Blacks are Responsible for More Than 50% of All Homicides...

907cannabis

907cannabis

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The problem with the world isn't blind racism, it's the pure hatred bred by people who believe that they know the way and nobody else does. I'm not scared to question things, this gets you angry I can tell, this doesn't mean I'm racist.

I did my research, I seen that the guy wasn't fit for the job for sure. Thanks for pointing it out.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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907cannabis said:
I'm not saying it's true, I think it's interesting, more or less media and movies throughout our lives lead us to believe a lot of this stuff, by the way it's nice to have someone do some research for me thanks.

I was litterally reading about the priori argument after I sent that, the writer arguing against it even says it's a very convincing argument.

My mind tells me it's society and culture/influence that causes reoccuring violence, the income inequality, lack of good people promoting good teaching.

I think we evolve in different ways depending on where we are in the world, and our behaviors evolve differently depending on what's considered normal locally.

Im sure we all have a similar average capacity for intelegence, I like the semantics scholar pdf you provided it has a lot of great information.
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he doesn't say it is a convincing argument, klansman
 
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PCXV

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907cannabis said:
The problem with the world isn't blind racism, it's the pure hatred bred by people who believe that they know the way and nobody else does. I'm not scared to question things, this gets you angry I can tell, this doesn't mean I'm racist.

I did my research, I seen that the guy wasn't fit for the job for sure. Thanks for pointing it out.
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Do you see any merit in Rushton's argument after reading the rebuttals linked and ones made here?
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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907cannabis said:
This is fucked up tho if u think about it, by law parents can consent for their 16 year olds in some states. The law basically gives them the second half of power over their sexual life untill they are 18.

These laws are dumb and should be set federally not by state.
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So you prefer uniformity of tyranny by a larger authority rather than the sporadic tyranny of the several states?
 
907cannabis

907cannabis

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Fogdog said:
he doesn't say it is a convincing argument, klansman
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Lol are you crying?


"It must be admitted at once that this argument has a convincing ring about it. Those who would argue against a genetic interpretation of race differences seem to be defeated before they fire their first shot"

You don't even read your own references?

Hahahaha klansman, you think you're so much better than everyone.
 
907cannabis

907cannabis

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Anyone notice when fogdog gets mad he forgets to use punctuation and grammar. The inner UncleBuck comes out and his true self is revealed.

No seriously though, look at their posts, they never post within the same minute and neither does Justintime lol. All this talk about extra accounts has me laughing picturing this guy scrambling to keep up on his many profiles.

I'm pretty sure you have a way to tell if I am so go ask your buddy if you need to. I only have one acct here and I only have ever had one acct here. Thanks for the laugh though.

Also thanks for that article and discussion, I found it quite convincing.

One thing I thought of while reading all of this, this shit is ingrained into our heads at a very young age, remember Scar from The Lion King? The darker evil lion that was outcasted. This shit is unknowingly forced on people, good for pointing it out, bad for condemning people that read shit.
 
Fogdog

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907cannabis said:
Lol are you crying?


"It must be admitted at once that this argument has a convincing ring about it. Those who would argue against a genetic interpretation of race differences seem to be defeated before they fire their first shot"

You don't even read your own references?

Hahahaha klansman, you think you're so much better than everyone.
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LOL, whose crying, klansman. Best of all, you demonstrated to all here you can't read through your race biased lens.

I'm not going to be a foil for a committed racist to spew the devils lies about race. I also have become convinced through dialogue here that racists, gun nuts, climate science deniers and other true believers of right wing falsehoods have to change themselves. So, I'm pretty much done with you. Don't bother.

I do look forward to your weak sniveling ad hominem comments directed at me. Please, go on.

907cannabis said:
Anyone notice when fogdog gets mad he forgets to use punctuation and grammar. The inner UncleBuck comes out and his true self is revealed.

No seriously though, look at their posts, they never post within the same minute and neither does Justintime lol. All this talk about extra accounts has me laughing picturing this guy scrambling to keep up on his many profiles.

I'm pretty sure you have a way to tell if I am so go ask your buddy if you need to. I only have one acct here and I only have ever had one acct here. Thanks for the laugh though.

Also thanks for that article and discussion, I found it quite convincing.

One thing I thought of while reading all of this, this shit is ingrained into our heads at a very young age, remember Scar from The Lion King? The darker evil lion that was outcasted. This shit is unknowingly forced on people, good for pointing it out, bad for condemning people that read shit.
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MichiganMedGrower

MichiganMedGrower

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907cannabis said:
Anyone notice when fogdog gets mad he forgets to use punctuation and grammar. The inner UncleBuck comes out and his true self is revealed.

No seriously though, look at their posts, they never post within the same minute and neither does Justintime lol. All this talk about extra accounts has me laughing picturing this guy scrambling to keep up on his many profiles.

I'm pretty sure you have a way to tell if I am so go ask your buddy if you need to. I only have one acct here and I only have ever had one acct here. Thanks for the laugh though.

Also thanks for that article and discussion, I found it quite convincing.

One thing I thought of while reading all of this, this shit is ingrained into our heads at a very young age, remember Scar from The Lion King? The darker evil lion that was outcasted. This shit is unknowingly forced on people, good for pointing it out, bad for condemning people that read shit.
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I have noticed fogdog is buck is fogdog is buck

And just in case is his admitted sock for the loss of the trump election bet.
 
907cannabis

907cannabis

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Lol, this is messed up. We have people here blindly pointing fingers accusing people of racism, then they recommend to kill all racist whites. This is Hitler rhetoric, line them up and murder them cause we think they are racist, they think differently than we do.

No judging of individual character based on skin color or race happened here, care to read any posts of mine? I only insisted there could be differences in our brains, to point that out as racism is your only way out of even discussing the topic. The fact that you would like to dismiss it alone speaks volumes on your character. (Guilty conscious) I think Caucasians can handle alcohol better than Native Americans from observation, does this make me racist to you?

A big part of my family is Native American, every one of them can not handle alcohol, it triggers behavioral problems much easier in them than the rest of my family, there are dry communities here in Alaska because they can't handle alcohol.

This is a difference in the way your brain works, likely genetic, and not a discrimination or racist statement.

This doesn't mean I judge my family for it, it's just my opinion from what I see and it's most of theirs too. I love my sister no matter the color of her skin. I am not a racist. She just can't handle the sauce.

Sensitivity to blind stereotyping needs to stop, when you cry and call names over this shit it doesn't help.

Go combat real racism, the people that think their race is superior not the people that consider we could be a little different depending on our ancestry.
 
Fogdog

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907cannabis said:
https://medium.com/neodotlife/intelligence-genes-eb18c5ef759c

Is this racist or fair science?

Or do you just consider me racist for questioning.
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I consider you racist.

Rushtin's 20 minute opening statement regarding his theory of genetic inferiority of black people was shredded in four minutes by David Suzuki. Because you didn't get it the first time, I doubt you will the second, however here you go.



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You want to talk about things you (nor I) know little about. Alright but do some homework, don't make me do it all. Also, go to original sources, not that strange goulash of excerpts from who knows where that you posted earlier.

This is why I come here. I occasionally encounter a question that is hard to answer. The very question does raise emotions because the harm that racism causes is not hypothetical to black (or Hispanic) people, the effect of racism in the US is very real. Rushton's book about racial difference purports to embrace the belief in genetic differences explain why (in his conclusion) blacks are more violent and less smart. For example, Rushton compares brain size to IQ and uses racial grouping to show how IQ and brain size tracks with race Black brain size & IQ < Caucasian < Asian. He does a lot of other studies or meta-studies like this to arrive at his claim that genetics explain about half of all differences between racial groups. Basically he give racists the justification for claiming inferiority of Black people. Does his work have any merit?

There isn't much out there available for free to read. Here is a link to one paper: http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Suzuki-Aronson-commentary-on-30years.pdf . Suggest you open it up and try to read it. How long did you read before you went cross-eyed trying to follow the jargon?

How about this quote from the article: it should be noted that skin color and other phenotypic markers are only grossly related to race (Cohen, 2002). Therefore, the associations made by Rushton and Jensen (2005) between race and IQ are questionable.

Translation: The basic premise of a Black race in a genetic sense is vague in the first place. Linking the inaccurate concept IQ score to the vague concept of a black race is fake science.

Here is another paper that refutes the conclusion that race and IQ are linked: https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8308/b9f55f341316dd47c3fdc569dc2a87e42daa.pdf

It too is practically impenetrable to the merely interested reader.

So, lets go to the source.

The above video is a debate where Rushtin lays out his theory 12:20 - 33:30. Here, you can get his argument from his very mouth. His body of work relies on metadata from various other studies that sum up to conclude that IQ of black people is lower than that of white people in large part is due to genetic difference. Please note that none of his work involved genes, it was just physical measurements and IQ tests.

In rebuttal, David Suzuki, a geneticist rebuts the article. He pretty much lays out the rebuttal to Rushtin here: 41:50 - 44:36 There is a lot more discussion but this is the nut of the rebuttal

The key point is: Such a set of studies that Rushtin used cannot prove a genetic basis for explaining the differences. This was a conclusion from an international association of geneticist researchers. The main problem with IQ testing is that it is impossible to exclude non-genetic factors like environment, racism, education on IQ scores comparing black and white test subjects.

Finally, look at the source of funding for much of the analytics used by Rushtin. The Pioneer Fund which the Southern Poverty Law Center labels as a "hate group", and which which many many prominent researchers label as "an organization solely designed to fund racism."

At root and reason for why this debate never ends is the fact that science is sloppy and never meets the expectations of the general population to provide clear answers. What racists like Rushtin does is make an unsubstantiated claim as being true beyond question. If the debate had stayed in the realm of science, he would have been required to prove his claim. But no. What happened is that Rushtin's claim is embraced by racist people and organizations to justify ending civil rights laws. Rushtin himself embraced that outcome. This leaves people like Suzuki in the odorous position of trying to prove Rushtin is wrong. Proving a negative is impossible and so the debate goes on.
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The theory of genetic inferiority of black people was not proven by Rushtin and his theory was discredited by real geneticists, Nonetheless, his klansman (or is it klanman, IDK) backers sucked up the theory and spewed it out their propaganda machine thirty years ago. Still, here you are regurgitating the fake science as if it deserves consideration. It does not. Nor does the false theory of racism offer any solutions.

Now about the vile effects of racism and what it does to the people on the receiving end of it. Terrible. Shortened lives, miscarriage, endless wage disparity, job opportunity forever closed, unequal education opportunity and so forth. So, no. I will not debate you on this topic because David Suzuki already said it better than I. Racism is real although there is no justification for it and it's effects go on and on.
 
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