CNN contributor Bakari Sellers: ‘Bernie 2020 died 4/4/18’

trippnface

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From https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210456696

He won't come back from this.


An explanation of why Sanders' comments about Obama were offensive to many African Americans

I am writing this in hopes of explaining, to those who will listen, why so many African Americans* found Bernie Sanders' comments about Obama this week to be deeply offensive.

I write this to help people who may not have the experience or context to see it the way we do to better understand where we're coming from. This is not an attempt to flame or pile on Sanders or "refight the primary." It is clear to me that much of the reaction to our reaction is based on ignorance, not malice and that ignorance is the result of just not having lived through the same experiences that we have and therefore, not seeing things through the same lens we do.

So please look into this lens for a moment.

African Americans in this country have been consistently held to a different standard than whites. We've had to be three times as qualified to be considered half as good as our white counterparts. In the workspace, this has been particularly apparent. And while, thanks to various civil rights laws and changes in thinking, discrimination is not as rampant as it once was, it is still much too common.

However, unlike in the past, most discrimination isn't open - it's much more subtle. And it comes, not in being told "No, you can't have this job because you're black" but with seemingly innocuous sounding judgments, such as "He's smart and nice, but he just doesn't have what it takes" and "She's really sweet and everyone likes her, but she just isn't fitting in" or "He has a great personality, but I'm just not sure he can do the job." We are frequently told how nice, how smart, how articulate we are, but we are still assumed to lack the requisite skills to perform as well as whites.

This double standard also often applies to black politicians. So, while white politicians can come in all stripes and behave pretty much however they want, say whatever they want and still be accepted, black politicians have had to walk a very fine line just to be allowed in the room. That helps to explain why George W. Bush could be a complete screw-up into his 40s but still become President of the United States. And let's not even talk about Donald Trump, the white Don King who became president in a country where the real Don King is still and always will be just a joke. Bernie Sanders is the beneficiary of this standard. It's not his fault, certainly, but that's a fact. We all know, at least if we're honest with ourselves, that if Sanders were black, he would never have been taken seriously as a national figure, much less a serious presidential contender.

Nevertheless, despite this double standard, black voters have always and loyally voted for white politicians, despite their shortcomings, even when white voters wouldn't think of voting for black candidate. We're very savvy and look at qualifications and what they're offering to us and our communities and vote accordingly. We vote for white politicians, often over black ones, if we think the white one is more qualified. In other words, in large measure, black voters don't vote race. If we did, we would have overwhelmingly supported Al Sharpton over Howard Dean and John Kerry and Ben Carson might be president today.

But then along came Barack Obama, sharp young state senator who spoke like a preacher/professor, looked like a prince and treated his wife like a queen. But did he have the goods? We watched him carefully for two years and studied him during the primaries and saw that, yes, he did indeed. He wasn't just clean and articulate. He was brilliant, he was committed, he was caring, he had great ideas and policies. He was the real deal.

And we were absolutely thrilled because the rest of America saw this, too. And we all came together and made this beautiful brother the first black President of the United States. Even then, black voters were accused by many of voting for Obama ONLY BECAUSE he was black, ignoring the fact that, unlike white voters, we had no history of basing our votes on race.

And we were SO proud of him. I remember my father, whom I had never seen cry, weeping like a baby on election night and then again during the Inauguration. I remember how proudly my family members said "PRESIDENT Obama"- never just "Obama." He was one of us. He belonged to us. We belonged to him.

Then we watched him endure 8 years of crap that no president ever had to experience and handle it with unparalleled dignity and grace. We watched white people call him stupid, a monkey, a witch doctor, incompetent, not American. And we also heard the less openly nasty dismissals - such things as "Sure he's a good talker, but ..." and "You can't deny his charisma, but he's not ...," etc. And we knew what that meant. It was a judgment, no less dismissive than the openly racist attacks, intended to undermine and diminish his qualifications and performance.

No matter what they led the sentence with, how nice the words sounded, the true meaning was found in the words following "but" - that was the dismissal, that was the backhand, that was the insult that wiped out everything that came before. And it hurt deeply.

So, when we heard Bernie Sanders say the other day that President Obama was charismatic, an energetic candidate, brilliant BUT ... and then suggest that he was responsible for - or at least didn't prevent - the Democratic Party from being a "failure" for the last 15 years, that echoed the backhanded compliments we've been hearing all of our lives. "He may be a nice guy, BUT he's just not competent ..."

His comment also - whether he intended it to or not - suggested that the election of the first black President - something of enormous meaning and importance to us - meant little. In our view, no period of time that included the election and reelection of Barack Obama - could be casually waved away as "a failure."

Again, I am not writing this to criticize Sanders or to even impute meaning into what Sanders said. I'm not accusing him of being a racist or a bigot or intentionally insulting President Obama or black voters. But his intent is not the issue.

Bernie Sanders is an important national figure whose words are listened to and matter. As such, he must be mindful, not only of what his words are intended to mean, but also of how they are HEARD by others who come from a different experience and perspective. He should understand that saying the first black president was "charismatic," "brilliant," "energetic," without mentioning any positive aspect of his PERFORMANCE and then suggesting that he did a bad job, sounds very much to us like the kinds of veiled insults we've heard all of our lives: "He may be a nice guy, BUT he really didn't do a very good job."

I don't know what Sanders actually meant to say. But I DO know what he DID say. And it was jarring to us. And that's on him, not on us. It's not our job to climb into his brain and figure out what he meant. It's HIS job to step into OUR skin to understand our experiences and perspectives and what we see and hear. At least that's what he should do if he wants to represent anyone beyond a monolithic constituency.

But rather than show us the respect of actually listening to us and considering that his choice of words were problematic, he and many others instead attacked us for being unfair to Sanders, for "misinterpreting" what he said, for being "divisive," etc. But hearing things differently than you do doesn't mean we misinterpreted anything. Everyone brings their own experiences and context to every conversation. Telling us that our experiences and context don't matter and all that is important is what Sanders meant or didn't mean to say compounds the insult and hurt and increases the divide.

If Bernie Sanders is going to continue on the national stage and hopes for future electoral success, he must do more than just say what he's thinking. He must think about how what he's saying is heard by diverse audiences, not just his own, dedicated supporters or people whose experiences in life closely mirror his.

He must do a better job of listening both BEFORE AND AFTER he speaks.

I hope this is helpful. And I hope it provokes some thoughtful, respectful conversations.

*I am not, of course, speaking for ALL African Americans since we don't all think alike. But, like many demographic groups, we have a strong consensus on many issues and, based upon my own observations and experience, I believe that my view on this is held by more than a critical mass of Black Americans.
What the fuck is this garbage?
 

trippnface

Well-Known Member
It's a tin roof.

It's over your head! :lol:


Maybe you will understand the sentiment when you mature into an adult.


:mrgreen:
Not quite.

You misunderstood ( typical ) and gave another immature age joke ( showing your ridiculous stupidity and hypocrisy )
 

Fogdog

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What the fuck is this garbage?
No, the Democratic Party isn’t ‘divided’ or in ‘disarray’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/04/05/no-the-democratic-party-isnt-divided-or-in-disarray/?utm_term=.5150c26feb34

On Wednesday, Sanders spoke at a commemoration event in Jackson, Miss., to mark the 50th anniversary of the assassination of the Rev. Martin Luther King.:

“The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure . . . People sometimes don’t see that because there was a charismatic individual named Barack Obama.”

In response, some folks revved right up to a now-familiar criticism of Sanders, namely that he always wants to subsume every issue — even the issue of racial justice, on the anniversary of King’s slaying — to economics.

We’ve already seen a fair amount of this type of coverage around the intraparty battles that have taken shape during some primaries. But this pattern is going to be less consequential than it appears. For one thing, as remarkable as the Sanders phenomenon was in 2016, if Sanders 2020 happens it will be a far more diminished force. That’s because, in 2016, he became the one real alternative to the boring, establishment, seemingly inevitable nominee, which made him fascinating and cool, especially to young people. In 2020, you will likely have a dozen Democrats running, many compelling in their own ways. Most of the people who supported Sanders last time around will peel off to other candidates.


Is this where you and other Sanders forever types tell black people and others who rightly think that Obama was a very good president what they should take from Sanders' criticism of Obama?

Bernie never was a Democrat and as demonstrated by his political ineptitude never can win the nomination of that party. The Democratic party is doing just fine. It has plenty of it's own idiots and Bernie is one of them, even if he registers as Independent but votes as a Democrat. As so many of his fevered followers do.
 

trippnface

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No, the Democratic Party isn’t ‘divided’ or in ‘disarray’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2018/04/05/no-the-democratic-party-isnt-divided-or-in-disarray/?utm_term=.5150c26feb34

On Wednesday, Sanders spoke at a commemoration event in Jackson, Miss., to mark the 50th anniversary of the assassination of the Rev. Martin Luther King.:

“The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure . . . People sometimes don’t see that because there was a charismatic individual named Barack Obama.”

In response, some folks revved right up to a now-familiar criticism of Sanders, namely that he always wants to subsume every issue — even the issue of racial justice, on the anniversary of King’s slaying — to economics.

We’ve already seen a fair amount of this type of coverage around the intraparty battles that have taken shape during some primaries. But this pattern is going to be less consequential than it appears. For one thing, as remarkable as the Sanders phenomenon was in 2016, if Sanders 2020 happens it will be a far more diminished force. That’s because, in 2016, he became the one real alternative to the boring, establishment, seemingly inevitable nominee, which made him fascinating and cool, especially to young people. In 2020, you will likely have a dozen Democrats running, many compelling in their own ways. Most of the people who supported Sanders last time around will peel off to other candidates.


Is this where you and other Sanders forever types tell black people and others who rightly think that Obama was a very good president what they should take from Sanders' criticism of Obama?

Bernie never was a Democrat and as demonstrated by his political ineptitude never can win the nomination of that party. The Democratic party is doing just fine. It has plenty of it's own idiots and Bernie is one of them, even if he registers as Independent but votes as a Democrat. As so many of his fevered followers do.

Obama was a shit President, I don't care what skin color anybody wears.

If an individual believes Obama was a good President, they are an uneducated individual that maybe is honestly attempting to do the right thing..... or they are a Neoliberal, and flat out understand Obama is republican lite, and just don't care. This doesn't even have anything to do with Sanders.

Obama is trash. Like Hillary is trash. Like Biden is trash. Does anybody remember the last election?

Bernie is clearly correct.

"Bernie never was a Democrat and as demonstrated by his political ineptitude never can win the nomination of that party. The Democratic party is doing just fine. "

..... The Democratic Party just lost to Donald Fucking Trump.

Can I refill your kool aid?

This was made for you lot

 

greg nr

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Another black voice....

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2018/apr/04/opinion-mississippi-womens-activistbernie-sanders-/

OPINION: Mississippi Women's Activist—Bernie Sanders Can't Come to the Cookout

When the run-up to the 2016 primary season started, I was so ready to feel the Bern, y'all. I wasn't a Hillary stan even though I loved her in the '90s as a young woman. What I didn't like as a feminist was being told to support her due to our shared gender without knowing her specific platforms. I was feeling Bernie.

#Yet some people can't be invited to the cookout. They just can't. They might sound like they are kinda down but then they open their mouth a few too many times, and there it is—nonsense just flows freely from their lips like water over Niagara falls. Bernie cannot come to the cookout. Sorry, not sorry.

#It is also why Bernie Sanders shouldn't come to any Martin Luther King Jr. memorial events in Jackson, such as tonight's town hall with Mayor Chokwe A. Lumumba. Sanders has no place here, certainly not as a featured speaker. Before someone thinks I'm saying this simply because he's white, that's not why. But it does inform how I came to this conclusion because his privilege as a white man (yes, I know he's Jewish) informs how he moves in the world.

#Shortly before his death, MLK launched the Poor People's Campaign, envisioning it as a multiracial coalition to combat poverty. He understood that poverty, while impacting racial groups, differently cuts across all societal groups. What MLK never did that Bernie Sanders has repeatedly done is say that class concerns override racial issues. That isn't true. The Poor People's Campaign recognized that simply in the way it was designed to work—as a coalition of voices with shared goals.

#A coalition means I can come to the table and be fully present as a black woman with needs and concerns for my community. So, too, can every other community, and we all move forward together with everyone's needs in mind. What it doesn't mean is doing what Bernie has done repeatedly—throwing people of color under the bus in order to make white voters comfortable by denouncing "identity politics" and saying that racism didn't really influence white Trump voters. It was just "economic anxiety," he tells us.

#It doesn't mean appeasing those who think abortion is icky by saying it's OK to be flexible on abortion rights. They are rights; what is there to be flexible about? There is no economic justice without racial justice and reproductive justice.

#There is also no economic justice without safe communities that have fewer guns on our streets. Most of us in Jackson, including black gun owners like myself, know that but Bernie Sanders has been iffy about gun-control measures as black families have been victims of gun violence grieving and marching for our dead loved ones for decades.

#Sanders needs to make up his mind if he's "in for a penny in for a pound" as the elders say. So far he's just playing the hokey pokey with social justice and, frankly, black people and especially black women don't need any more white so-called allies who do that.

#Martin Luther King Jr. was many things but he was never a man who was flexible about human rights. He died working for economic and racial justice. He certainly wasn't a man who didn't understand intersectionality even before we had a word for it. The Poor People's Campaign is an intersectional vision.

#Bernie Sanders' so-called "revolution" of mostly white people is not any such thing. As I write this, I am confused and insulted that our city and our mayor whom I've supported would bring this man to honor one of the most revered black leaders in our history. We're supposed to believe that Bernie Sanders has insight on the economic legacy and vision of Martin Luther King Jr. when he doesn't even understand the racism of white people and intersectionality?

#I'm not here for it.

#This town hall isn't special; they are taking the usual Bernie town hall and putting Martin Luther King's name on it. It's glaringly obvious, offensive and frankly it is just gross. This is especially true as our city is still refusing to address state-sanctioned violence in the form of a long string of police shootings since last summer with the mayor and police chief, so far, refusing to reveal the officers' identity or other specifics.

#Jackson, let's really talk about economic justice and how it's tied to reproductive justice, gender justice, disability justice, racial justice, birth justice and criminal-justice reform. Otherwise, the discussion is incomplete. Bernie Sanders isn't the person who can have that conversation. He gets no invite to the cookout, none.

#Laurie Bertram Roberts is a grassroots reproductive-justice activist, full spectrum doula and writer based in Jackson. She is the co-founder and executive director of the Mississippi Reproductive Freedom Fund.
 

Fogdog

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Obama was a shit President, I don't care what skin color anybody wears.

If an individual believes Obama was a good President, they are an uneducated individual that maybe is honestly attempting to do the right thing..... or they are a Neoliberal, and flat out understand Obama is republican lite, and just don't care. This doesn't even have anything to do with Sanders.

Obama is trash. Like Hillary is trash. Like Biden is trash. Does anybody remember the last election?

Bernie is clearly correct.

"Bernie never was a Democrat and as demonstrated by his political ineptitude never can win the nomination of that party. The Democratic party is doing just fine. "

..... The Democratic Party just lost to Donald Fucking Trump.

Can I refill your kool aid?

This was made for you lot

This is where narcissists like you who are either paid by Russia to shill for Bernie or are simply stuck in 2016 lose the narrative. Your line is that the election was stolen from Bernie and so you reject the idea that he actually lost by a whopping large margin. All of your conclusions are based upon this false conspiracy theory. You further compound your confused rhetoric by attacking the leadership and base of the Democratic Party. Obama was a good president, not great yet certainly better than any Republican president before him. A large majority of the people in the Democratic party liked him very much. Obama has many accomplishments which I'm sure you couldn't name.

Sanders, who has no significant accomplishments after 17 years in Congress, alienated a large number of people who might have been sympathetic to his policies by criticizing Obama. I don't doubt that he was sincere when he did so. Still, did he have to say the shit he said at that town hall meeting? Couldn't he have been more astute about his audience and timing for those comments? The answer is, nope, Sanders couldn't because he is not politically astute.

This all leads to my main point all along. Ever since Bernie lost the nomination in 2016, Sanders has shown no interest in building relationships and winning over the people who voted against him. How can he possibly win the nomination if he continues to attract only a minority of the vote? Simply put, Bernie is an awful politician and divisive leader. His statements on Wednesday only show his ineptitude is deeper than we could have imagined.
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Obama was a shit President, I don't care what skin color anybody wears.

If an individual believes Obama was a good President, they are an uneducated individual that maybe is honestly attempting to do the right thing..... or they are a Neoliberal, and flat out understand Obama is republican lite, and just don't care. This doesn't even have anything to do with Sanders.

Obama is trash. Like Hillary is trash. Like Biden is trash. Does anybody remember the last election?

Bernie is clearly correct.

"Bernie never was a Democrat and as demonstrated by his political ineptitude never can win the nomination of that party. The Democratic party is doing just fine. "

..... The Democratic Party just lost to Donald Fucking Trump.

Can I refill your kool aid?

This was made for you lot

Did I forget to mention that Bernie lost fair and square in 2016 to Hillary Clinton?
 
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UncleBuck

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Obama was a shit President, I don't care what skin color anybody wears.

If an individual believes Obama was a good President, they are an uneducated individual that maybe is honestly attempting to do the right thing..... or they are a Neoliberal, and flat out understand Obama is republican lite, and just don't care. This doesn't even have anything to do with Sanders.

Obama is trash. Like Hillary is trash. Like Biden is trash. Does anybody remember the last election?

Bernie is clearly correct.

"Bernie never was a Democrat and as demonstrated by his political ineptitude never can win the nomination of that party. The Democratic party is doing just fine. "

..... The Democratic Party just lost to Donald Fucking Trump.

Can I refill your kool aid?

This was made for you lot

how many rubles do you get paid to spam us with these obvious active measures?
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
Gillibrand is a fiscal conservative.

Warren has name recognition and credibility.

Whoever runs best not make the mistake of running too far to the right, else they lose.
Have you checked donor lists lately- you’ll be in for a surprise:wink:
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Welllllllll, let’s just break this down now..shall we?

Yeah, you-tube videos are soooo good at informing people.

I know you can't understand this but this is but one man's opinion and it may be a paid-for spot at that.

There are plenty of reports that say Bernie killed any hope of winning the Democratic nomination in 2020 by his stupid and tone deaf speech on Wednesday in Jackson Mississippi.

This, LOL

Bernie Sanders’ White Spokesperson Says Bakari Sellers Is Creating ‘Racial Division’
Sanders critiqued Obama and it didn't go over well.
https://atlantadailyworld.com/2018/04/06/bernie-sanders-white-spokesperson-says-bakari-sellers-is-creating-racial-division/

Because Sanders is not above critique, Bakari Sellers, who represented South Carolina’s 90th district in the lower house of the state legislature from 2006 to 2014, responded on Twitter, see below:


Bakari Sellers

✔@Bakari_Sellers


Y’all can defend Bernie all you want. On #MLK50 his lack of self awareness and arrogance in dismissing #44, is wild.
Bernie 2020 died 4/4/18. https://twitter.com/rubycramer/status/981706802990546945 …



5:59 AM - Apr 5, 2018

According to BuzzFeed, Sellers also said to “dismiss with utter arrogance and lack of self-awareness the first African African president is just the height and epitome of arrogance and lack of self-awareness.”

Bernie Sanders has been dismissive of Obama for years. He endorsed and wrote a forward for the 2016 book by Bill Press titled Buyer’s Remorse: How Obama Let Progressives Down, he slammed Obama for speaking at Wall Street — dismissing that Obama created countless reforms on Wall Street — and has repeatedly questioned Obama’s leadership. Even Hillary Clinton said in February 2016, “The kind of criticism that we’ve heard from Senator Sanders about our president, I expect from Republicans. I do not expect from someone running for the Democratic nomination to succeed President Obama.” Sellers’ critique was fair.


I know you can't understand this, BUT: Sanders' criticism of Obama pretty much means he can't win the Democratic Party's nomination in 2020.

 

schuylaar

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Let him rot in peace.....

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/04/cnn-contributor-bakari-sellers-bernie-2020-died-4-4-18/

Democratic political strategist and CNN contributor Bakari Sellers stuck a fork in Sen. Bernie Sanders’ presidential ambitions.

The Vermont independent dismissed former President Barack Obama as a charismatic lightweight during a speech in Jackson, Mississippi, on the 50th anniversary of Martin Luther King Jr.’s assassination.


“The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure,” Sanders said. “People sometimes don’t see that because there was a charismatic individual named Barack Obama. He was obviously an extraordinary candidate, brilliant guy.”

Sanders blamed Obama for the Democratic Party’s record number of legislative losses, and Sellers said that attack on the first black U.S. president on that historically significant date should doom Sanders in Democratic primaries.

https://twitter.com/Bakari_Sellers/status/981879036291973120

Y’all can defend Bernie all you want. On #MLK50 his lack of self awareness and arrogance in dismissing #44, is wild.

Bernie in Jackson, Miss.: "The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure.. People sometimes don't see that because there was a charismatic individual named Barack Obama." (1/2)​
Sanders, who eventually lost his Democratic primary race against Hillary Clinton, was criticized during his presidential campaign for a failure to connect with black voters.

Worded version so you’ll get it..

 
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