Does Veg Time make a difference? Your Opinion..

[Dear ol" Thankful Grower!]

I personally have done some side by sides with last lollipopping defoliation topping etc. I figured it would be n easy experiment to notice difference but truth be told some strains can handle more the. Others and vice versa I had plants that could handle the stress nd flourish I also had some that stunted or slowed down the growth process I now only keep certain strains for certain methods but all in all it’s all up to the grower and what they are looking for veg def helps a great yield

 

[Flowki]

@Kingrow1 is making good points. People should know that cutting the shit out of your plants, tying every limb down like some B rated snuff vid is not a good use of time and light energy > annual yield. Some people get a hard on over single plant yield and it creates misconceptions with newb growers. Those type of growers are nowhere near the annual weight of a grower doing correct plant count/veg cycle.. but newbs won't grasp that.

Even if you can only run 4 plants you don't need to veg more than 12 weeks, 7 to 8 max if not perpetual. If you are your setup/plant count is off or you are needlessly butchering your plants and reducing annual crop cycles.

 

[D_H]

It would seem it is all about nodes. If you are limited by SF than a lot of little pants will fill it with many nodes quickly. If you have unlimited space but one plant the plant will continue producing more nodes exponentially as long as the root system and light continue to provide for the new growth. I believe the question is at what point to the root system and light absorption hit diminishing returns?

 

[gwheels]

@Kingrow1 is making good points. People should know that cutting the shit out of your plants, tying every limb down like some B rated snuff vid is not a good use of time and light energy > annual yield. Some people get a hard on over single plant yield and it creates misconceptions with newb growers. Those type of growers are nowhere near the annual weight of a grower doing correct plant count/veg cycle.. but newbs won't grasp that.

Even if you can only run 4 plants you don't need to veg more than 12 weeks, 7 to 8 max if not perpetual. If you are your setup/plant count is off or you are needlessly butchering your plants and reducing annual crop cycles.

I usually go 4 weeks to a max of 6 weeks of veg. IF plant count is not a limit because of where you are or how you grow you can use mothers and do it even faster. SOG is the fastest. No one argues the point. the last 2 i have done i flipped 4 weeks after seed drop and they do ok for yield.

Open minds are awesome things.

And have at it if you are illegal. I really don't care. Grow and make stacks of cash but if everyone could grow 4 or 6 legal you would be able to move less.

In my tent i find the best is 4 topped to about 8/16 tops and let it go. It fills the canopy and no scrog to play with. But if you really wanted to nail it get 4 tents that are 4 x 4 and veg 1 plant in each and scrog that shit and you would pull quite a bit.

 

[gwheels]

Yer well you wanted legalization

Legalization is also the best thing that ever happened. I am not a commercial grower. I have kids. Taking the risk of the lawman being a DB is ... fantastic. And I will actually stick to 4 plants because I want to bust that nut and show what 4 plants can do.

If you want to illegally grow weed with kids well you are in a different league. I am not saying you do I am just saying we all have our reasons and we all adapt to the environment (or you die like a dinosaur)

If you have no kids then have at it. I will never buy California weed anyway we have the best ever grown up here. I find my grows are stellar. Better than LPs and grown with care.

 

[Hotwired]

boobies

 

[gwheels]

boobies

I love them

 

[Flowki]

I usually go 4 weeks to a max of 6 weeks of veg. IF plant count is not a limit because of where you are or how you grow you can use mothers and do it even faster. SOG is the fastest. No one argues the point. the last 2 i have done i flipped 4 weeks after seed drop and they do ok for yield.

Open minds are awesome things.

And have at it if you are illegal. I really don't care. Grow and make stacks of cash but if everyone could grow 4 or 6 legal you would be able to move less.

In my tent i find the best is 4 topped to about 8/16 tops and let it go. It fills the canopy and no scrog to play with. But if you really wanted to nail it get 4 tents that are 4 x 4 and veg 1 plant in each and scrog that shit and you would pull quite a bit.

You can use 4 plants in the same tent and scrog with at-least 3x the net fill speed. Theirs no getting away from the fact that more plants is better when starting from seed/mothers in back to back single room growing cycles. If your legal growing space can run 4 plants but you choose to run 2, you are losing weight annually due to longer required veg times on less plants. A 4x4 area is a 4x4 area, it will yield much the same if you are dialed in with a decent growing style. Get 1 pound every 3 month out of that area with more plants/quicker veg or get 1 pound every 4 month with less plants/slower veg. That's what it comes down to. If you have very small space then 4 plants is not an option, that's something entirely different.

If on a 2 room flower>veg perpetual using cuttings of cuttings the flower room duration dictates propagation/veg room duration. The optimal plant count is defined by the strain flower time>veg time, but includes things like strain height. You would not see much difference in yield by doing mother>sog in that situation as you are still limited to the dictated veg duration (at-least 8 weeks) where less plant count can catch up in covering the foot print. The only difference is, the lower plant count will take longer using more veg light/environment control W to attain similar yield as sog. You still need to run the optimal plant count even in the ''less plants'' option. If the optimal plant count for your ''less plants'' perpetual happens to be 8 but you run 4, you will yield less per cycle due to a less optimal canopy. The optimal in that example depends on many things. Soil growers for example may find that 6 to 8 is the optimal number due to slower growth rates. Coco growers will find it closer to 4.

 

[gwheels]

I am working on the sweet spot myself and I find 4 in a 4 x 4 is right on. I just have to put the right lighting in it to make it work. I might put all 4 in there with a 315 and 2 x 100 vero. The heat can be manageable at that wattage. No AC required.

 

[Lucky Luke]

I oppose anything but underground and the blackmarket trade, only there is it free with no control.

The second someone limits my plant count i find it very anti what marijuana has stood for the last forty years.... sellout much pussy!

Why do you only grow 4 plants then? #3. That's not much of a SOG.

 

[Flowki]

I am working on the sweet spot myself and I find 4 in a 4 x 4 is right on. I just have to put the right lighting in it to make it work. I might put all 4 in there with a 315 and 2 x 100 vero. The heat can be manageable at that wattage. No AC required.

Yeah 4 to 6 in 4X4 will be common for most soil/coco perpetuals I'd bet.

 

[whitebb2727]

I used to think that since longer veg time makes for bigger plants then that equates to a bigger yield but this is not necessarily true; well not indoors anyway. I've switched over to doing more SOG style grows recently and find that yield has a lot to do with wattage.
It's possible to overveg your plants and I realize this is what I've been doing for years. Electric lighting can only reach so far. The idea is to fill your available grow space with as much densely packed plant material as possible; it doesn't matter if you've got 2 plants that have been vegging for months or 8 plants you flipped 4 weeks from seedling stage. You can still end up with the same yield. You can grow a 12" plant that has the same size cola buds as a 3 footer. Maybe there are not as many of them but the cola buds are comparably the same size.
Plant structure is the other factor governing yield besides wattage. A lotta noobs overlook their lighting in early veg which results in lanky ass plants later on. A T5,T8, or 400w MH work best IMO. A short flat plant with several colas and tight nodal branching will yield a lot more than a tall stretchy plant will a single top. Vegging longer doesn't make bigger yields if theres too much space in between branches. Topping in an of itself doesn't make more buds either unless the branches develop tight nodal areas where all the pistils grow together and eventually become one mass.

Ill agree. I noticed with the t5 i was running I got better plants when I popped seeds straight under 432 watts instead of using a couple of the bulbs at a time as the ant got bigger. I got faster growth under full power.

I thought full power was too strong then go to thinking seedlings garden to the sun.

 

[whitebb2727]

He probably a helper at a farm and thinks that he is the shit...LMAO

Lol. Most likely.

 

[Tx-Peanutt]

Lol. Most likely.

Yeah u can’t get no S.O.G off three or four plants..

 

[Offcenter]

Good thread, I'm taking notes.

I tried 4 in a 4x4 first, then I did 6, I am up to 9. total shit show, diff strains and grow styles but the canopy is pretty full, and somewhat even.

I guess it is pretty clear, if you veg one plant longer it will produce more.

Play on rock n roll children

 

[Flowki]

Good thread, I'm taking notes.

I guess it is pretty clear, if you veg one plant longer it will produce more.

You've took the wrong notes ^^.

Indoor, the time it takes to finish veg with 1 plant in a 4x4 capable of getting ''about a pound'' a person using more plants will be around half way through flower and will also get ''about a pound''. Single plant weight is something 420blaze kids brag about, while real growers are laughing themselves to sleep with around 3x the annual dry weight from ''small plants'' and more cycles.

Plant size does not = weight. The canopy area and efficiency has a bigger role in that, achieving that filled efficient canopy is quicker with more plants allowing you to flower much sooner. That's the only notes you need, then apply it best you can to your setup/limitations.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

SOG is the most efficient way to produce weight in a given amount of time out of a given area.
some people cannot grow a SOG, they are worried about plant limits, or have other concerns.
i think in that case, a slightly longer veg time might help them a little, but it has a rapidly diminishing return. you have to take into consideration how much room you have in your flowering area to begin with, and how deep your light will penetrate. not a lot of point in growing a huge tree if you can only fit one at a time in your tent. also no point in growing 6 foot trees if your light only penetrates 3 feet.
people seem to be purposely missing the point. no one asked about sog, they asked if it was worth it to veg longer. the answer is "it depends"...not a tirade about sog, when that was never the question

 

[Offcenter]

OK Flowbee,

Or is it Jorge, or Ed, well whoever you are, I will only learn from you from now on. Can't learn anything reading a bunch of posts from loser noobs, right?

bye

 

[Peaceful Smoker Of Weed]

Very interesting views; as I have this OCD to veg for at least 4 months I get trees.

Last years plant, now this is my own genetics and I grew her inside from march to may then out her out and she flowered in August.

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She was beautiful, she got ripped along with 3 of my other beautiful heavy yield plants that needed a few more weeks so they didn't even harvest them at full potential.. anger lol

Very nice! looks great!

 

[Offcenter]

Right Roger! the internet is great, but its got "people" pissing all over themselves and each other. Most of the time missing the point of the op completely.

Who's winning if everybody smells like piss.?