular, especially in a place like Colorado. Universal healthcare is even supported by a plurality of Republicans, not to mention 85% of Democrats. Yet establishment Dems like Hoyer, Pelosi, and Feinstein oppose it. 63% of Americans support legalizing marijuana, Feinstein finally came out this week in support of CA policy after being pushed to the left by Alison Hartson and Kevin de León. Corporate Dems like Booker and Gillibrand have signed onto universal healthcare after being pushed to the left by Bernie Sanders, and have even publicly stated they're going to stop accepting corporate PAC money. All of these people know they can't win the progressive vote in 2018 or 2020 if they don't support these positions. Including the OP of this thread, these are signs the message of "TRUMP BAD!" isn't working. You can't just be against Trump, you have to offer something alternative that voters support. Turns out, voters support things that benefit them, like universal healthcare, ending the wars, investing in science, education, and protecting the environment. They respect things like the institution of the rule of law and checks and balances.

So if the blue wave happens in 2018 and Democrats win back control of congress, what happens next will depend on the way they choose to govern. Worst case scenario for you is if they win big, super majorities. If that happens, the establishment Democrats will be exposed when they vote against progressive legislation. If they choose to do nothing with it, Republicans will inevitably win back control the next cycle and the political pendulum will continue to swing. Democrats keep control of congress like they did for the better part of half a century during the 1900s by supporting working class economic interests.
 

Fogdog

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You denied the favoritism from the Democratic establishment in 2016 when they were tipping the scales for Clinton against Sanders during the Democratic primary. Up until it was undeniable. After proof was provided, you switched gears saying they had the right to choose whoever they wanted to as an independent political organization, obstructing democracy.

Curious why you would deny party elite collusion took place at first, then after it was proven, you accepted it as if it's just normal, the way it goes.. You switched positions because you knew you could no longer legitimately deny it.

Why deny it took place at first if you don't actually believe it to be wrong?

Now you're all good with party elites picking and choosing who to run in the general subverting actual democracy and letting voters choose. To be sure, the party elites like Hoyer aren't choosing which candidates they believe are the strongest to defeat Republicans, if that were the case, they would have backed Sanders in the 2016 general election instead of Clinton as he consistently polled +10pts above Trump leading up to November. The Democratic establishment is backing establishment candidates over actual progressives because if an actual progressive wins, it limits their ability to control the legislation that keeps them in power. They would rather lose districts to Republicans than have an actual progressive win.

When it comes to people like you, who claim to be progressive and support things like universal healthcare, it's suspect that you would support this strategy when it's already been proven to fail. You say your goal is to keep Democrats in control, yet the political strategy you ascribe to has been a proven failure for the past 8 years and has ensured more Republicans get elected to office over Democrats. Hoyer isn't pressuring Tilleman to vacate the race because he believes Crow is the better candidate, he's pressuring him to vacate the race because he knows if his views are actually implemented, the establishment would lose control of their hold on our government. He knows his views are popular, especially in a place like Colorado. Universal healthcare is even supported by a plurality of Republicans, not to mention 85% of Democrats. Yet establishment Dems like Hoyer, Pelosi, and Feinstein oppose it. 63% of Americans support legalizing marijuana, Feinstein finally came out this week in support of CA policy after being pushed to the left by Alison Hartson and Kevin de León. Corporate Dems like Booker and Gillibrand have signed onto universal healthcare after being pushed to the left by Bernie Sanders, and have even publicly stated they're going to stop accepting corporate PAC money. All of these people know they can't win the progressive vote in 2018 or 2020 if they don't support these positions. Including the OP of this thread, these are signs the message of "TRUMP BAD!" isn't working. You can't just be against Trump, you have to offer something alternative that voters support. Turns out, voters support things that benefit them, like universal healthcare, ending the wars, investing in science, education, and protecting the environment. They respect things like the institution of the rule of law and checks and balances.

So if the blue wave happens in 2018 and Democrats win back control of congress, what happens next will depend on the way they choose to govern. Worst case scenario for you is if they win big, super majorities. If that happens, the establishment Democrats will be exposed when they vote against progressive legislation. If they choose to do nothing with it, Republicans will inevitably win back control the next cycle and the political pendulum will continue to swing. Democrats keep control of congress like they did for the better part of half a century during the 1900s by supporting working class economic interests.
Democrats are going to win the House or it looks good that they will. The Senate is a different matter. Without a filibuster-proof majority in the senate they won't be able to send bills to Trump so that he can veto it. Until Congress is under control by a fillibuster -proof Democratic party caucus and a Democratic Party President is in the WH, it will be a standoff.

I can predict quite confidently that you will claim Democrats are corruptly allowing that to happen. Derp

Democrats have already been winning on policies that are important to local districts AND are aligned with Democratic Party values such as universal access to healthcare, pro-labor, pro-environment AND successful candidates are working with experienced Democratic Party Congressmen to win those elections.

What is going on with so-called Progressives who haven't done a single thing of significance? They whine about the hated establishment yet demand the establishment funds their campaigns.

"Hoyer isn't pressuring Tilleman to vacate the race because he believes Crow is the better candidate"


You keep talking as if you can read people's minds. You can't and your statement I quoted above is contrary to what he said. The paranoid little missive you wrote about some conspiracy is just more of the same. Come up with some verifiable facts and you might be taken seriously some time.

You haven't answered my question: What's so great about Tillemann that the Progressives are hot about him?

Talk about a whiny bitch, The Sierra Club chose to back Crow and Tillemann said they had been bought. We will no longer be able to use the term Progressive to describe a liberal who supports social progress after you idiots have made the term to mean inept and whining loser.
 
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schuylaar

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Have you ever done anything significant? I mean something that might seem small but was something you did that affected history in a small way. Or perhaps made the lives of many people better?
Have you?

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