Roger A. Shrubber
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HEY! hands off the tooth fairy, some things aren't open for debate.
is religion merely an unproven theory, in particular the christian faith
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Bugeye
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No doubt! That money didn't appear out of thin air. Somebody put it there. Totally plausible.
Beefbisquit
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Disagree. The bible isn't evidence that anything in the bible happened anymore than a spider-man comic is proof that anything in the comic happened.
There's never been a christian alive that's actually lived like Jesus, because it's not possible. I'm not sure where you're getting these two types of faith from though... Faith is belief without evidence, it doesn't change from instance to instance.
What people? The people in the bible? lol
Science is demonstrable. We can use science to test the validity of the world around us. You cannot do that with the bible, or faith.
thepenofareadywriter
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I talking about religious people...So how did this jesus live? and why couldn't they live like him...And once again, faith, biblically speaking is NOT belief without evidence! lol... you actually sound like one those christians that's always got an excuse for their lack of belief, the so called word of faith.
Beefbisquit
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Are you talking about Jesus the real person that may or may not have existed, or Jesus the mythological person?
Faith, biblically speaking, as in what it takes to believe in the bible, is absolutely faith without evidence. If you mean the people IN the story, yeah I guess they didn't need faith because they could see the miracles happening. It'd be the same as a bystander on the sidewalk in a comic book; they can see the superheroes fighting crime, they don't need faith that "spidey" exists.
thepenofareadywriter
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I am talking about the jesus that christians profess
no that is not true!
Mat 8:7 And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this man, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it.
Mat 8:10 When Jesus heard it, he marvelled, and said to them that followed, Verily I say unto you, I have not found so great faith, no, not in Israel.
Mat 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mat 9:20 And, behold, a woman, which was diseased with an issue of blood twelve years, came behind him, and touched the hem of his garment:
Mat 9:21 For she said within herself, If I may but touch his garment, I shall be whole.
Mat 9:22 But Jesus turned him about, and when he saw her, he said, Daughter, be of good comfort; thy faith hath made thee whole. And the woman was made whole from that hour.
MY WHOLE POINT IS THAT...if people are going to preach the bible pay attention to what it says...there are way to many verses that contradict what they preach...If you say you follow jesus, then according to the book [bible] you would have to have go into the wilderness for 40 days without food because according to the book that is what he did, if you didn't follow him to the wilderness fast for 40 days then you didn't follow him...It would be like he turned left but you went right...So as I said in the beginning has anyone ever put the book to test I say no...Is the book true I don't know I have never tested it...not yet anyway,...oh and sorry for all the colors thought maybe it might be easier to read
Beefbisquit
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Which one? Every denomination has a different idea of what Jesus is or represents.
Explain yourself.
There is no physical evidence for anything that happened in the bible, the only thing there is to go on is fables and wives tails passed on for generations orally before they were even written down. Then you have to take into account that the bible was re-written countless times, edited, culled, etc. There's nothing that can be called 'factual', or at least nothing that can be verified as true. Therefore, you need faith to believe what it says.
Anyone who has any wealth isn't going to heaven according to Jesus. - So, give away your wealth or you'll never get to heaven.
Jesus also said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." - AKA the old testament still counts, AKA, no shellfish, cotton blends, working on the sabbath, etc., etc.
He also said, "But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father in heaven. Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn ‘A man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law."
What's your point? I can quote all kinds of stuff Jesus said that contradicts the "holier-than-thou non-violent" version of Jesus people hold.
There's a difference between following Jesus in an ideological sense, and following Jesus in a literal sense.I am not aware where it says you have to do the exact same things as Jesus in order to follow him, and I've read the bible front to back multiple times.
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whitebb2727
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I'm sure that's true. I've seen it with my own eyes. On the other hand, the church I was raised in was full of college educated people. From lawyers to doctors. Go figure.
Myself. I believe in God. I don't subscribe to organized religion anymore. I've seen some aweful things church people have done.
I believe in science. I believe that the earth is millions of years old. I believe it possible for evolution as well. I know that may be blasphemy. Adam and eve were ignorant. Had no knowledge. Didn't even know they were naked. We were more animal like in the beginning. There were giants back then as well. Dinosaurs? Neanderthals? Sure.
whitebb2727
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I will say that I've seen certain denominations say dinosaurs weren't real. That baffles me.
thepenofareadywriter
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all of them claim the word of faith thing
thepenofareadywriter
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their belief in the book is not the faith...the fact that they read it is the evidence of their belief, the evidence is the faith!
Roger A. Shrubber
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the Merriam-Webster definition of faith...
Definition of faith
plural faiths play \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāt͟hz\
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
(2) : sincerity of intentions
(2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
: without question
or did you just want to quibble about semantics the whole thread?
Definition of faith
plural faiths play \ˈfāths, sometimes ˈfāt͟hz\
1 a : allegiance to duty or a person : loyalty
- lost faith in the company's president
(2) : sincerity of intentions
- acted in good faith
(2) : belief in the traditional doctrines of a religion
b (1) : firm belief in something for which there is no proof
- clinging to the faith that her missing son would one day return
3 : something that is believed especially with strong conviction; especially : a system of religious beliefs
- the Protestant faith
: without question
- took everything he said on faith
or did you just want to quibble about semantics the whole thread?
Roger A. Shrubber
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the reason jesus could fast for 40 days is that he had divine support, you go try to fast for 40 days and see what happens to you. "following" a leader isn't fucking simon says, you don't have to emulate their every act.
you follow their examples, and when they do something extraordinary, that doesn't mean it's a challenge for you to try to do it too, its something that should inspire you to try harder, to reach farther.
i don't think the bible is a work of nonfiction. i think it is and always has been a book of lessons and parables, written by many people at different times, and i'm sure many of them had good intentions, but anything can be subverted by unethical leaders
thepenofareadywriter
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I am talking about the bible definition...
Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of thin
thepenofareadywriter
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Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
Roger A. Shrubber
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so am i....believing in something with no proof of it is THE definition of biblical faith. you can argue anything you want, but you're wrong if you don't agree. you can call it strength, but where does the strength come from? the belief in something you have no proof of.
thats the whole point of religion, believing in something you'll never see till you die (and probably not then, either)....that's what faith is in the religious sense.
thats the whole point of religion, believing in something you'll never see till you die (and probably not then, either)....that's what faith is in the religious sense.
thepenofareadywriter
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Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
[1] substance is the real physical matter of which a person or thing consists and which has tangible,solid presence. [2] hope is a desire or wish for something to happen or be the case. [3] evidence is a piece of information that supports a conclusion also we must remember that Heb. 11:1 is NOT MY definition, but a verse from the book telling the readers what faith is.
[1] substance is the real physical matter of which a person or thing consists and which has tangible,solid presence. [2] hope is a desire or wish for something to happen or be the case. [3] evidence is a piece of information that supports a conclusion also we must remember that Heb. 11:1 is NOT MY definition, but a verse from the book telling the readers what faith is.