CNN contributor Bakari Sellers: ‘Bernie 2020 died 4/4/18’

[Fogdog]

I'm not interested in talking to a child about politics. It's a waste of time. The issues are what matter to me, all you ever talk about are distractions from the issues because you lose when it comes to actual policy.

Hey Pad, go watch a Jimmy Dore video for a pep talk.

Lol. Tty tactics.

Sorry, you got beat. Maybe you need a new font or something.

he's sulking.

Bernie screwed the pooch and pad has put all his hopes on the Bern. Bernie showed himself to be who he is. Always and outsider who is good at criticizing but not good at bringing people together. Pleasing the crowd is a talent that Bernie doesn't have. He's not a good leader for the party or the nation.

It doesn't help that the whole Bernie phenomenon was built upon false beliefs in what the Democratic party or who Bernie are.

 

[Padawanbater2]

"Not good at bringing people together. Pleasing the crowd is a talent that Bernie doesn't have."?...

You are delusional

 

[UncleBuck]

"Not good at bringing people together. Pleasing the crowd is a talent that Bernie doesn't have."?...

You are delusional

showing pictures of bernie talking to the crowds at hillary's nomination convention?

goddamn

 

[Unclebaldrick]

showing pictures of bernie talking to the crowds at hillary's nomination convention?

goddamn

Ikr?

 

[Fogdog]

"Not good at bringing people together. Pleasing the crowd is a talent that Bernie doesn't have."?...

You are delusional

Clinton, who wasn't great at bringing people together either had 3.2 million more people vote for her than Bernie did. Those 3.2 million would fill about 35 of those stadiums. Too funny that you would insist that Bernie is some sort of charismatic person. He's not. The only group in which Bernie gained a majority of the Democratic vote was white men. 80% of black voters and 70% of Hispanic voters chose Clinton, not Bernie.

Why do you continue to deny that Obama was very popular, especially among black people? Bernie is entitled to criticize him but he has to expect backlash from people who don't see Obama in the same way -- this represents a large majority of Democrats. A good politician brings people together by focusing on common interests. This is not to deny that Democrats lost ground during the years of Obama and Hillary Clinton's leadership. I'm just saying that Bernie's speech in Jackson MI on Wednesday needn't have even mentioned that. Instead, if he stayed positive and talked about the good his policies can provide he would not have alienated the black vote like he did. Bernie's speech was divisive, and not one to inspire harmony. He's just not a good leader for the Democratic Party or the US.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Clinton, who wasn't great at bringing people together either had 3.2 million more people vote for her than Bernie did. Those 3.2 million would fill about 35 of those stadiums. Too funny that you would insist that Bernie is some sort of charismatic person. He's not. The only group in which Bernie gained a majority of the Democratic vote was white men. 80% of black voters and 70% of Hispanic voters chose Clinton, not Bernie.

Why do you continue to deny that Obama was very popular, especially among black people. Bernie is entitled to criticize him but he has to expect backlash from people who don't see Obama in the same way -- this represents a large majority of Democrats. A good politician brings people together by focusing on common interests. This is not to deny that Democrats lost ground during the years of Obama and Hillary Clinton's leadership. I'm just saying that Bernie's speech in Jackson MI on Wednesday needn't have even mentioned that. Instead, if he stayed positive and talked about the good his policies can provide he would not have alienated the black vote like he did. Bernie's speech was divisive, and not one to inspire harmony. He's just not a good leader for the Democratic Party or the US.

Sanders didn't criticize Obama. He criticized the objectively failed political strategy of the Democratic party

 

[Unclebaldrick]

Clinton, who wasn't great at bringing people together either had 3.2 million more people vote for her than Bernie did. Those 3.2 million would fill about 35 of those stadiums. Too funny that you would insist that Bernie is some sort of charismatic person. He's not. The only group in which Bernie gained a majority of the Democratic vote was white men. 80% of black voters and 70% of Hispanic voters chose Clinton, not Bernie.

Why do you continue to deny that Obama was very popular, especially among black people? Bernie is entitled to criticize him but he has to expect backlash from people who don't see Obama in the same way -- this represents a large majority of Democrats. A good politician brings people together by focusing on common interests. This is not to deny that Democrats lost ground during the years of Obama and Hillary Clinton's leadership. I'm just saying that Bernie's speech in Jackson MI on Wednesday needn't have even mentioned that. Instead, if he stayed positive and talked about the good his policies can provide he would not have alienated the black vote like he did. Bernie's speech was divisive, and not one to inspire harmony. He's just not a good leader for the Democratic Party or the US.

Who are you FOR?!!

 

[Fogdog]

Sanders didn't criticize Obama. He criticized the objectively failed political strategy of the Democratic party

I'm not the only one who says he criticized Obama. One of your blind spots is you don't read pieces from people whose opinions are counter to yours. Not objectively. Go out and objectively read analysis from black people about his speech in Jackson MI on Wednesday.

This article contains plenty of quotes from people who say the same as I.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/bernie-sanders-revolution-needs-black-voters-to-win-but-can?utm_term=.xvLxgG4z9#.jmvG6ApEY

Try to read it with an objective view. You don't have to agree with them but at least recognize that they are explaining their own viewpoint and beliefs.

Sanders cannot win by alienating the black vote. Regardless of what you believe, Sanders alienated black voters with what he needlessly said on Wednesday at that town hall meeting. If he doesn't do something to change his own behavior, Sanders cannot win the Democratic party's nomination.

 

[Fogdog]

Who are you FOR?!!

A Democratic politician who is sufficient.

 

[abandonconflict]

Sanders didn't criticize Obama.

He blamed the first black president for what he described as fifteen years of failure and he did it in front of a mostly African American crowd at an event in honor of the greatest black civil rights leader. He is basically Ron Paul now.

 

[captainmorgan]

"Not good at bringing people together. Pleasing the crowd is a talent that Bernie doesn't have."?...

You are delusional

Bernie talking to a sea of white people, not the best example of Bernie connecting with people of color lol.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Bernie talking to a sea of white people, not the best example of Bernie connecting with people of color lol.

The argument was that Sanders was not good at bringing people together when in fact he was the one who brought the most people together. Now you've chosen to shift the goal posts to "people of color", well...

He brings them together, too. Sanders has a 100% rating from the NAACP, indicating a strong stance on racial justice. He has a 95% rating from the ACLU, indicating a strong stance on social justice. He has a higher approval rating among African Americans than any other racial demographic, his approval among white people comes in at around 52%;

The one and only metric critics can point to to try to justify the claim that Sanders doesn't do well among African Americans and minorities, despite all the contradicting evidence, is the 2016 Democratic primary election where Clinton received more votes from African Americans than Sanders. Critics dishonestly ask why didn't African Americans vote for Sanders over Clinton if they support him so much? The answer is pretty simple; Clinton had high name recognition among African Americans prior to the election because her husband was popular within the black community. Sanders was a virtual ghost within the African American community prior to 2016.

That's not the case anymore.. Sanders is widely known and respected among the majority of the African American community, now, as his poll numbers reflect.

So it's pretty sad to see people who claim they want to implement progressive positions in government shit on the strongest candidate who can actually accomplish that. Compounded by sleazy, half thought out arguments that imply Sanders is racist after having spent a lifetime fighting against racism, to the extent of putting himself and his own freedom on the line and being arrested for it. Anyone who pushes this narrative created out of spite is further harming the progressive agenda thereby further damaging our democracy. They will justifiably be held with the same contempt as Republicans who wish to damage our democracy.

 

[UncleBuck]

The argument was that Sanders was not good at bringing people together when in fact he was the one who brought the most people together. Now you've chosen to shift the goal posts to "people of color", well...

He brings them together, too. Sanders has a 100% rating from the NAACP, indicating a strong stance on racial justice. He has a 95% rating from the ACLU, indicating a strong stance on social justice. He has a higher approval rating among African Americans than any other racial demographic, his approval among white people comes in at around 52%;

The one and only metric critics can point to to try to justify the claim that Sanders doesn't do well among African Americans and minorities, despite all the contradicting evidence, is the 2016 Democratic primary election where Clinton received more votes from African Americans than Sanders. Critics dishonestly ask why didn't African Americans vote for Sanders over Clinton if they support him so much? The answer is pretty simple; Clinton had high name recognition among African Americans prior to the election because her husband was popular within the black community. Sanders was a virtual ghost within the African American community prior to 2016.

That's not the case anymore.. Sanders is widely known and respected among the majority of the African American community, now, as his poll numbers reflect.

So it's pretty sad to see people who claim they want to implement progressive positions in government shit on the strongest candidate who can actually accomplish that. Compounded by sleazy, half thought out arguments that imply Sanders is racist after having spent a lifetime fighting against racism, to the extent of putting himself and his own freedom on the line and being arrested for it. Anyone who pushes this narrative created out of spite is further harming the progressive agenda thereby further damaging our democracy. They will justifiably be held with the same contempt as Republicans who wish to damage our democracy.

hillary clinton brought the most people together, see her vote totals

 

[Fogdog]

The argument was that Sanders was not good at bringing people together when in fact he was the one who brought the most people together. Now you've chosen to shift the goal posts to "people of color", well...

He brings them together, too. Sanders has a 100% rating from the NAACP, indicating a strong stance on racial justice. He has a 95% rating from the ACLU, indicating a strong stance on social justice. He has a higher approval rating among African Americans than any other racial demographic, his approval among white people comes in at around 52%;

The one and only metric critics can point to to try to justify the claim that Sanders doesn't do well among African Americans and minorities, despite all the contradicting evidence, is the 2016 Democratic primary election where Clinton received more votes from African Americans than Sanders. Critics dishonestly ask why didn't African Americans vote for Sanders over Clinton if they support him so much? The answer is pretty simple; Clinton had high name recognition among African Americans prior to the election because her husband was popular within the black community. Sanders was a virtual ghost within the African American community prior to 2016.

That's not the case anymore.. Sanders is widely known and respected among the majority of the African American community, now, as his poll numbers reflect.

So it's pretty sad to see people who claim they want to implement progressive positions in government shit on the strongest candidate who can actually accomplish that. Compounded by sleazy, half thought out arguments that imply Sanders is racist after having spent a lifetime fighting against racism, to the extent of putting himself and his own freedom on the line and being arrested for it. Anyone who pushes this narrative created out of spite is further harming the progressive agenda thereby further damaging our democracy. They will justifiably be held with the same contempt as Republicans who wish to damage our democracy.

That poll you posted is a year old. In any case, opinion polls are terrible predictors of how people will vote.

Bernie screwed the pooch last week. He confirmed all over again to those who didn't vote for him why he wasn't chosen for the nomination in 2016 and what they can expect from him in 2020..

So, back to your theory that Clinton had high name recognition and so the stupid blacks voted for her instead to whom you claim should have won. Name recognition. If that's the reason that explains why stupid blacks voted for Clinton, are you saying that white men aren't stupid like those blacks? Also, let's not forget, the majority of Mexicans and women also didn't vote for Sanders. So, they are all dumb too. Not white men, they are better informed and more rational than everybody else, I guess. Dude, your excuse reeks of white male entitlement.

You look for excuses when the facts are in front of you. The reason Sanders did not poll well in 2016 and won't poll well in 2020 is right in front of you in the recording of Sanders performance on 4/4/18, when his campaign died.

 

[Fogdog]

This is a picture of the two women from Black Lives Matter who crashed his campaign rally because they felt Bernie's campaign was ignoring their issues.

Sanders did the right thing and let them talk. Why one might ask why where their requests to speak at his rally ignored in the first place?

 

[Padawanbater2]

Bernie Sanders in the Deep South

"Twitter erupted immediately, and critics, like former South Carolina representative Bakari Sellers, accused Sanders of “arrogance” and of “dismissing” President Obama. But Thursday’s critiques were only loosely tethered to Wednesday’s words, which, on their face, were fairly uncontroversial: Who could defend as successful the “almost unprecedented” loss of legislative seats over the last ten years, or Hillary Clinton’s defeat to game-show host Donald Trump? In Mississippi, when Sanders called the Democratic Party a “failure,” the audience erupted into applause. And of course, President Obama was a uniquely charismatic and brilliant president.

In fact, if Beale Street could talk, it would tell a very different story about Bernie Sanders than the now-familiar critique that he is insufficiently sensitive to racial issues. As I walked with Sanders down Memphis’s famous thoroughfare, his popularity, including among the predominantly black crowd attending the commemorative festivities, was self-evident. The senator was stopped every few feet by selfie-seekers and admirers. Yes: Perhaps this is to be expected of any politician with a national profile, but given his poor showing in Mississippi during the 2016 Democratic primary, in which he secured less than 17 percent of the black vote, I had thought the senator and his small cohort might go unnoticed. I was wrong.

A group of 40-something black women were among the first to spot the senator as he exited a parking garage, followed quickly by a black teenager, who endearingly apologized repeatedly to “Mr. Sanders” as he snapped a selfie. Later, at a hotel in Jackson, Mississippi, two black receptionists chatted substantively about the senator after he went upstairs to change for the evening’s event, remarking that Sanders hadn’t forgotten the people who had voted for him — the people he was fighting for. Unlike other politicians, they agreed, “Bernie hasn’t proven himself to be that way yet.”"

NYMag

 

[londonfog]

showing pictures of bernie talking to the crowds at hillary's nomination convention?

goddamn

LOL
WTF is wrong with these Berntards

 

[Padawanbater2]

Bernie Sanders in the Deep South

Last week, I joined Bernie Sanders in Memphis, Tennessee, and Jackson, Mississippi, to commemorate the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination. Sanders was overwhelmingly well received by both passersby and the local audiences who came to hear him speak. But so far, the media coverage of his trip has revolved around a brief aside, in which Sanders faulted the Democratic Party for its recent legislative failures:

“The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure,” said Sanders. “People sometimes don’t see that because there was a charismatic individual named Barack Obama. He was obviously an extraordinary candidate, brilliant guy. But behind that reality, over the last ten years, Democrats have lost about 1,000 seats in state legislatures all across this country.”

But Thursday’s critiques were only loosely tethered to Wednesday’s words, which, on their face, were fairly uncontroversial: Who could defend as successful the “almost unprecedented” loss of legislative seats over the last ten years, or Hillary Clinton’s defeat to game-show host Donald Trump? In Mississippi, when Sanders called the Democratic Party a “failure,” the audience erupted into applause.

In fact, if Beale Street could talk, it would tell a very different story about Bernie Sanders than the now-familiar critique that he is insufficiently sensitive to racial issues. As I walked with Sanders down Memphis’s famous thoroughfare, his popularity, including among the predominantly black crowd attending the commemorative festivities, was self-evident. The senator was stopped every few feet by selfie-seekers and admirers. Yes: Perhaps this is to be expected of any politician with a national profile, but given his poor showing in Mississippi during the 2016 Democratic primary, in which he secured less than 17 percent of the black vote, I had thought the senator and his small cohort might go unnoticed. I was wrong.

Later, at a hotel in Jackson, Mississippi, two black receptionists chatted substantively about the senator after he went upstairs to change for the evening’s event, remarking that Sanders hadn’t forgotten the people who had voted for him — the people he was fighting for. Unlike other politicians, they agreed, “Bernie hasn’t proven himself to be that way yet.”

So I asked Sanders what he thought about critics who say he seems to care more about white voters than people of color. “It’s just not true,” he said. Sanders explained that he believes his agenda, which includes Medicare for All and free public education, will have an especially “profound and positive” effect on communities of color. And he’s right: Blacks and Latinos are, respectively, two and three times more likely to be uninsured than whites. And although black Americans are about as likely to enroll in college at a higher rate than any other racial group, we are less likely to matriculate — in part due to difficulty paying for college.

“Having said that,” he continued, “is racism a very significant and powerful force in American society that has got to be addressed? The answer is absolutely. Will a Medicare for All or single-payer system end racism in America? No, it won’t. So above and beyond moving forward on strong national programs, we’ve got to pay a special attention to communities of color, which are especially hurting right now.”

Sanders went on to cite the racial wealth gap, the disproportionate incarceration of black Americans, and the unequal public education system which plagues many low-income communities. “So it’s not either/or,” he explained, rejecting the race versus class framing that has become popular since the 2016 presidential election. “It’s never either/or. It’s both.” He continued: “It is making sure every American has high quality health care as a right — the right to excellent education. But it is also addressing the special problem of racism, of sexism, of homophobia, etc.”

When I asked for examples of identity-specific problems that cannot be resolved by class-based initiatives, Senator Sanders identified the need to improve access to homeownership, which plays a key role in the racial wealth gap, as well police reform. He specifically praised the work of Philadelphia’s progressive district attorney Larry Krasner, who now requires that incarceration costs be stated on the record at sentencing. And he emphasized the need for police reform: “What we have got to do is have national police training which says that lethal force is the last response and not the first response.”

King’s economic message — “True compassion is more than flinging a coin to a beggar; it comes to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring” — hung over the discussion both literally and figuratively, and the panel opened with a chorus of young black students demanding, “What does economic justice look like on southern soil?”

During the discussion, it was difficult to ignore the parallels between late-period King’s focus on economic equality and Sanders’s own priorities: “You have to appreciate that while [King] was [challenging President Johnson on the Vietnam War], suddenly the money for his organization starts drying up,” Sanders said. “And then in the midst of this … he said, we gotta attack racism in all its forms, but we have to deal with economic justice. I’m gonna to organize, he says, a poor people’s march – a poor people’s campaign. We’re gonna march on Washington. We’re gonna have low-income African-Americans, low-income whites, low-income Latinos, low-income Native Americans, we’re gonna stand together to demand that the United States change its national priorities — man, what courage that was.”

But few, if any, Democratic politicians have paid much attention, much less a personal visit, to the struggling state – despite the fact that, in addition to being red, Mississippi is also blackest state in the union, with a population that is 37 percent African-American.

But in order to ensure that black voters turn out, Sanders understands that people need something to vote for, not just someone to vote against. They need to feel heard.

Mayor Lumumba’s closing remarks at the panel reinforced the theme that identity alone is not enough: “There was a time,” he explained, “where our fight was to get leadership that looked like us. Now our mission must be to have leadership that thinks like us.”

Framed this way, Sanders’s frequent focus on universal programs seems less an evasion of our nation’s obligation to remedy the harms it has inflicted on marginalized groups, and more an effort to provide the redistributive remedies people of color have long demanded."

 

[UncleBuck]

Bernie Sanders in the Deep South

sanders said the south "skewed" the primary results

 

[abandonconflict]

Framed this way, Sanders’s frequent focus on universal programs seems less an evasion of our nation’s obligation to remedy the harms it has inflicted on marginalized groups, and more an effort to provide the redistributive remedies people of color have long demanded."

Framed realistically though, he just doesn't want to address inequality at all.