I believe in change.... I've seen it in many ways. To not believe in change is the way of the conservative is it not?
I do agree that when presented with facts and evidence it becomes quite annoying but I don't agree with just resorting to name calling it's childish and trump like, we need to show people liberals don't take no shit yea but let's show them we can also stay sane in an argument. There are middle ground points here that people are being insulted for bringing up a lot.
I'd like to see change... It's almost like buck has backed off the name calling a bit already, maybe I'm just dreaming though lol.
I like this place, I can handle the name calling it doesn't hurt me, it fuels me to try and help more.
I'm not criticizing you for trying. I don't really care if you want to call out Buck, he's a big boy. I just think there is something to be said about making vile people feel uncomfortable for saying vile things. Social pressure on racists and shithead gun rights conservatives is just fine with me. I don't think it affects them one way or the other except it might just make them think twice about what they are saying.
My thing is to counter propaganda. These guys didn't make their schtick up. They repeat the lies of the NRA, Rush Limbaugh, Trump and Breitbart. Studies have shown that repeating well couched lies and distortions, aka propaganda, over and over again does have an effect on public opinion. When counter arguments are presented, propaganda becomes ineffective. This is the benefit I see from you, Buck and others presenting counter-arguments. Maybe you don't like the harshness that some employ. I still don't think its hurtful and to me sometimes I think Buck art form of trolling is funny.
I basically don't think vile racists and right wing gun nuts deserve consideration. I try to stick to facts but otherwise don't care about their feelz any more than they do for the people they harm. Let's make no mistake. The right wing racist and gun lobby are harming people. My words not so much.
I think we mostly agree on this issue. I applaud your advocacy of locking those guns up, by the way.